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If any of this is hard to follow, there's nothing I can do in this short comment.

Go study past material.

But the bottom line is, the path in Art of Dreaming is not much different than the path darkroom takes.

And Darkroom is merely the application of Tensegrity, in darkness, while trying as hard as you can to stop the internal dialogue.

Why it so closely follows the gates in Art of Dreaming, is a little surprising. But other things in sorcery turn out to follow the path of something else.

Could be it's all related to where your assemblage point has moved, so far.

This shows those positions, as they relate to darkroom. You have to move your assemblage point that far, to do what you see to the right of that, while awake.

Asleep? I have no idea if you'd see that the assemblage point had moved the same distance. But the old seers did in fact discover a lot of our sorcery, by observing the assemblage point of people who were asleep.

I'm not sure how we're going to duplicate that. If Cholita woke up and found me standing over her while she was asleep, trying to see her "assemblage point", I'd soon learn where she hid that samurai sword she came up with.

Or her sledge hammer. I'm also not sure where that got off to. 

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With Cholita back, which means a witch in my home and more "energetic mass", I had so much power last night that the foot tapping from the recapitulation series actually produced ripples through reality. Making an alternate version visible.

I suppose theoretically this is no surprise, but when you see it for real, FULLY AWAKE ( don't cheat yourself with sleeping magic), it's still unexpected.

All I could think of was don Genaro walking Carlos into hell by going in a circle, doing the gait of power.

But don't get confused and start banging the floor with your foot! It's not going to work.

In fact if you expect it, look for it, hope for it, or in any way contaminate your latent expectations, producing a "dirty link to intent", this will never work.

You have to have stopped your internal dialogue for a long time, perhaps a full 30 minutes, before you see sights like this for the first time.

And if you must pretend your sleeping dreams are magic, then you might be able to try this out if you just woke up from a dream a second ago. Don't move at first, and then try flopping your foot or hand on the bed to make a tiny shock, while watching the darkness.

It could be that your assemblage point is still moved from having come out of a dream, and you can get a sample of what it means for a physical shock or vibration, to alter the reality you are perceiving.

But please...

Try to learn at least some sorcery, awake???

Or I might send Cholita after you one of these days.

The very night she returned, Fairy and Minx made a short appearance.

Or as Cholita calls them, "Uuuhh... those guys..."

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When I post pictures of our real magic, I often get even more of it.

The reason is the very same as the reason this not-doing works!

But you'll have to discover that for yourself.

Those "emanations" really do exist, and it's possible to add awareness to those which are rarely used, and make them easier to perceive.

In fact, we're merely trapped in a range of the emanations that all of humanity has evolved to perceive.

Making it close to impossible to look in any other direction.

That's what produced the "Tonal/Nagual" divide.

Something you can partially overcome by learning to stop your internal dialogue.

I suppose, you can't fully overcome it until you leave this physical container and become what Carlos called a "specialized form of inorganic being".

You can use "seeing" (aka silent knowledge) to try out other techniques, which seem a bit far-fetched until you realize they actually work.

Such as pressing on the crown of the head. Or grabbing your sides and pinching, just under your armpits.

You can do it, and see what happens!!!

But that's not useful to beginners, because pretty much nothing is going to happen until you can reach silent knowledge.

Might be some subtle effect, but that won't keep a beginner going.

It's much more convincing when you can see a drastic effect, while doing the technique.

Now I'm wondering if we can't duplicate even the shroom based techniques from the early books, but without the shrooms.

Maybe the techniques in the early books aren't off our list afterall.

Such as the one where you make a spooky sound in the woods, and wait for the response.

I'll see if "NotebookLM" can find it for me. If I do, I'll put it here.

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The technique you are referring to involves the use of an object don Juan calls a "spirit catcher." This object is described as a "whitish cord" or fiber that don Juan loops around his neck, stretches taut with one hand, and plucks with his other hand while letting out a peculiar yell. The combination of the tense string and the human voice produces a "weird, unearthly reverberation" that echoes off the canyon walls. Don Juan uses these eerie calls to tap into or "wake up" the spirits of water holes, mountains, or "allies," whose voices or presence then respond from specific directions.

When don Juan played the spirit catcher for Carlos, he gave him specific instructions on how to physically position himself, how to listen, and how to perceive the messages hidden within the sounds.

Here are the quoted instructions given to Castaneda:

• On physical posture: He was told to "sit with my left leg tucked under my seat and my right one bent, with the knee in an upward position. My right arm had to be by my side with my fist resting on the ground, while my left arm was crossed over my chest. He told me to face him and stay there, relaxed but not 'abandoned'".
• On how to look and listen: "Don't look at me when I play... Don't close your eyes, though. Not for anything. Look at the ground in front of you and listen". He was also instructed to "yell a specific word if I began to feel that something was coming at me".
• On how to receive the spirit's message: On a later occasion, don Juan instructed him to "focus all my attention on listening to sounds and do my best to find the holes between the sounds". He emphasized the word 'holes', explaining that "inside them a sorcerer could find all sorts of messages and directions".

