Image 1 — Today is National Coming Out Day. Here's some memorable coming out scenes on tv
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Today is National Coming Out Day. Here's some memorable coming out scenes on tv

Today is National Coming Out Day. What are some of your favorite coming out scenes on tv? Here are some of mine:

  1. Ted Lasso - Colin comes out as gay to his team. Love this scene.
  2. Schitt's Creek - Patrick comes out as gay to his parents. Love this scene. Patrick is usually so even-keeled that his tears in this scene get me every time.
  3. Heated Rivalry - After some excruciatingly bad sex with his movie star girlfriend, girlfriend Rose has sussed out Shane is gay. Hudson Williams killed it in this scene. The crying when she asks "Have you ever been with a man?" makes me cry.
  4. Glee - Santana comes out as gay to her cheer team. Brittana forever.
  5. Shameless - Mickey comes out to his abusive dad.
  6. Young Royals - Wille announces in a televised speech that it was him in the leaked sex video, and thus comes out to ... his entire nation.
  7. Ellen Show - I know Ellen got canceled a few years back, but this really was groundbreaking. Ellen's show walked so others could run.
  8. Heated Rivalry - the OTHER big coming out scene. Scott invites Kip down to the ice and celebrates with a big on-ice kiss.
  9. Survivor - not every coming out scene is nice and heartwarming. This infamous scene from Survivor is very real-life. Jeff Varner heartlessly outted Zeke as transgender at tribal council. The good thing was the tribe and Jeff Probst were so disgusted they kicked Varner off the island without a vote.
  10. WNBA - another real-life example I love. Paige Bueckers ended speculation about her sexuality by arriving to her draft night with gf Azzi Fudd and kissing her when she was drafted. They play on the same team now!

ETA: totally forgot some really memorable ones. I apologize. But: Pedro coming out as gay and dying of AIDS in RW San Francicso, Bunky coming out as gay in Big Brother 2 and becoming friends with ultra-conservative Kent, Rudy and Rich's odd-couple friendship in the first season of Survivor, the teens of Degrassi, and Rickie in My So-Called Life were all seminal moments.

Also forgot The American Family. The Louds had a gay son who later died of AIDS.

u/growsonwalls — 4 days ago

When a Big Brother contestant says she loves Heated Rivalry on the live feeds

I am a huge Big Brother fan, and you cannot imagine my happiness when I found this clip of one my favorite contestants (Melody) telling her friends in the house they had to watch Heated Rivalry because she's seen it four times.

Note: the guy in the black tank top and the Loon girl (Melody and Drew) were in a flirtmance all summer and now are dating post-season and this clip shows why. He knew his Heated Rivalry lore!

Drew when he left the house also liked the Yash Drew Heated Rivalry tiktok.

That's it, that's the whole post.

EDIT: found this amazing edit of Big Brother to "My Moon My Man." The similarities continue!

u/growsonwalls — 9 days ago

Poor Sara and Felice

Can we just talk about how Sara and Felice just signed up for a road trip to hell? First thing Wille will do is call his parents to drop off his suitcases. Then they'll start this road trip, and it's going to be miserable for Sara and Felice.

I traveled at their age, and one thing is that teens will ALWAYS view hotel rooms as clown cars, where you squeeze as many people as possible. I once slept in a hotel room with maybe 6 other people in the room and one in the bathtub. It won't occur to them to get different hotel rooms on their trip.

Thus, they'll have an entire road trip of Wilmon asking for "an hour" to fuck, and Sara and Felice getting sexiled. This is cute ... once. But constantly being told to bugger off so two horndogs can fuck? Gets old, fast. And then Sara and Felice will also realize that they can't turn around and look at what's happening in the backseat of the car unless they want to get really grossed out.

They'll still love them and think it's great they're together, but they'll also find them annoying as shit.

u/growsonwalls — 12 days ago

When the show goes against the trope

I read that Lisa said she wanted to see how many romance tropes she could cram into one show. And it really has so many.

But what's your favorite moment that actually goes against the tropes?

