u/danl999

Pandora's Box Zombie

Pandora's Box Zombie

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I made this picture to answer a question, then posted it on instagram and facebook, and finally decided more posts is better than less posts.

Though, this one might anger those with a religious bent.

Even so, here it is from facebook.

***

When it was clear he would die and nothing could stop it, also realizing that, as he told me, "I'm dying and no one believes me", Carlos proceeded to try to give us "practical magic" techniques.

He used the blue scout to demonstrate what "the whorl" looks like as it spits out text.

He enlisted Carol Tiggs to come demonstrate real magic. She selected two people, including me, and proceeded to push me through the floor of Dance home down below street level, and into a tunnel made of dirt. Which I later learned is a common way to perceive the inorganic being's world entrance.

Carlos also taught us about "the wall", a construct for visibly viewing silent knowledge streams.

And, he got his "rumour women" to spread the news that within 2 weeks, Carlos would actually demonstrate real magic right in front of us.

What came from that was "Pandora's Box" magical pass, which I've since learned is a fairly obvious way to "compress intent".

It's closely related to don Juan's technique where he manifested a Japanese squirrel for Carlos.

But no one could perceive the magic. You can't force people's assemblage points to move, and the second attention isn't visible unless it moves at least 6 inches down your back.

Cleargreen forgot about this amazing pass, and instead made up fake ones to sell.

But I remembered it, and eventually discovered that it can manifest just about anything.

Thus I named it "Pandora's Box".

The first "Zombie Assistant" I manufactured remained in my practice room, clearly visible, the entire night.

Then the next night I could "locate it" still in there.

And on the second night, I could still feel it's very creepy energy.

So this technique is a gold mine!

How does it work?

Actually, it seems to compress a piece of your own energy body, energize it, and then when you release it that partially sentient copy of your dreamer, forms into whatever latent impression you first had in your mind, when you removed the top hand.

A couple of weeks later I tested how many zombie assistants you can make, and still have them be "sentient".

Five in my case.

The energy body can't subdivide forever.

That's why people dissipate and are lost, after death.

Thus the old seers went to live in the inorganic being's world, to keep their awareness "contained".

And even the new seers go to that giant dome on the earth, after reaching the third attention.

You MUST "contain" your energy body once you are dead, or it spreads out so thin while you are exploring as a "specialized form of inorganic being", that it is no longer sentient.

So if any of you were hoping to go to "heaven" just because sorcerers have "seen" it's a real place (I've visited it 6 times), better think again.

Yes, you can go to heaven.

But it won't keep your awareness intact for long, and you'll perhaps end up being wallpaper there.

Just an echo of your original self.

Not aware of anything anymore.

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u/danl999 — 13 days ago

Applied Tensegrity???

This is the type of thing I don't normally post. Too much crazy stuff happens if you learn to move your assemblage point to the other side of your body, by stopping your internal dialogue while using Tensegrity to prove you did that. Tensegrity produces visible magic, if you are fully silent.

Note that "silent" doesn't mean you don't talk. In fact, if an entity floats by you can certainly talk to it. And that is NOT your internal dialogue.

People get very confused about what specifically the internal dialogue covers. But it can't be explained to those who don't immediately understand it. They're a bit "lost" in confusion and no amount of words will clear that up. As we've seen though the experience of tens of thousands on our social media.

Fortunately, what the internal dialogue really is becomes obvious once you make a real effort to stop it.

It's a FOREIGN INSTALLATION, just as Carlos said. It's not your friend. It does NOT help you do your job. In fact, even the world's most difficult engineering is a lot easier when you are silent.

You can even get answers to technical problems at work, to appear right in front of you as written text. Or as a "prototype" of a shape you need.

Or... You can get La Gorda's very creepy eye.

I rejected it 3 times in the past, but now it's pretending to give entry to the inorganic being's realm, where I want to go see if Julian can be rescued.

It's good to have interesting hobbies.

But some are a bit anti-social in this world of enforced perceptual limitations.

Seeing giant eyeballs tends to get you into trouble.

u/danl999 — 17 days ago

Abstract Dreaming

I've learned to stop my internal dialogue well enough to go directly into sleeping dreams, from awake. However, there's still the "barrier of forgetting your purpose".

In some ways, learning to do this is more about learning to overcome that barrier. As a skill of its own. And most likely that means, learning to focus your tonal awareness enough that it doesn't fade away once you start to fall asleep.

As you learn to do this, perhaps hoping to get offers in the form of Silent Knowledge "videos in the air" (but with your eyes closed since it's time to sleep), you'll be balancing on the edge. Between going in, and not being able to do that.

On that edge, you'll perhaps start to notice "abstract dreams". Those do in fact seem to be far more plentiful than concrete ones, once you don't automatically toss those out of your memory the instant they are not active.

One way to tell those is, you're already in them, engaged in a bizarre activity. They aren't "offered" the way "videos in the air" are. They seem to replace everything else for a while.

I was curious and used an AI to see if this makes sense, and found, as always, that what you discover by honest hard work will always match what Carlos and the witches explained to us.

Something IMPOSSIBLE to make up. When you discover something on your own, something you might not remember or even have noticed in the books, it's very convincing when you finally read, in the words of Carlos and the witches, precisely what you have discovered yourself.

But please don't be religious about it and claim "I knew that all along..."

Don't tell me you have total faith in Jesus!

Or in Guru Dev. Or in Lao Tzu. Insert your own favorite fake magic pretending here...

Come on! Don't we already get enough of that kind of pretending?

There's no way you're that confident, until you can do such amazing magic on your own, daily.

And even then, if you slack off your practice it'll all soon fade away to nothing.

That's how we got trapped in this single reality in the first place!

Here's what Gemini Notebook pulled up about this topic. Please note that it's another reminder not to pretend your results, using sleeping dreaming. People are bothered when I emphasize that, but it's more like the leader of a group hiking to a specific cave in the mountains, trying to keep people from wandering off on side paths that never lead to the cave. I understand that people have trouble finding time to practice and like to use sleeping time, but you have to work just as hard, to do that in a serious manner.

*** From Gemini Notebook looking at lecture notes and interviews ***

Carlos, Florinda, and Taisha repeatedly emphasized that as a practitioner matures, dreaming moves far beyond the early mechanical techniques—like looking at your hands or finding objects in a dream—and into the subtle, non-verbal realm of canceling the interpretation system and engaging the abstract nature of energy.

Here is what your notes record about what Carlos and the witches taught regarding this subtle side of dreaming:

  1. Dreaming as the Interruption of the Interpretive System

Carlos stressed that true dreaming isn't about navigating visual scenarios, but about suspending the learned human "glosses" or interpretation system that turns raw energy into recognizable everyday objects.

  • Carlos stated that ordinary dreams are mostly egomaniacal projections, whereas true dreaming happens when the internal self is completely cleared away. He described dreaming as "a springboard, an interruption of the interpretive system" that catapults perception when there is absolute quiet within.
  • He explained that to dream as the ancient seers did, one must dream "from silence – beyond fear," preparing the practitioner to perceive pure energy in the second attention.
  1. Discarding Dream Content as "Worthless"

While beginners often fixate on what happened in a dream, Florinda and Taisha repeatedly stated that don Juan and the sorcerers didn't care at all about the narrative content of dreams.