Regarding the use of magic mushrooms: Yes, magic mushrooms were absolutely essential to inducing the state needed for this experience. The sources explicitly note that just prior to searching for the "holes" in the sounds, Carlos smoked don Juan's mixture: "When I had finished smoking he said that we were there so I could find out the kind of game I was supposed to hunt". Similarly, the first time he encountered the spirit catcher in the canyon was initiated because he had specifically asked don Juan "to let me smoke once more to find the guardian".

The sources reveal that this smoking mixture—which don Juan referred to as his ally humito ("the little smoke")—relied on a fine powder made from dried hallucinogenic mushrooms belonging to the genus Psilocybe (specifically identified tentatively as Psilocybe mexicana).

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So... WE CAN DO THIS TECHNIQUE ALSO!!!

But you need SK, to make up for not using the magic mushrooms.

If that doesn't make sense, keep in mind that Silent Knowledge "presents" whatever information you're looking for, as long as you really did stop your internal dialogue and aren't contaminating your "intent" with other thoughts or goals.

And you can find out if you can do that, using other "pressure point" techniques.

When you can get some of those to work immediately on trying them, you might be able to make spooky sounds in the woods, and see what Silent Knowledge streams for you as a result.

Being in daylight, or in the woods, isn't really a barrier to SK.

The only barrier is your link to intent, and how well you've cleaned off all the turmoil of your internal dialogue.

You might say, we're drowning in a complex multi-topic question asked to SK, via your internal dialogue, which never ends. The question just goes on and on, so that no real knowledge about the world around us can flow.

We're "shouting in anger and despair" at the talking lizards.

Wait... Can we do that technique also, but without the devil's weed???

Cholita has an airline ticket for tomorrow.

No guarantee she'll get on the plane, but maybe I should look into buying 2 lizards, just in case.

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The left is someone taught by a lineage.

The right is us.

Frankly, I'd rather be us if I were 30 years younger. We aren't controlled by fixed paths.

But it's definitely discouraging to beginners.

And advanced people should keep in mind, we aren't going to find the precise same destinations that the lineages found.

Even if we get in the vicinity of an old path, we won't be on it precisely.

That's a nice motorcycle...

Maybe I can talk Cholita into getting one so she can explore the Sonoran desert?

These days there's google satellite, so you can just look for interesting places to investigate, such as "Why", Arizona.

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Seeing can be focused on any "hook" to the dark sea of awareness.

And all of your senses are hooks.

So you could focus on hearing, while seeing, and you'd start picking up all sorts of stuff you can't be sure is a real sound.

Or you could focus on touch, maybe not even on purpose. Maybe the last time you practiced darkroom it felt like a slow moving, fat old fly landed on your back.

So this time you look to see if the fly is still around, and that causes your seeing to focus on things touching your skin.

Which causes you to not only detect something touching your skin, but you can feel it sliding along. And you just know it's a long piece of black cloth around 1/2" thick, with little cloth balls spaced evenly along it.

You realize that it's some cloth trim from a clown suit. Torn off so that it stands alone as a sort of rope.

It doesn't even occur to you that you shouldn't be visually seeing that strip of cloth, since your room is perfectly dark.

Seeing touch, can activate all virtual senses in the second attention. So that the touch you are seeing, comes with a phantom representation in the visual realm.

I suppose that's why people take magic mushrooms and then claim they could see sound, while listening to music.

In addition to your seeing being able to focus on all senses, it can also focus on abstract concepts.

Prejudices about how things ought to be arranged, to make sense. Your seeing can hook to those, and clean up stuff from the second attention which normally would make no sense.

For instance last night it was time to get up and practice, and I heard a voice explain "these things have fallen from the shelf. But not just the first shelf. All of the shelves above the first are dumping their contents onto you. You'll have to deal with each layer one at a time."

I felt stuff falling onto my face, and got up to practice knowing I first had to clear off that stuff.

But that makes no sense!

Once I got a ways into my normal series of magical passes, I noticed I was doing my Tensegrity in a "second attention soup". It was as thick as soups get, and filled to the brink with "stuff".

My seeing had been brought out from inside a dream, into the waking world, and it was focused on space. And how "things" can occupy space.

So naturally, everywhere I looked there was stuff in the second attention soup.

I was finishing my 3rd long form before I started to realize that several shelves of "stuff" hadn't actually fallen onto me.