I think my favorite is the relationship between Wille and Erik. With how much Kristina favored Erik, and the revelations about Erik, it would have been easy to play up a sibling rivalry. I read Prince Harry's Spare and the relationship between him and Prince William (!!!) was always so contentious. But I liked how they went the opposite way, and showed a really loving sibling relationship. Erik was the only one who drove Wille to school, and we see that he calls Wille almost every day.

I also like how they didn't do the "one bed" trope when Simon brought a drunk and high Wille back to the room. The room actually has two beds, so Simon sleeping in Wille's bed was a choice he made, and not the forced proximity "one bed" thing.

There was also no real gay panic, and no one in Wille's life seems super shocked that Wille is queer. Erik seems to know, Kristina is more about covering up the video than any shock that Wille is with a dude, even Felice (who had dreams of marrying Wille) is just like "oh well, guess not." The story is more about the repercussions of the video rather than any "am I gay?" internal struggle.

Any others?

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u/growsonwalls — 14 days ago

Drew and Dee

So last night I was listening to Drew and Devens talking and Drew was all laughs, except for when he talked about Dee. He was reminiscing and he spoke about Dee putting him up and targetting him during her second HoH, and all of a sudden his voice was shaking with anger. It was surprising how bitter he was, considering he's there and she isn't.

But I really feel like for all the plaudits Dee got for her ruthless style of play, the way she handled relationships was not it. When Drew won the final veto, she smartly made a F2 with Taylor. What wasn't so smart was her holing up in Taylor's HoH room all day and drinking wine, while Devens begged for his life downstairs with Drew. Devens promised on his wife, kids, and rescue dogs that he'd bring Drew no matter what. Dee promised him nothing. Drew went for the guaranteed 75k rather than rolling his dice with Dee. I also think part of him just didn't want her sniffing the money.

When she was HoH, she put people up and laughed about it. When she was targeted, she threatened Barrett and was really nasty. When she felt safe for the week she didn't bother talking to anyone but Devens and Angela. She kept calling Drew "little weasel" as a "joke," but it's not a joke if you're targeting him constantly for eviction. He stopped laughing at the joke somewhere along the line. Then during eviction night she called him that AGAIN.

So I feel like Dee was SUPER fun to watch, and it's exciting to see a woman play that way. She was like a mix of Parvati and Danielle Reyes. But when it came to personal relationships, she could be strangely obtuse. Definitely a weakness in her game that IMO wasn't that obvious when she was on Survivor.

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u/growsonwalls — 15 days ago

Costume ball: who wore it the best?

So the costume ball was basically an excuse for the Hillerska elite to literally cosplay Marie Antoinette era parties. With that being said, I feel like some people rocked the costumes better than others. I really liked Sara and Stella's dresses. I think they looked adorable, and Sara's wig was pretty flattering too.

I appreciated how committed to the bit Wille was, with the wig, the tight scarf, the jacket, even the white tights. With that being said, I also thought it was funny that Simon was chasing him down at that party so he could eat his face, and he didn't laugh once at the ridiculous-looking wig. That's love and horniness right there.

And Wille telling Marcus he looked like a waiter? Sick burn, next-level petty. I didn't know until S2 that Wille could be such a bitch, and I mean this in the best way.

I liked August's red jacket too.

Whose was your favorite?

u/growsonwalls — 15 days ago

Which sliding doors moment would have been worse?

Romance genres often have these sliding doors moments where something could have gone way, way worse had it not been for fate. In both these cases, were it not for fate, some really, really bad sex would have happened:

  1. If Henry didn't barge in on Wille and Felice's makeout sesh, they probably would have had an excruciating one-night stand. Felice would have been so hurt when Wille nicely broke up with her, and Felice is a sweetheart.

  2. If Wille had walked a little faster back to the dorm after booking it out of the ball, Simon might not have caught up with him, as we all know Simon and running are not friends. Simon actually needed to sprint out of the party to find Wille. But suppose he's sprinting and Wille's already gone, he would have gone back to the party, Marcus would have hounded him about the third date sleepover, and they probably would have had sex that night and it would have been awful.