  • Florinda remarked point-blank during a workshop Q&A that the specific content of dreams is essentially "worthless". What actually matters is engaging the dreaming attention and controlling the movement and stabilization of the assemblage point.
  • She noted that sorcery itself is an "abstract way of life" where the practitioner's entire entity becomes as fluid and abstract as the energy filaments they are attempting to navigate.
  1. The Evolution Toward the Abstract

Taisha Abelar explained the difference between the old seers and modern practitioners:

  • She noted that ancient sorcerers often got trapped in concrete, heavy shifts of the assemblage point—like physically transforming into animals or getting lost in dense lower worlds.
  • Modern sorcerers in don Juan's lineage, by contrast, are engaged in an "evolution towards the abstract". The goal is to move past concrete forms altogether, using reason and discipline to reach a direct perception of energy and intent.
  • Taisha described this threshold of silence as a state where "the structure of language can't contain the vastness of silence that whispers to you directly without words".
  1. "Abstract Affection" and the Energy Body

In workshops discussing how to entice and tune the energy body, Carlos's apprentices explained that accessing the deeper levels of dreaming relies on abstract affection.

  • They defined this as the detached, unselfish wonder of the energy body itself—acting with total precision and care without demanding anything for the personal self or ego.

*** From the books only (seems like overlap, but it's unique sources) ***

  1. Abstract Principles vs. Concrete Dreaming Procedures

In The Art of Dreaming, Carlos notes that don Juan's instruction in dreaming was divided into two distinct parts: practical dreaming procedures and the purely abstract explanations and principles of those procedures. Don Juan used these abstract principles to engage the apprentice's intellectual curiosity while guiding them toward direct perceptual practice.

  1. Steering Dreaming from "Concreteness" to "The Abstract"

Don Juan explains that modern-day sorcerers strive to steer dreaming and sorcery away from concreteness. "Concreteness" belonged to the ancient sorcerers, who fixated obsessively on techniques, ritual behavior, and gaining power over others. In contrast, modern sorcerers seek the abstract, which don Juan defines as the ultimate search for freedom—the freedom to perceive all that is humanly possible without obsessions or rigid interpretations.

  1. The "Abstract Gift" of the Death Defier

When Carlos encounters the death defier (the woman in the church of Oaxaca) in The Art of Dreaming, she bestows upon him a gift in the second attention. Because Carlos refused concrete demands for personal power, don Juan explains that she granted him an abstract gift: the capability of "flying on the wings of intent" into open-ended, non-ordinary dimensions of awareness.

  1. The "Abstract Flight" and the Dream Body

In Taisha Abelar's The Sorcerers' Crossing and Stalking With The Double, Clara Grau and Nelida describe the transition into the energy body (or double) as the abstract flight. They explain that other realms are composed of energy and awareness rather than solid matter. To cross over, a practitioner must become formless and virtually abstract; the moment the physical body becomes fully conscious of its energetic counterpart, the warrior completes the abstract flight.

  1. Sexual Energy, Dreaming, and Grasping the Abstract

In The Power of Silence, don Juan emphasizes that sexual energy directly governs dreaming and allows the assemblage point to move smoothly. He warns that dissipating sexual energy causes erratic shifts of the assemblage point, making it difficult for an apprentice to shift their awareness enough to grasp the abstract or perceive the abstract cores—the underlying blueprints of intent that govern all meaningful events.

  1. Relegating Dream Phenomena to an Abstract Level

In The Active Side of Infinity, don Juan cautions that when a dreamer is confronted with inorganic beings or strange energy pushes during dreaming, the most sober course of action is to relegate those entities to an abstract level. Making as few mental interpretations as possible protects the dreamer from falling prey to fear or phantasmagorical projections.

u/danl999 — 20 days ago

Sun Usage

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I've been curious how one might use sunlight, after discovering that Taisha's not-doings from Esalen produce amazing results. So I tried to get Gemini Ai to find "everything" from the books on sunlight topics.

It can't. But at least it found some.

*** Gemini Notebook with all of the books in its grasp ***

In the books of Carlos Castaneda and Taisha Abelar, using the sun to charge the body, heal, or restore youth appears across several explicit techniques and teachings:

  1. Catching Sunlight with the Left Eye & Eyelashes (The Second Ring of Power)
  • The Left-Eye Procedure: Don Juan teaches his apprentices that the best way to directly energize the body is to catch sunlight in the half-closed left eye. The practitioner slowly moves their head from side to side while looking into the sun through half-closed lids.
  • The Eyelash Filter: La Gorda demonstrates a four-step gazing technique using the hat brim as a visor to block glare while using half-closed eyelids as a "mesh of light" on the eyelashes to filter the sun's rays.
  • Rolling to Distribute Energy: For women, taking in sunlight is paired with rolling on the ground. Because women receive energy directly into their wombs, rolling around distributes the absorbed solar energy throughout the rest of the body.
  1. Sun Breathing, Solar Charging & Healing (The Sorcerers' Crossing)

Clara Grau teaches Taisha Abelar detailed exercises to pull the sun directly into the vital organs:

  • Gulping the Sun into the Stomach: Facing the sun with eyes closed, the practitioner takes a deep breath through the mouth, pulling the sun's warmth and light directly into the stomach, holding it, swallowing, and exhaling. Clara teases, "Pretend you're a sunflower... The light of the sun charges the breath with power, so be sure to take big gulps of air".
  • Directing Solar Energy for Healing: Once in the body, solar energy automatically spreads throughout, but practitioners can consciously direct healing rays to specific injured or sick areas by touching the spot or mentally guiding the light there.
  • Breathing into the Back and Spine: Breathing solar light through the nose and visualizing it flowing down the back energizes the channels along the spine, flooding the entire body with warmth.
  • Eyeball Rolling for Vitality: Absorbing solar light through the spot between the eyes, holding the breath, and rolling the eyes clockwise before exhaling intensifies the yellow solar glow in the head.
  1. Maintaining Youthfulness & Rejuvenation (The Sorcerers' Crossing & Silent Knowledge)
  • Facial Sorcery Passes for Youth: Clara Grau teaches specific facial movements designed to prevent wrinkles and keep the face looking youthful. She explains that "power itself" pre-set the purpose of these passes to maintain a youthful appearance.
  • Renewal through Emptiness: Clara tells Taisha that by emptying the body during magical practices, sorcerers can soar through the void and "return to this world youthful and renewed".
  • Defeating the Mind's Expectations of Aging: Don Juan explains in Silent Knowledge and Magical Passes that aging and physical decay are governed by social agreements and the mind's internal dialogue. By practicing magical passes and vanquishing the mind, sorcerers stop honoring the "agreement" to grow old and stiff.
  1. Solar Energy in the Garden (The Sorcerers' Crossing)
  • Earth and Sun Balance: Clara Grau assigns Taisha to work in the garden specifically to absorb two complementary types of energy: earth energy and solar energy. "The sun bestows its energy on the earth and causes things to grow... cultivate the garden and absorb its energy, and also the energy of the sun".
  1. Midday & Sunset Light for "Not-Doing" (Journey to Ixtlan)
  • Midday Sun: Don Juan uses the intense light of the midday sun to help Carlos break his normal perceptual interpretations during "not-doing" exercises.
  • The Glow of the Setting Sun: Don Juan advises Carlos to let the yellowish afternoon sun "kindle" and restore him before difficult tasks. Trotting on the spot while staring loosely into the setting sun causes a "copperish warmth" to flood the palate, eyes, and top of the head.

*** Second attempt ***

Prompt: Please try to find more, without repeating. Reword it to find things your RAG indexes didn't locate.

