Circularity, cylindricity... etc
Just wanted to post a question.. I'm having a debate about the tolerance zones for the above form controls.
Both are determined by a value given, say .5mm .. the tolerance is two concentric circles (or cylinders) that are spaced .5mm apart from each other at all points radially around the tolerance zone.
In theory, lets say you have a part with 25mm +- .4mm
You could have one side of the circle have a .5mm dip and every other part of the circle be perfect, for a total tolerance used of .5mm in circularity, and .5mm in diameter. Everything is good.
Lets take that same part, add another .5mm dip to the exact other side of the circle so that both of the .5mm dips are a mirror image to each other.
The circularity is still .5mm, but the diameter drops another .5mm across the two dips.. for a total size drop of 1mm.. which exceeds the size tolerance.
So it appears that even with a geometric tolerance "less than" our size tolerance, we can still in theory experience undersize or oversize diametric conditions. Is this accurate or am I not understanding? I would think the method would be to have a geometric tolerance equal to half the size tolerance for worst case conditions? (Think rule 1)
The person I'm debating is going as far as to say I am incorrect and that the .5mm tolerance zone given isnt the radial distance between 2 circles, but in fact its half the .5 and it should be .25mm .. makes no sense. Y14.5 clearly states the tolerance is a radial width between two concentric circles.
He is also claiming you can accurately measure circularity with 2 point measurement devices, in that the circularity consumed is equal to the diameter size differences on a mic.
I believe this to be incorrect as well. If you had a .2mm dip on one side, the diameter would change by .2mm with a circularity of .2mm. If you had .2mm dips on both sides, the diameter would change .4mm and circularity would be .2mm.
Who would you say has a better understanding of this?
Asme y14.5 2009
Thanks for any info!