Which sliding doors bad sex moment would have been worse?

u/growsonwalls — 19 days ago

F5 HoH

Hindsight is 20/20, but was Devens putting Drew up last week a game-losing move?

Drew was in the HoH begging and pleading not to be put up, saying he was okay with a renom but not to be initially put up, because if he didn't win veto he'd be evicted. Devens and Dee both got sort of pissy with him, saying that he didn't trust them, Devens had to because of the "Melody of it all."

Last night Devens was pleading for his life with Drew, and Drew was like "The icons have never done anything in the game to show they’re with me.  It just sucks cause I’ve never seen either of you guys do anything for me." When Devens asked Drew to throw him a bone, Drew was like "I think I said that to you last week." Drew said whenever he was targeted, he had to win himself otherwise he'd leave, that the icons never saved him. Drew also said that he knew if he didn't win veto last week, he'd have been evicted over Melody.

In retrospect, Devens putting up Drew and then evicting Melody completely burned Drew and now Drew is probably evicting him.

Had Devens kept Drew off the block, say Drew wins veto. He pulls off Melody. So it's Dee/Taylor up for eviction. I 100% think Drew evicts Taylor, and then the F4 HoH would have been Drew/Melody/Dee. Say Drew likely wins, Devens has a much better shot at the veto.

Devens and Dee's mismanagement of Drew as an ally has to be studied in the BB Hall of Fame.

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u/growsonwalls — 22 days ago

Which Taylor Swift song was written about Wilmon and you won’t be changing your mind?

I’m a big Swiftie and have now probably saw more TS/YR edits than I care to admit. But seriously their story is is Taylor love song coded. Which one is the most Wilmon coded?

Also shouting out "Bigger Than the Whole Sky" for being very Wille/Erik-coded.

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u/growsonwalls — 25 days ago

Who would write the best relationship advice column?

If life is just nonstop Wilmon-like relationship drama, who do you go to for advice? Personally I pick Sara. Shes blunt but she also clocks it consistently. If I truly needed relationship advice, I'd go to her for some brutal truth bombs.

But Felice is super sweet and caring too. And she says things with way more tact.

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u/growsonwalls — 26 days ago

Who would you rather hang out with?

Not your favorite ship. But which highly discussed queer tv couple would you hang out with? I actually voted Panton (Paul Baker and Anton) because I live literally in Queens just like them. I could probably walk or bus to their house.

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u/growsonwalls — 27 days ago

If I were the gym teacher, I'd hate Wilmon

Insane daily drama in gym class. As a teacher, this is one of the most massively irritating things to deal with: a teen couple that uses class to hash out whatever romantic drama is going on. When they're fighting, they're pelting each other with dodgeballs. When they're happy, they're also annoying by being sickeningly lovey dovey about lifting weights.

I like how in the academic classes, they mostly keep the drama to themselves. But in gym class? Daily drama.

u/growsonwalls — 28 days ago

Least realistic part of s2 …

Is that one hockey team can be so insanely hot, with 6 10/10's in one team. Thats it. Thats the post.

I decided for fairness to not even count the coach and also the wag's like Harris and Lisa. Because that's even more statistically impossible.

u/growsonwalls — 28 days ago

Heated Rivalry Parody Musical

I went to see this last night. I live in NYC and had heard great things about the parody musical so I went last night. The guy who usually plays Shane (Troy Iwata) was out, but I got the understudy and he was delightful (Daniel Brackett).`

It's a very short evening (around an hour and 15 minutes). Tiny theater, so there's no bad seats. The music was much better than I expected. And if you like the show (and we all do), it's very funny. Jay Armstrong Johnson is a musical theater veteran and I really love his singing voice. At times it was like an extended SNL skit, but there's also some genuinely funny moments, like the Scott Hunter walk-on being an audience member and the character of Maria saying nothing but "girl" throughout a song.