AI:

Here are additional, deeper references to working with the sun, solar energy, and light across the books that were brought to light through deeper retrieval:

  1. Humans as "Pieces of the Sun" (The Second Ring of Power)

When Carlos asks la Gorda about the nature of the double, she gives a direct metaphysical explanation connecting human luminosity to solar light:

  • The Yellowish-White Double: La Gorda tells Carlos that the double appears as "white, yellowish white, like the sun".
  • Faint Solar Light: She explains: "We are pieces of the sun. That is why we are luminous beings... We are all like the sun but very, very faint. Our light is too weak, but it is light anyway".
  1. Borrowing Power from Noon Sun vs. Afternoon Sun (The Second Ring of Power)

La Gorda lays out a specific timeline for when a practitioner should gaze at nature to absorb power:

  • Midday Borrowing: "In the early morning trees and rocks were stiff and their light was faint. Around noon was when they were at their best, and gazing at that time was done for borrowing their light and power".
  • Late Afternoon Reversal: In contrast, around five in the afternoon, trees and rocks grow quiet, and rather than yielding power, they begin gazing back at the practitioner.
  1. The Sun Pulling the Eyes from Self-Reflection (Stalking With The Double)

In Taisha Abelar’s manuscript, Nelida uses the sun as a metaphor and energetic tool for breaking the trap of the self-reflective mind:

  • Stagnant Reflections vs. Solar Light: Nelida asks Taisha what causes a person to lift her head to look at the sun after a lifetime of staring only at her reflection in a stagnant puddle of water.
  • The Pull of Intent: She concludes that "The sun pulled her eyes with its brilliance... Polish one's link to intent, the power of intent is strong enough to pull one's eyes away from self reflection".
  1. The "Cool Fire" of the Setting Sun (Journey to Ixtlan)

When don Juan has Carlos trot on the spot while looking un-focused at the setting sun, Carlos experiences a distinct physical transformation:

  • The Copperish Glow: Carlos feels a "copperish warmth invading my body... in my palate and in the roof of my eyes. It was as if the top part of my head were burning with a cool fire that radiated a copperish glow".
  • The "Dying Sun" vs. "Young Sun": Don Juan tells Carlos that while some warriors thrive under the "young brilliancy of the morning sun", Carlos is a creature of the "dying sun; old, yellowish, and mellow", preferring the restoring glow over the intense morning heat.
  1. Gazing at Light to Invigorate the Body & Mind (Stalking With The Double)

Zuleica teaches that gazing at a smooth yellow candle flame or light source acts as a bridge to waking up the energy body:

  • Activating the Head Center: Visualizing or gazing at a steady light source "activates a fundamental energy center in the back of the head, invigorating the entire body".
  • Transmuting Mass into Sheer Energy: Through sustained gazing practices, "your physical body is gradually transformed so that it matches your mental vitality. Finally, the body becomes so light that it is rendered into sheer energy".
  1. The Shamans' Flight to the Sun (Shabono)

In Florinda Donner's account of rainforest shamans (shaporis), she witnesses a traditional ceremony centered on solar flight:

  • Precious Internal Light: The shamans embark on a night vigil to fly to the sun and bring back its "precious light".
  • Internal Reflection: The old shapori Puriwariwe explains to Florinda that this solar light does not show outwardly on their red, tired eyes, but rather "shines inside them. Only they can see it".
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u/danl999 — 26 days ago

Readers of Wood

What exactly does "Reading from Infinity" imply?

It's important to understand that in your mind you might be thinking "Just read text", but what does "read text" mean?

That's a "gloss". Reading text is a complex scenario, and varies by the situation.

So once you are able to do what Carlos advised us all to do, you'll see text on paper, text on objects, text on plaques, or text on a book page. All sorts of text will come up.

EXCEPT, what you might expect. Simple text, with no context. No background behind it.

Perhaps when you get better at it, you'll see text in isolation. Text all by itself.

But in my case, the text is always "on" something else.

Usually made of wood.

Paper is made of wood. But so is beachwood. So are some antiques.

And if the text is on an interesting object floating in front of you, that's a normal sight even in your regular view of reality.

You might not notice the text at all, and if someone asked you might say "I think I materialized an Irish shillelagh."

Forgetting it had text on it.

When reading the text, it seems to take on "meaning" only as your gaze lands on specific letters, the same way text in a book only becomes meaningful when your eyes get to it.

But what surprised me the most was that our fingers are somehow also associated with text. Give it a try. If the text seems likely to fade away, clap your fingers onto your thumb. To generate a tiny shock in your hand.

Maybe the text will respond, and you can figure out how to keep it around.

Can you type, to get it to scroll faster?

Of course! You watch text flow from your typing fingers all day long if you work with computers.

This is all part of the "Evil Clown Effect", but if you don't know about that you'll discover it on your own soon.

Assuming you actually learn to stop your internal dialogue, so that your assemblage point can move further than it does with silly techniques like closed eye meditation.

Nothing in sorcery is "visualized", and you get to keep your eyes open while viewing infinity.

If you're new here, you can also zip onto the top of that weird length of wood, and walk along the surface to see what it's really made of.

In private classes Carlos often told odd stories involving reading text.

One was the child who could stand on a newspaper, and read it using the bottom of his foot.

Carlos said that wasn't as rare as it might seem, but as the child grew up, the ability would be lost.

And the witches told us how they can stack text books on Carlos stomach and chest when he's going to bed, and the next morning they can test him from any page. He looks up into the air, often just above a virtual "horizon", and reads that page back to them.

He also used to read from his palm in class, one time making it very obvious to me as he had just arrived to start the class.

To make sure I remembered that.

u/danl999 — 29 days ago

What's That???

This will piss off some of the women who intuit that Yoga makes you feel good, and gives you "green zone magic" sensations when you close your eyes, but haven't seen enough to realize it's a con game using ordinary effects all humans experience, in order to trick you into thinking you're making progress.

And my job isn't to make you feel good, so that you'll keep coming to workshops and pay more money.

My job is to lead you in the direction Carlos gave us, before he died. He had little confidence we'd listen, and for decades it seemed as if we would not.

But now, there are people who understand. That the tiny effect of fake magical systems is NOT "real magic". They're just exploited curiosities.

That's how all fake magic systems work. Ordinary but rare sights, used to flatter followers who manage to see those.

Cleargreen even created an official lying video where they claimed Carlos had visited Yogananda (he didn't), and that both he and don Juan said that was the same as sorcery.

It's really sad. I sure hope they took that monstrosity down. And I sure hope whoever made that, doesn't have any say in their decisions.

If you want to do Yoga, do Yoga. But don't confuse yourself into thinking our goal is anything at all like that!

If you work hard, you'll be up to your ears in magical sights and realize that the ones Yogis brag about are so trivial, they're not worth discussing much other than to tell a beginner it's a good sign if they see anything at all in the second attention.

Of course, everyone sees second attention sights from time to time. Even getting up to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night.

So it's not really a "goal" to see stuff that can't possibly be there.

It's merely a starting point for moving your assemblage point all the way around, using darkroom or gazing techniques.

Looking at "impossible" things, tests how much you have removed your internal dialogue.

Carlos tried to use muscle memory for that purpose, but people just ignored his instructions and pretended to be doing Tensegrity correctly, when obviously they were not.

So use MAGIC to test your internal dialogue. You can't fake that!

You might lie to others, but at least you'll realize you haven't yet succeeded.

Remember!!! This is NOT a "binary system". Binary systems are frauds.

"Enlightenment" is a fraud. Not much different than being a junkie, if the person making that claim has actually achieved anything at all.

Usually, it's just politics in their system.

A few westernized meditation leaders do "achieve" some mild green zone effects such as insect hive mind awareness, minor closed eye visions and bliss, but it's nothing to be bragging about. And certainly no reason to mislead others.

u/danl999 — 1 month ago

Which Spirit Helps Best?