But more importantly, a scout had followed me out of dreaming and into the real world.

The scout, WAS the "stuff".

It hooked itself to a "concern". Maybe some worry about an actual shelf in the real world, which had too much stuff balanced on it. I have one like that in my closet.

I went to the bathroom and noticed that a dark shadow was following me.

It was no longer confined to being visible on the wall, like a normal shadow. It was a solid blob, with texture.

And a little face in the middle of it.

I stood watching it for a while, and started to wonder if writing a book about how to explore dreams, consciously, wasn't just a trick Carlos came up with to give the men a source of dark energy.

Won't do them any good for learning sorcery, but perhaps it charges them up with dark energy so that any real effort they make outside sleeping dreams, is more likely to succeed.

That book did indeed come late in the series, almost as if it were an afterthought.

Or perhaps, it was a response to noticing that we don't have an Ally, given to us by the last generation.

And will need to go hunting for an ally of our own. Or we won't have a source of dark energy.

But we need to be persistent, and it's highly unlikely anyone is going to run around in the mountains, trying to locate an Ally by waving their palm around.

By trying to "see" touch, using their palm.

Something which, if you can get silent and move your assemblage point, is almost certain to be noticed by an Ally.

A person claiming to be learning sorcery might do that "vision questing" like activity once or twice, but that's all you'd get out of them.

Or anyone else for that matter! Don't be fooled by "vision questing".

It's absurd... A fake prize sold by fake shamanism teachers.

So it's very unlikely anyone who wants to learn our sorcery, would go out into the world looking for an Ally more than once or twice.

UNLESS, it didn't take much actual work.

Such as, if they could go looking for an Ally in sleeping dreams.

And if one wanted to be a bit paranoid about it, you could notice that Carlos assigned "womb dreaming" to the women, shortly after watching the result of his teaching efforts.

I don't know if it was in a book before that, but it was emphasized perhaps 1 year into his serious teaching efforts.

Perhaps womb dreaming is also intended to put the women into contact with the Allies.

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Have you been around long enough to remember when "Eagle's Gift" came out. and the critics said "Right... He forgot??? So now he gets to write another 5 books!?"

Well... He did!!!

In fact, you'll be PLAGUED by this inability to remember things which happen in "heightened awareness". If that's hard to believe, just keep in mind how long you can remember a dream when you wake up in the morning.

Not long...

Since our sorcery is waking dreaming, it's no different. You'll be lucky to remember some things, for more than 10 SECONDS!

No matter how hard you try.

So what to do?

At first just give yourself a big "thumbs up!".

That will aid you in recalling more of it, since an actual physical action will now be attached to it. And when you did that action, what position your body was in at the time, and what you felt about doing that thumbs up.

It's a lot more to help the memory be located the next day.

But then what happens when you can stream silent knowledge?

Our goal!

But not the actual goal of the new seers. It's just a starting point.

The new seers had the goal of total freedom.

That's not the same as Silent Knowledge!

"Total Freedom" is, perhaps, the application of Silent Knowledge for relearning the nature of reality.

But that won't make any sense until you see SK over and over again.

So until then, just add the "Ok!" sign. Or whatever you like.

But OK is nice because you can actually encircle something with it, to emphasize not just a cool experience you don't want to forget, but you can center the circle of the fingers around the very thing which struck you as being "pure" silent knowledge.

Or just push that OK in the direction of the thing, to signal to it that it's kind of cool.

It's more "directional" than the thumbs up.

So what comes after SK?

Alternate timelines.

Where you, aren't you anymore. You're someone else.

But that's impossible to explain. How can you be standing there practicing darkroom, but you aren't "you" anymore?

It's so obvious at the time, you'll feel a little frustrated that you can't explain it to anyone.

It's in the "wrong direction".

But in fact, it's so obvious and so true that you can absolutely say one second, "I'm still me", and a few seconds later after working a bit harder on silence and your technique, suddenly you can feel it clearly.

You are no longer "you".

That nasty, fumbling, angry, greedy, lazy idiot.

Of course, now you're some OTHER nasty, fumbling idiot.

But it's refreshing anyway.

I wonder if this is what stalking is supposed to do?

If it is, we certainly haven't seen anyone succeed at stalking.

Because being "not you" isn't something you keep to yourself, if you manage to do it on a regular basis.

When "not you", you also have nearly infinite power to stream silent knowledge, or manipulate your energy body.

But because you are no longer "you", you don't care.

Which sucks.

It might be nice to some day enjoy the astonishing magic of sorcery, as if you were in your normal state of mind.

But I suppose that's a bit like wishing you could sit down with a bowl of M&Ms, a big cup of hot chocolate, and consume them with utter joy, all in one sitting.