If I have one quibble about the show, it's that throughout the show, Ilya is much meaner than he is both in the show and books. The show also played up the Svetlana love triangle. But they kind of reduced Ilya to the Big Bad Russian trope, when the beauty of the show/books is that Ilya actually goes against this trope.

I feel like this is a fundamental misread of the character of Ilya that I see a lot. Ilya is closed-off, defensive, and has a dry sense of humor. But I see (not so much here, but on threads, twitter, tiktok, AO3 fics) that Ilya is mean/abusive and it's just (IMO) not getting the character at all. I felt like I was reading the fics where Ilya is abusive again on AO3 and raging.

Ok rant over.

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u/growsonwalls — 29 days ago

Nilhelm?

You think Nils sort of had a thing for Wille? He seems to be the only person comfortable enough to talk to Wille frankly about Wille's sexuality. And honestly, Wille didn't seem to hate the idea of going to Verbier with Nils to do some posh ski resort cruising. Granted he was lonely and heartbroken, but I got the vibe that were it not for him getting back together with Simon, he would have gone with Nils or at least considered it.

I kinda wish Nils and Wille's friendship had been developed more, but I guess Wille got back together with Simon shortly thereafter and Wilmon keep to themselves.

I also got the vibe that maybe Nils and Vincent might have a little something.

Nils is one of my favorite characters actually. Yes he's a total snob, but I liked him and hope he found a cutie on grindr.

u/growsonwalls — 1 month ago

Wille crashouts are ICONIC

I used to think Lestat de Lioncourt was the king of the crashouts, but now I think Wille is the king of the crashouts. Because every time he got truly angry, I felt it so deeply. And he was usually justified in his crashouts, even if the way he expressed himself wasn't exactly ... um, helpful.

I can never decide which is my favorite Wille crashout. I think it's the one where he sees Simon on a date with Marcus on insta and decides to threaten the entire royal family. Just the way he’s crouched on the desk screaming at his mom and all the Royal suits gets me every time. And the way he says it's because "Simon's on a date with someone else." So 16.

u/growsonwalls — 1 month ago

Other fictionalized royal shows

Are there any other really good fictional shows about royal families you'd recommend?

I watched The Crown and liked it till around S5. I just didn't like the final gen cast.

Very different show, but I also loved The Great. Black comedy, incredible acting especially by Nicholas Hoult and Elle Fanning, super funny.

I also enjoyed The Tudors back in the day. Loved Henry Cavill and Natalie Dormer.

It's not exactly royalty, but I'm also obsessed with Succession, which has an inner peak into the sort of elite uber-rich.

Any others?

ETA: not going into movies bc there's so many, but I did enjoy Roman Holiday, Red White and Royal Blue, Marie Antoinette, The Favourite.

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u/growsonwalls — 1 month ago

Wilmon imitates Narlie

wdym I was today years old when I first saw Edvin and Omar doing a dead-on imitation of Nick and Charlie's way of saying "hi" and "bye"? I know that the HS cast and the YR cast are friends (Edvin went to see Kit when he starred in Romeo and Juliet on Bway), but this is too cute.

u/growsonwalls — 1 month ago

Cross-fandom names

So thanks to this great sub, I finally started binging Adults. I love it, especially Paul Baker! But I've noticed a big overlap of HR fans and Adults fans, and the cross fandom calls themselves the Heated Adults?

What are some common cross-fandom names? Here's a few I've seen:

- Heated Royals (fans of both HR and Young Royals)

- Heated Schitters (fans of both HR and Schitt's Creek)

- Swoons (Swiftie loons)

- Rival Stoppers (HR and Heartstopper fans)

- Rival Vampires (fans of both HR and Interview With the Vampire)

Any others?

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u/growsonwalls — 1 month ago

Contest: who does the disdainful side-eye at Marcus better?

So Wille and Simon spend most of S2 acting like dicks to each other in gym class. But one way they're psychically connected is that they both give Marcus truly disdainful side-eye. Who do you think masters this look better?

Like if you're Marcus, which looks makes you feel more like a total knob?

u/growsonwalls — 1 month ago