Yes, there are real, semi-solid, fully visible spirits. Some live for billions of years, such as the 2 allies of Carlos which likely belonged to don Juan before that.

Just get over it! All the fake religions and magical systems out there ruined your thinking on this topic, and people even get angry with me for explaining the real thing.

But that's my job! And once you start to interact with them, a phony religion isn't going to deceive you anymore. You'll realize that they don't know anything real at all.

More specifically, Enoch, The Buddha, Lao Tzu and Yogananda were total idiots. Lying even. Of course, of those only Yogananda actually existed.

But he was still a greedy idiot.

So...

Carlos classified the types of scouts you can run into in sleeping dreams, but he didn't elaborate much on waking dreams. Possibly because in the lineages, it was a senior member who "guided" apprentices into those realms.

Waking dreaming is done AWAKE!!! But that doesn't mean things don't get just as crazy as a sleeping dream. Instead, it means that if you walk through a solid wall because it's no longer there, you'll have a very hard time explaining that later on.

But we learned about that in the books! As don Juan famously "explained", the Nagual just takes care of that.

Not much of an explanation when you've walked 30 feet past your wall and out into your back yard.

But at least it's really nothing new.

What's new perhaps, is treating things as real because you did them yourself, instead of as a fun story to read and share with your chat room friends.

I suppose the main difference for us is, we don't have any Silvio Manuels or Zuleicas, so we have to do it all ourselves.

Without Carlos having explained this type of sorcery path.

He gave it to us at the end, but didn't elaborate. Possibly thinking we'd never get there anyway, being as terminally lazy as our community is. And that if he explained in more detail, we'd just pretend in more detail and make things even worse for ourselves.

So we'll just have to share information.

Here's a comparison of using an Ally to teach you (a 2nd gate activity), versus using a Silent Knowledge Entity.

It's possible that you can't keep using the Allies, once your assemblage point switches sides on the body.

But you can summon silent knowledge entities.

Unfortunately, for me those teach about a "stream". Not about what's currently going on in my corner of reality.

You might try to argue that the senior members of the lineage had infallible "seeing".

But you'd be very confused. Leaning towards religion, rather than sorcery.

The lineages "seeing" messed up constantly in the books! Even leading to the demise of the lineage itself, due to mistaking one kind of apprentice for another.

And trying to summon a "stream" relevant to what you want to explore, adds another level of difficulty.

It's already hard enough without that burden added!

So when it comes to Silent Knowledge entities, you just take what you get and thank them for visiting.

Last night I tried asking an SKE entity about the situation you see here, but it just ignored my question.

If I had "Fairy" helping me, one of the two Allies Carlos gave us, she would have eagerly explained all the details I wanted to know.

In fact, she used to take me into that tunnel anytime I wanted to see the inorganic being's world.

And yes... I suppose she tried to trap me there a time or two.

But the allies are just like that. You have to periodically "wrestle them", to get them to behave as you'd like.

Typically they seem to only try a bad trick out on you twice, and then never again for that same one.

u/danl999 — 1 month ago

Silent Knowledge Puffs can Extract Elements of SK

Had to delete this post, just to fix an error in the text. Reddit has decided not to allow changing the main picture according to ChatGPT.

But that main text was a bit poorly worded...

I used up all my time today, making this picture. AI drawing only saves the time of selecting picture elements from google images. There's no way to get an AI to draw something this complicated.

So I'll add comments tomorrow, including an interesting aspect of the lecture Carlos gave us about the J curve, where his finger moved around in a 2 inch circle, at the point of alignment in the purple zone. I never realized it, but he was pointing out that you can "extract" things there.

I'd also like to go back and look at this again during practice tonight. Can "where" be extracted to??? Can you end up "somewhere else" during darkroom practice, even if that makes no sense to your waking reality?

*** (next morning)

First, the circle thing.

Carlos gave his J curve lecture using one of the inner circle women (being face blind I can't tell you who it was). He pushed her in front of us, later explaining that she and one other woman had moved their assemblage point the entire distance the night before, but couldn't remember it today.

She was dressed in clingy black clothes with more "camel toe" than I'd have the nerve to show.

So he guided his finger along her physical body in a manner that upset the (female?) private class audience, which had already been arguing whether Carlos was a horn dogger.

It seems we're experiencing the same thing in this subreddit... Backlash from clicks in the group.

Of course Carlos was a horn dogger! He readily admitted it, even in his books. As don Juan said, he was more like Julian than like other Naguals in their lineage.

Julian used sex as a tool to teach sorcery.

But actually Carlos was trying to burn that very important J curve lecture into our minds, using the woman as a sexy prop.

In the case of Cleargreen, it didn't work. They erased their memory of that J curve, even coming up with their own absurd version of it involving "the heart", and continued to hold workshops as if everything were fine without any real magic happening.

Carlos back then was trying to give us stuff we could use after he was gone. And we had no leaders with any understanding.

His finger traced the entire path the J curve takes.

When he got to where he'd have to move his finger along her butt, he laughed and stopped and looked at the class, and started over up at the top again.

Then when it got time to move it over her butt and under, to come up in the front, he just turned her 30 degrees more to face us, and put his finger on the front side, down on the left side of her stomach. The right side from our point of view.

The "Band of Man" we move our assemblage point in, is angled. That gives part of the illusion of "left side awareness versus right side". But not all of it. The band does in fact have a thickness.

Carlos continued up going to the right of her stomach until it was above her belly button.

He'd just passed through the "orange zone" but didn't say a lot about it other than that a whitish light forms on "surfaces".

When he moved it over to the right side of her stomach, and onto the "purple zone", he explained how that brings it into alignment with the assemblage point of the energy body.

That's what produces silent knowledge. Both assemblage points being in alignment, which means your tonal half gets to see the dream world the way your energy body can.

But at the final point, in perfect alignment, he started to explain what can happen over there.

Then looked out into the audience, and concluded the lecture had gone on too long and we were starting to lose our ability to focus on his lecture.

So he cut it short there.

Before he stooped. his finger had moved around in a circle over the ideal spot for SK, but the diameter of the circle was no larger than the actual "baseball" size of the assemblage point.

So presumably, it was still overlapping anywhere along that circle.

That's what I suppose is happening here, when you break SK apart into individual elements.

But of course, you don't really make SK work by thinking about that finger movement. You might be able to see that, but it would have to be a different view. Seeing the luminous shell and the assemblage point.

SK doesn't make those visible automatically.

What you see instead is the video in the air timeline, and you can try to "enter it" but be blocked by your dirty link to intent.

So that when you get confused and don't end up where you're viewing (sometimes you do, sometimes you can't) you see individual pieces of the timeline.

As the picture shows.

Thus it isn't necessarily a bad thing that you can't just zip off into new timelines you see in silent knowledge.

If you have to figure out why you can't do that, you end up examining the "knowledge" from a distance, which allows you to identify pieces of it which can exist without all the rest.

"Mood" is one of the most useful perhaps. Because if you had a hard time getting up on the middle of the night to practice, you can simply pick up the mood from another reality and you are no longer uncomfortable.

Don't expect those to be like you normally think of a "mood".

These are alien moods.

u/danl999 — 2 months ago

Find Your Spot?

I was surprised the other day when I went looking around in my dark room after completing my tensegrity, hoping to find a physical passage out of the room using the second attention. Those can look perfectly ordinary, except that since it's your own room you know for a fact there's no open window on the east wall, no rip down the middle of the south wall, or maybe you know for a fact that you have a ceiling and above it a roof, so that it's not possible to look up and see the night sky moon and stars.