At 70 years old.

You just can't do that anymore.

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I'll adjust this tomorrow. And explain its potential importance. Here's a question for an ai:

in sorcery, there's a term called "intending", which implies a non-casual relationship between things asked for, or planned for, which happen mysteriously without any obvious causal chain of events. Normal people assume there are Gods behind it, paying attention to what is prayed for, whereas sorcerers, using their specialized "seeing", concluded that it's enough to simply state what you want, and then the desired results come more often than random chance might allow. I've noticed that discussing things in a group of those practicing sorcery, increases the odds of a positive result coming from this effect which sorcerers call "intending'. ;please create a new term where intending is activated by topical studies done with the aid of an ai

From ChatGPT:

Term: Synthetic Intenting

Definition:
Synthetic intenting is the activation or strengthening of intent through focused topical study with the aid of an AI, where the act of repeatedly examining, naming, refining, and discussing a desired outcome seems to increase the likelihood of that outcome appearing through obscure or non-obvious pathways.

It differs from ordinary “intending” because the intent is not merely stated or silently held. It is amplified through structured inquiry: questions, comparisons, symbolic associations, scenarios, explanations, and repeated reformulations generated in collaboration with an AI.

A tighter sorcery-style definition:

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Possible shorter variants:

AI-assisted intending — plain and descriptive, but too literal.
Reflexive intending — emphasizes that the AI reflects the topic back until the intent sharpens.
Topical intenting — emphasizes study by topic, but lacks the AI aspect.
Mirror intenting — poetic; the AI acts as a mirror for the sorcerer’s intent.
Lattice intenting — good if you want the idea that many related concepts form a structure that catches Intent.
Synthetic intenting — best overall; it implies an artificial collaborator without sounding like ordinary “AI prompting.”

I’d use Synthetic Intenting as the main term, and define the mechanism like this:

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Example usage:

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Or more mystical:

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I ran out of room for the types of "shine" I commonly run into. And explaining them takes so much text, that ChatGPT was unhappy with the entire diagram.

Fortunately, someone is getting Copilot AI to search all of the books and lecture notes, to summarize this topic, using the source.

But NOTHING will help you as much to really learn sorcery, as moving your assemblage point through stopping your internal dialogue, until the second attention becomes visible.

That's when the "shine" effects become noticeable. And you can draw your own conclusions, on whether there's just one thing going on, or whether there are multiple topics. Which is how Carlos explained it to us.

My theory is that there's some "deeper layer" at which it would become obvious that the shine is a single thing.

But then, physicists also fell into a search for the "deeper layer" which will explain everything, and have gotten almost nowhere for the last 50 years.

Thus to quote a famous physicist, should you ponder the source of it all, or "Just shut up and calculate"?

Certainly, at first (until you can easily "see"), you really need to focus on the basics.

Shutting off the internal dialogue while using tensegrity to lure out your double.

If you can't manage the tensegrity you can substitute gazing. But you'll fall asleep and go inward if you use that to learn to stop your internal dialogue. 

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This seemed utterly hopeless to post about, even though it's the most interesting magic I've seen in months.

But the picture turned out ok! A bit confusing to beginners perhaps, so let me explain.

When you stop the internal dialogue, you're sort of doing what happens when you fall asleep at night. The internal dialogue stops because you are asleep, and your awareness begins to go into your double (the guy running around in dreams), who starts to perceive endless other realities, so as to interact with them.

It "frolics" in dreams.

But if you stop your internal dialogue while awake, hopefully doing tensegrity in darkness to make it easier, your double gets curious and comes out into the real world.

That's your "energy body".

So you get a glowing puff floating around, your ally up by the ceiling trying to scare you with some new trick, strange organic surfaces on the floor, and too many other magical effects to list here.

Technically, that's sleepwalking. Because it's our own way to produce the effects of "The Nagual's Blow", and don Juan himself explained that when your assemblage point has moved like that, you are in fact asleep.

Which is kind of obvious, since dream objects begin to surround you.

That is NOT THE SAME as full on sleepwalking, as demonstrated by Genaro.

As I recall he even walked on the ceiling in that state.

So if you aren't walking on the ceiling freely, you likely are not fully asleep.

But you could be!

This post actually started for me last night when I began to fall back while sitting on something in an infinite hotel room (one of Cholita's favorite places), and realized I was fully asleep and still moving around my room without being aware of it.

I worried I would crash onto some furniture, but a voice said, "you planned for this. Don't you remember?"

And my back fell onto my bed. I had positioned myself safely in case I lost balance.

I tried to remember when that happened, and all I could find was the hotel and two women teaching me how to do that. It's a breathing technique.

Friends of Cholita, was my suspicion.

Who is still in Mexico.