But usually I don't focus on the floor.

This time I did, and I was shocked at how my energy body seemed to LOVE hanging out down there, to put on a show for me.

That's not really what was going on with Carlos and don Juan's insistence that he had to "find his spot", or else he couldn't learn sorcery.

As you may know, don Juan needed Carlos more than Carlos needed him, so in fact that whole episode was a trick of some kind.

But it's no trick that you can see colors down there, on the ground.

You can do that during darkroom practice.

Just be warned, if you "look for your spot" you might not like what you find. Depending on where you've gotten so far, along the J curve.

I used to find Minx down there, pretending to be a pink squirrel / puff fish.

Minx is the second ally that Carlos introduced to his private class.

Cholita loves that one. I often come home to find her talking to Minx, until she realizes I'm there.

u/danl999 — 2 months ago

Deliberate Horizontal Shifts

Someone asked about that pink haze people who practice darkroom often see. Best answer is that it's possibly your crusted energy, stuck to the inside of the luminous shell.

And it can indeed lead to tiny dreams floating around you. But by the time you can perceive that your "blue ball of energy" body will have formed, and the pink haze won't be so easy to find.

So best to play with that stuff when you have an Ally around to help out, in the green zone along the J curve.

As they have always done for sorcerers, the Allies channel silent knowledge to you before you can reach it yourself. Such as the talking lizards ceremony. Or the mushroom shaped people.

So they can help you generate silent knowledge, from sights seen mostly in the green zone on the J curve.

That energy to the left and right is very difficult to visually "see" well enough to verify what Taisha said about it being different. But the very process of trying to feel that by grabbing it, leads to better control over where your assemblage point is shifted, horizontally.

And that leads to deliberate mood control. You can use that type of assemblage point control to give yourself a "boost" once in a while.

Which Carlos mysteriously elaborated on in his final books, with stories about how you can do a little Tensegrity movement to get a burst of speed.

Perhaps he meant that in a way that's incomprehensible to us, until you can literally do that yourself.

At any rate, this Esalen not-doing is valuable and super easy to do. And the benefits will grow over time.

u/danl999 — 2 months ago

Sparse Bundles

That picture has an error, but reddit won't let me replace it at this time. Some system error. I'll try to put the picture in in a comment.

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A beginner might be able to "understand" this diagram, but it won't do them any good.

In fact, knowing rules and procedures for sorcery is actually harmful to sorcery practice.

There are no rules, and no procedures!

And yet, beginners need them.

So take this as a hint only, then forget about it.

"Seeing", which Carlos renamed to "Silent Knowledge" in order to emphasize that it can only come from stopping the internal dialogue, can be super realistic, or it can be vague.

Naturally super realistic is the most fun. Such as that "flying french poodle" vision Carlos had, when don Juan asked him to deliberately try to see.

But that type of concreteness burns up dreaming awake energy fast. So Carlos advised us to accept things that aren't concrete.

No fun at all...

Like the old seers, it's hard not to covet concreteness over all else.

But if you do accept it, and don't even have an opinion on it, you'll come to realize that stuff which isn't concrete, is merely a "sparse bundle" of emanations. And if you can remain fully silent, and wait, more and more of that sparse bundle of stray emanations will begin to fill in, from nearby emanations.

"Concrete" merely means, there's as many emanations glowing as your normal reality has. At least, in the direction you are looking.

Bottom line: TIME is a big factor when practicing sorcery. Be patient, as long as you focus nearly all of your efforts on stopping your internal dialogue.

But DON'T be patient with yourself, if you're continuing to run your internal dialogue as if that didn't matter.

That's what makes sorcery impossible for people. That internal dialogue.

Reddit seems broken, and that post picture had an error from a new version of my drawing program. I had to fix it, but can't seem to get reddit to let me delete the bad picture. So here's the actual post picture for now, and hopefully reddit will start working again.

u/danl999 — 2 months ago

In Search of Pre-Olmecs

The Olmecs weren't the people don Juan was referring to when he said that the old seers learned to see, after hundreds of years of power plant usage.

They're merely the oldest civilization, besides the Mokaya, that anthropologists have uncovered in that "Olmen" area of Mexico.

And they only go back 6000 years at the VERY MOST. Some would even complain about that age and say it was closer to 4500 years.

Not enough.

The death defier was given to the inorganic beings 7000 years ago (as I recall), and is part of why don Juan estimates the origins of our sorcery, as being 8000-10,000 years ago.

But I'd like to know more.

So I put the AIs to the task, using the theory that power plant usage tends to leave better signs in the anthropological record, due to the use of caves, ritual fires, and hard seeds.

I asked ChatGPT and Gemini to find all references to power plants in the archaic and pre-archaic periods in Mexico. And map them for me.

I got:

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The archaeological record for entheogen use in the Archaic (approx. 8000–2000 BCE) and Pre-Archaic/Paleoindian periods relies heavily on the arid, dry caves of the Chihuahuan Desert, which spans Northern Mexico and the Texas borderlands. In wetter regions of Mesoamerica, organic plant matter from this deep in antiquity simply rotted away.

Because of this, the most definitive evidence of early ritual consumption comes from desert rock shelters where hunter-gatherer cultures deliberately manufactured, cached, and buried highly psychoactive plants.

Here are the most significant anthropological finds from these early periods.

Frightful Cave (Cueva Espantosa), Coahuila, Mexico

Excavated by archaeologist Walter W. Taylor in the 1950s and 1960s, Frightful Cave is one of the most important Archaic sites in Northern Mexico. The cave was repeatedly occupied by nomadic hunter-gatherer groups between approximately 7500 BCE and 185 CE.

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Among the thousands of preserved organic artifacts, archaeologists discovered carefully concealed caches containing mescal beans (Sophora secundiflora) and Texas buckeye seeds.

  • The Findings: The beans were found purposefully stored in plaited-matting bags, often placed alongside tools, sinew, and red ochre in what anthropologists refer to as "healer's kits" or "shaman's bundles."
  • The Ritual Context: Mescal beans are highly toxic and produce a severe, dangerous physiological reaction. Anthropologists conclude that long before peyote became the dominant sacrament of the plains and desert, indigenous shamans used mescal beans in grueling vision quests to gain animal spirits as protectors. Because of their toxicity, they were carefully handled by initiated medicine society members rather than consumed by the general population.

Shumla Caves, Chihuahuan Desert Borderlands

While technically located just across the Rio Grande in the Lower Pecos region of southwest Texas, the Shumla Caves are culturally and ecologically contiguous with Northern Mexico. The nomadic groups who inhabited this region moved fluidly across what is now the modern border, making this site central to the history of Mexican entheogens.

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  • The Findings: In the 1930s, excavators found what looked like dried peyote buttons (Lophophora williamsii) in a burial cave. Modern radiocarbon dating places these specimens firmly in the Middle Archaic period, at roughly 4045–3960 BCE (over 5,000 years ago).
  • The Ritual Context: Recent chemical and microscopic analysis revealed a fascinating detail: these were not just harvested cactus buttons. They were manufactured effigies made of crushed peyote mixed with other plant materials and shaped to look like intact buttons. The fact that they still contained a 2% concentration of mescaline after five millennia—and were deliberately crafted and placed in a burial—proved to anthropologists that the Archaic people possessed a deep, sophisticated understanding of the plant's psychotropic properties and used it as a religious sacrament.

Pre-Archaic (Paleoindian) Evidence

Finding definitive proof of entheogen use prior to 8000 BCE is exceedingly difficult.

While some researchers and radiocarbon extrapolations suggest that the use of mescal beans and early vision-quest rituals in the Trans-Pecos and Northeast Mexico region may trace back as far as 8500 BCE (the late Paleoindian transition), hard physical evidence of drug preparation from this era is scarce.

We know that by the time we reach the Formative/Preclassic periods (after 2000 BCE), the use of hallucinogens exploded across Mesoamerica. The Olmec and early Maya heavily utilized psilocybin mushrooms (teonanácatl), Morning Glory seeds (ololiuqui), and the psychoactive venom of the Bufo toad—evidenced by "mushroom stones" dating to 3000 BCE and toad remains in high-status burials. However, the Archaic desert caches of Coahuila and the Lower Pecos remain the oldest direct, chemically verified proof of ritual entheogen consumption in the Americas.

*** ChatGPT ***

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Result

The evidence does not presently allow a defensible migration trail showing that Olmec shamans descended from one earlier entheogen-using population.

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More sharply: inside modern Mexico, I found no securely demonstrated Archaic-period case in which an entheogen was proved to have been prepared or consumed. The best Mexican candidate is Frightful Cave in Coahuila, where people collected large quantities of psychoactive or toxic seeds by roughly 7500–7000 BCE—but ingestion and ritual use remain unproved. The strongest direct early evidence is at Shumla Cave No. 5, immediately north of the Rio Grande in Texas.

The map includes:

  • Archaic and pre-Archaic evidence.
  • Nearby Texas borderland comparators.
  • Formative-period evidence relevant to Olmec development.
  • Later discoveries showing that particular traditions eventually existed in Mexico.

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The basemap uses Natural Earth country geometry; cave locations are generalized rather than represented as exact protected-site coordinates.

Dated inventory

Archaic and pre-Archaic evidence

1. Bonfire Shelter, Texas — 8440–8129 BCE — mescal bean

Mescal-bean seeds were reportedly associated with a Paleoindian bison-bone level, and some older literature calls them ceremonial caches. That is not secure evidence of ingestion: mescal beans were also transported for decoration, and the association derives from older excavations. Treat this as a reported early possibility, not a demonstrated entheogenic use.

2. Frightful Cave, Cuatro Ciénegas, Coahuila — approximately 7500–7000 BCE — mescal bean and Mexican buckeye

Large quantities of mescal beans were deliberately carried into the cave; the earliest reported occurrence is about 7265 BCE, and Mexican buckeye seeds have been associated with deposits around 7500 BCE. This proves collection, but not why they were collected. Both seeds are toxic, and mescal beans had extensive ornamental use, so calling this an entheogenic ceremony goes beyond the evidence.

3. Hinds Cave, Lower Pecos, Texas — approximately 4550 BCE onward — mescal bean and Datura

Mescal beans were taken into Lower Pecos shelters at least 6,500 years ago, while Datura seeds occur in Middle Archaic deposits at Hinds Cave. The Datura seeds were beside a hearth but not in a special cache, so plant presence is secure while ritual or hallucinogenic consumption is not.

4. Shumla Cave No. 5, Lower Pecos, Texas — 4045–3960 BCE — peyote

This is the strongest case. Altered, manufactured aggregates containing ground peyote were directly radiocarbon dated, and chemical analysis identified mescaline at roughly 2% alkaloid content. Actual swallowing cannot be observed archaeologically, but deliberate processing of a mescaline-containing plant is difficult to explain as accidental.

Formative-period bridge to the Olmec world

These are not Archaic, but they are the earliest evidence close enough in time or geography to inform the Olmec question.

5. Paso de la Amada, Chiapas — 1900–1500 BCE — cacao

Theobromine residue was identified in a ceramic jar. Cacao is psychoactive and ritually important, but it is a stimulant and ceremonial beverage rather than a classic visionary entheogen.

6. El Manatí, Veracruz — 1650–1500 BCE — cacao

A vessel from this Olmec ritual site tested positive for cacao residue. This provides a direct ritual-beverage tradition in the Gulf Coast region immediately before San Lorenzo’s ascendancy.

7. San Lorenzo, Veracruz — 1800–1000 BCE — cacao; disputed cane-toad claim

Cacao use is confirmed by theobromine residues, including an elite mortuary context. The famous argument that San Lorenzo people extracted hallucinogenic toxins from cane toads does not survive contextual reanalysis: the toad deposit was redeposited, lacked expected human modification, and could result from natural accumulation and predators. The investigators concluded that the particular hallucinogen used by Olmec ritual specialists remains unidentified.

8. Western Mexico vessels — earliest examples 1400–1000 BCE — Datura

Atropine was detected in six of 24 vessels attributed to western Mexico. This is strong chemical evidence that Datura beverages existed by the Early Formative. The problem is provenance: the vessels came through dealers, so their exact sites and contexts are unknown. They cannot establish a geographic route toward the Olmec heartland.

9. Kaminaljuyú, Guatemala — 1000–500 BCE — possible mushroom tradition

A cache contained nine miniature mushroom stones and nine miniature metates and manos. This is suggestive of a ritual involving mushroom imagery or processing, but no mushroom tissue, psilocybin, or other fungal residue was found. It is later than San Lorenzo and cannot establish the origin of Olmec shamanism.

Later continuity—not evidence of Olmec origins

10. Yaxnohcah, Campeche — 158 BCE–26 CE — morning glory

Environmental DNA from a ritual deposit beneath a ballcourt identified Ipomoea corymbosa, the hallucinogenic morning glory later associated with ololiuhqui traditions. The archaeological context is strong but approximately a millennium too late to explain early Olmec ritual specialists.

11. CM-79, Cuatro Ciénegas, Coahuila — 1070–1280 CE — peyote

A peyote specimen was directly radiocarbon dated to this period. It confirms later peyote presence in northern Mexico, but the date cannot be projected backward several thousand years merely because earlier toxic seeds were found in the same broader region.

What this implies about Olmec shamanic origins

The most defensible interpretation is not “Olmec shamans migrated from the Lower Pecos peyote tradition.”

The map instead suggests three partly independent traditions:

  1. A very old northern desert toxic-plant complex involving mescal bean, Datura and, securely at Shumla, prepared peyote.
  2. A southern and Gulf Coast ritual-beverage complex, directly represented by cacao at Paso de la Amada, El Manatí and San Lorenzo.
  3. A later southern visionary-plant and mushroom complex, archaeologically visible through mushroom stones and eventually morning-glory evidence.

There is currently no chain of intermediate sites connecting the Lower Pecos–Coahuila complex to San Lorenzo. There is also a major evidentiary distortion: dry northern caves preserve seeds, textiles and prepared plant material exceptionally well, whereas tropical sites rarely do. The northern cluster therefore may indicate superior preservation rather than the birthplace of shamanism.

My inference is that Olmec ritual specialists probably developed locally within Early Formative Gulf Coast and Isthmian societies, while drawing on older, widely distributed American practices such as human–animal transformation, curing, divination, fasting, dance and altered states. Exchange networks could have transmitted particular substances or techniques, but the existing entheogen evidence does not identify a single ancestral population or direction of transmission.

The attractive “toad-using Olmec shaman” explanation has a serious hole: its principal archaeological foundation was re-examined and found unreliable. Olmec transformation art supports the existence of ecstatic or transformational ritual concepts; it does not tell us which drug—if any—produced them.

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u/danl999 — 3 months ago

Reading Infinity

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Carlos warned us that the old seers preferred "videos in the air" methods for viewing Silent Knowledge. Usually perhaps done on a cave wall.

But like the flying french poodle seeing Carlos described in his books, videos can be confusing.

So he suggested that as modern humans, we could become "Readers of Infinity", and view text.

I tried really hard to view that and not the videos, but it eluded me for years.

Until one night, it just showed up by itself. Interestingly, it came after Cholita returned home from 4 months wandering in Mexico. And now seems to want to be nice to me. Once in a while...

So for the next 5 nights after the text decided to materialize on its own, I got some at the start of my darkroom practice.

Always associated with wood as far as I could tell. As if wood (paper) were somehow associated with writing, in the dark sea of the emanations.

I also tend to see a full paragraph of text that I can't make out, with an "interactive" area below it.

I can speak to it, and the text changes.

Could be a side effect of using AI too much?

But it's a new sight for me, so the text isn't very useful at this point. No cool messages such as "there's a gold coin located in the dirt around..."

Just remember, Carlos wanted us to do this. And it's very difficult to remember later on, so I created this hand gesture to go with the 5 others I've come up with, to help "mark" what type of magic I got to see.

Last night for example, I clearly remember doing all of the hand gestures, EXCEPT for the fist pump of "I saw the will in action".

But...

I don't remember any of the magic now. It happened deep in heightened awareness, and just like Carlos, we have a hard time remembering stuff that happens over there.

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u/danl999 — 3 months ago

What good does it do to make your blanket glow?

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If it's just a glow, making your blanket bright in the darkness probably isn't good for much.

Certainly a thumbs up! But those are common during darkroom.

If it indicates you've actually moved part of your energy body into an object, don't forget that don Juan warned how dangerous that sort of thing could be.

Objects coming alive? Sound familiar?

There's a lot of details in the books that weren't explained much, and for good reason.

There's no need to give people more material to pretend. Let them discover anything that's available in Silent Knowledge by themselves.

Still, we went far too long with no one willing to work hard enough to stop their internal dialogue, so we've made the conscious decision that showing real magic, is better than never showing any.

Here's something "questionable" as far as showing it to beginners goes.

But in fact, your energy body might be able to take over stuff.

Maybe even make the Atlantean figures of Tula walk around the museum at night?

But there's the issue of whether someone whose flesh body has died, can still manifest as alive through their residual awareness. And whether that residual awareness is almost the same as their energy body?

The inorganic beings seem to think it's the same. Don Juan said that when they kidnap someone, they take their energy body first, and come back for the physical matter.

Carlos once seemed to be in a panic in private class, because Florinda and Taisha has dissapeared.

The next day, they were back and Carlos confronted them in front of us, to make them explain.

They said, "We went shopping!"

But what exactly does that mean?

Another time, Miles made the mistake of taking a step across the wrong side of one beam that helped hold up the ceiling of Carlos' home on Pandora.

And according to Carlos, he got trapped in the phantom copy of that house. One of the witches (Florinda as I recall) had to go "in" and save him.

But I really doubt his physical body vanished. Maybe it's just me, but my theory is that it was his double. And also in the case of the witches being lost.

Their doubles were missing.

Could be otherwise.

But there was also Carlos, in that final interview for a Spanish magazine, saying "I'm already gone, and I can't come back."

Giving a workshop just a day or two later.

Clearly his physical body wasn't gone.

And not to add to the confusion, but how is it possible during darkroom to walk though a magical passage that materializes, right through what ought to be a solid wall?

Maybe we'll figure it out eventually. But you can see what I'm thinking about it, in this post.

The two bodies are independant, but can come together under the right circumstances.

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u/danl999 — 3 months ago

SK "Presentation Method" Samples

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These are just what I do on a fairly regular basis, with the addition of a new one I saw last night. But in fact, even "womb dreaming" is a bit like this at times.

I just like to do my magic fully awake with my eyes open, so no one will say it's just a dream.

Last night I was leaning halfway through a rip in reality. A round portal of some kind. This picture doesn't show how far I got in, but it was nearly half way. Mostly only my hips and legs were still back on the bed, where I'd been sitting up on pillows gazing at Silent Knowledge, after an hour of tensegrity practice forcing silence, which is what got me to SK.

SK happens when your assemblage point moves all the way down the back, under, and up to the front. To come into alignment with that of your energy body's assemblage point.

In case you didn't know, we have TWO assemblage points. The video over here will make that more obvious if you never heard of it before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icCEcjDfhIU&t=3s

I seemed to have leaned through a magical portal into an antique shop where they have 2 mummified cowboys on the shelf with the other "1800s collectables".

I don't believe I'd done that before. Half in, half out. I noticed that unlike going all the way in to a silent knowledge "video in the air", I hadn't lost my memory of what I was doing, where I came from, and what I was hoping to learn tonight.

So, don't go fully inside?

But of course a better solution would be to learn how to keep your rationality intact, even when your current timeline ceases, and you're perceiving another one.

Each "reality" is just a timeline out of an uncountable number you can be perceiving.

"Upgrades" are also possible. They don't have to come from someone as complicated as "the death defier".

You can upgrade yourself with any of the cyclic versions you already have. One count said 600, but one of the witches said 6000.

And not all of those have an "energy generating" world, so many are phantom.

But if you take an upgrade, at least for the rest of your practice session you can escape from the terrible burden of being "you".

And be free from that kind of obsession.

So I suppose what's not clear here is, in one of the examples on the left you go halfway into another world, but keep your feet on the ground here.

In the other, you pull a new version of "yourself" out, and adopt it for your current state.

Which makes stopping the internal dialogue easy. 

It's that "you" which motivates the internal dialogue to ceaselessly comment on everything going on.

Which pulls your assemblage point back to this world.

You won't get to SK with your internal dialogue running.

But it's also very nice, not to struggle to keep it off.

That's where an "upgrade" can make things easier.

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u/danl999 — 3 months ago

Power Failure Post

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Power went down in our neighborhood so I went looking for Cholita, who I haven't seen in days. Along the way I found a complicated protection spell she'd created, and possibly left out for me to see.

Quite a spell I must say...

So I went out to see what to tell Cholita about when the power would return, and found 4 electric company trucks replacing a transformer in our neighborhood.

I let Cholita know, only to find her all dolled up with a miniskirt, going out to do whatever it is she does all day.

And then, with no power and nothing else to do, I started practicing.

With plenty of time to do it.

I got a bit playful with the second attention, and while trying to figure out if the Allies need a puff of your energy body, or they can't be realistic, wondering if that's why they don't look real anymore once someone learns to form their energy body as that "blue ball", I accidentally uncovered what my double was doing, with a "scout" in dreaming.

So is it true that once your energy body forms, the Allies no longer look real? Because there's no "waking dream puffs" for them to take over?

I have no idea.

But it was only later when puzzling over this question, that I remembered having been in 2 places at once, possibly as a result of trying to pull the ally out of the dream world, and into the "real" one. 

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u/danl999 — 3 months ago

Multi-Portal Silent Knowledge

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I got up to practice last night, and saw live streams of silent knowledge already flowing.

As pillars of some type.

It's that common situation of having your assemblage point move in odd ways while sleeping, and because you've learned to stop your internal dialogue, you can wake up without your assemblage point being forced back to its normal position.

Where sadly, there's no magic in the world. At your normal assemblage point position, magic is "illegal". Or maybe "invalid".

But once you learn to stop your internal dialogue, odd things start to be visible.

So a head's up to our community: No, you didn't learn to stop your internal dialogue, using your Tai Chi.

If you really had, you'd be running around the streets screaming "It's a MIRACLE!!!"

You DO NOT "casually" learn to stop your internal dialogue.

It's a DRASTIC situation that commonly leads someone who just achieved it, to think about checking into a psychiatric facility.

Until they get used to having magic appear at random.

And there's pretty much no way to put any limit on what can happen.

We generally follow the path sorcerers of the past did, but they couldn't have, or didn't want to, tell us everything.

So there's little surprises, such as these "Pillars of Seeing".

I doubt there's much use to this. Even if I could get it to happen again, often enough to figure out.

Carlos already thought a single silent knowledge stream was confusing enough, and that we ought to learn to read text instead.

But oddly, one of those streams had some text flowing by for an instant.

So there's also many ways you could be a "Reader of Infinity".

It's not just one thing. 

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u/danl999 — 3 months ago

AOD versus Darkroom

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If any of this is hard to follow, there's nothing I can do in this short comment.

Go study past material.

But the bottom line is, the path in Art of Dreaming is not much different than the path darkroom takes.

And Darkroom is merely the application of Tensegrity, in darkness, while trying as hard as you can to stop the internal dialogue.

Why it so closely follows the gates in Art of Dreaming, is a little surprising. But other things in sorcery turn out to follow the path of something else.

Could be it's all related to where your assemblage point has moved, so far.

This shows those positions, as they relate to darkroom. You have to move your assemblage point that far, to do what you see to the right of that, while awake.

Asleep? I have no idea if you'd see that the assemblage point had moved the same distance. But the old seers did in fact discover a lot of our sorcery, by observing the assemblage point of people who were asleep.

I'm not sure how we're going to duplicate that. If Cholita woke up and found me standing over her while she was asleep, trying to see her "assemblage point", I'd soon learn where she hid that samurai sword she came up with.

Or her sledge hammer. I'm also not sure where that got off to. 

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u/danl999 — 3 months ago

Foot Tapping Time Travel?

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With Cholita back, which means a witch in my home and more "energetic mass", I had so much power last night that the foot tapping from the recapitulation series actually produced ripples through reality. Making an alternate version visible.

I suppose theoretically this is no surprise, but when you see it for real, FULLY AWAKE ( don't cheat yourself with sleeping magic), it's still unexpected.

All I could think of was don Genaro walking Carlos into hell by going in a circle, doing the gait of power.

But don't get confused and start banging the floor with your foot! It's not going to work.

In fact if you expect it, look for it, hope for it, or in any way contaminate your latent expectations, producing a "dirty link to intent", this will never work.

You have to have stopped your internal dialogue for a long time, perhaps a full 30 minutes, before you see sights like this for the first time.

And if you must pretend your sleeping dreams are magic, then you might be able to try this out if you just woke up from a dream a second ago. Don't move at first, and then try flopping your foot or hand on the bed to make a tiny shock, while watching the darkness.

It could be that your assemblage point is still moved from having come out of a dream, and you can get a sample of what it means for a physical shock or vibration, to alter the reality you are perceiving.

But please...

Try to learn at least some sorcery, awake???

Or I might send Cholita after you one of these days.

The very night she returned, Fairy and Minx made a short appearance.

Or as Cholita calls them, "Uuuhh... those guys..."

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u/danl999 — 4 months ago

Trying Techniques In Silent Knowledge

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When I post pictures of our real magic, I often get even more of it.

The reason is the very same as the reason this not-doing works!

But you'll have to discover that for yourself.

Those "emanations" really do exist, and it's possible to add awareness to those which are rarely used, and make them easier to perceive.

In fact, we're merely trapped in a range of the emanations that all of humanity has evolved to perceive.

Making it close to impossible to look in any other direction.

That's what produced the "Tonal/Nagual" divide.

Something you can partially overcome by learning to stop your internal dialogue.

I suppose, you can't fully overcome it until you leave this physical container and become what Carlos called a "specialized form of inorganic being".

You can use "seeing" (aka silent knowledge) to try out other techniques, which seem a bit far-fetched until you realize they actually work.

Such as pressing on the crown of the head. Or grabbing your sides and pinching, just under your armpits.

You can do it, and see what happens!!!

But that's not useful to beginners, because pretty much nothing is going to happen until you can reach silent knowledge.

Might be some subtle effect, but that won't keep a beginner going.

It's much more convincing when you can see a drastic effect, while doing the technique.

Now I'm wondering if we can't duplicate even the shroom based techniques from the early books, but without the shrooms.

Maybe the techniques in the early books aren't off our list afterall.

Such as the one where you make a spooky sound in the woods, and wait for the response.

I'll see if "NotebookLM" can find it for me. If I do, I'll put it here.

***

The technique you are referring to involves the use of an object don Juan calls a "spirit catcher." This object is described as a "whitish cord" or fiber that don Juan loops around his neck, stretches taut with one hand, and plucks with his other hand while letting out a peculiar yell. The combination of the tense string and the human voice produces a "weird, unearthly reverberation" that echoes off the canyon walls. Don Juan uses these eerie calls to tap into or "wake up" the spirits of water holes, mountains, or "allies," whose voices or presence then respond from specific directions.

When don Juan played the spirit catcher for Carlos, he gave him specific instructions on how to physically position himself, how to listen, and how to perceive the messages hidden within the sounds.

Here are the quoted instructions given to Castaneda:

  • On physical posture: He was told to "sit with my left leg tucked under my seat and my right one bent, with the knee in an upward position. My right arm had to be by my side with my fist resting on the ground, while my left arm was crossed over my chest. He told me to face him and stay there, relaxed but not 'abandoned'".
  • On how to look and listen: "Don't look at me when I play... Don't close your eyes, though. Not for anything. Look at the ground in front of you and listen". He was also instructed to "yell a specific word if I began to feel that something was coming at me".
  • On how to receive the spirit's message: On a later occasion, don Juan instructed him to "focus all my attention on listening to sounds and do my best to find the holes between the sounds". He emphasized the word 'holes', explaining that "inside them a sorcerer could find all sorts of messages and directions".

Regarding the use of magic mushrooms: Yes, magic mushrooms were absolutely essential to inducing the state needed for this experience. The sources explicitly note that just prior to searching for the "holes" in the sounds, Carlos smoked don Juan's mixture: "When I had finished smoking he said that we were there so I could find out the kind of game I was supposed to hunt". Similarly, the first time he encountered the spirit catcher in the canyon was initiated because he had specifically asked don Juan "to let me smoke once more to find the guardian".

The sources reveal that this smoking mixture—which don Juan referred to as his ally humito ("the little smoke")—relied on a fine powder made from dried hallucinogenic mushrooms belonging to the genus Psilocybe (specifically identified tentatively as Psilocybe mexicana).

***

So... WE CAN DO THIS TECHNIQUE ALSO!!!

But you need SK, to make up for not using the magic mushrooms.

If that doesn't make sense, keep in mind that Silent Knowledge "presents" whatever information you're looking for, as long as you really did stop your internal dialogue and aren't contaminating your "intent" with other thoughts or goals.

And you can find out if you can do that, using other "pressure point" techniques.

When you can get some of those to work immediately on trying them, you might be able to make spooky sounds in the woods, and see what Silent Knowledge streams for you as a result.

Being in daylight, or in the woods, isn't really a barrier to SK.

The only barrier is your link to intent, and how well you've cleaned off all the turmoil of your internal dialogue.

You might say, we're drowning in a complex multi-topic question asked to SK, via your internal dialogue, which never ends. The question just goes on and on, so that no real knowledge about the world around us can flow.

We're "shouting in anger and despair" at the talking lizards.

Wait... Can we do that technique also, but without the devil's weed???

Cholita has an airline ticket for tomorrow.

No guarantee she'll get on the plane, but maybe I should look into buying 2 lizards, just in case.

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u/danl999 — 4 months ago