u/kock_by_chance

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Slippery output, anybody? Is it good/bad/normal/unheard of?!?

I've been struggling with slow, sticky output and problems with digesting my food for pretty much as long as I've had my ostomy, over 2.5 years now. I've been trying various treatments and have slowly been getting better. In the last month I've noticed that sometimes my output is actually not only not sticky, but slippery. I've been trying to figure out what is causing this, and then it occurred to me that this might be the way healthy output is? I've seen lots of posts about how people like to bring around little water bottles to wash out their bags, which implies that their output is sticky. And they sell lubricant drops and all.

But doesn't anybody else have slippery output? Do you have any idea if this is good or bad (maybe it means too much fat?).

Some notes from my observations:

* I only have slippery output when my food is well digested (smooth, very hard to identify visually what I ate, doesn't smell like what I ate, etc.)

* Slippery output can be thick or thin, it doesn't seem to matter. Even when it's pretty thick, when I open the bottom of the bag it just slides out with ease, and it's also straightforward to clean the bag opening.

* When wearing a clear bag, when I have slippery output, I can lift the clear part of the bag away from the output and it just falls away, it doesn't stick. There is usually a little residue, but this is entirely different from before.

* It also flushes with ease, no residue or even a hint of color left in the toilet bowl.

Anybody else?

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u/kock_by_chance — 1 day ago

Biofilm flushing during colonoscopy?

Has anybody had biofilms manually flushed during a colonoscopy? Like in the video posted here: https://www.reddit.com/r/biofilms/s/9AQJouHxl4

I would love to have this done prior to my ileostomy reversal, but my several GI doctors and my colorectal surgeon here in California don't seem to be familiar with this treatment.

I'm willing to go to another country, in particular Spain or Portugal -- I would like to hear all options. Thanks!

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u/kock_by_chance — 7 days ago

Biofilm flushing during colonoscopy?

Has anybody had biofilms manually flushed during a colonoscopy? Like in the video posted here: https://www.reddit.com/r/biofilms/s/9AQJouHxl4

I would love to have this done prior to my ileostomy reversal, but my several GI doctors and my colorectal surgeon here in California don't seem to be familiar with this treatment.

I'm willing to go to another country, in particular Spain or Portugal -- I would like to hear all options. Thanks!

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u/kock_by_chance — 7 days ago
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What'cha carrying there? (A story of laughter and hope)

I've been laughing out loud for the past five minutes.

En route from the closed-for-construction bathrooms back to my truck, walking past the little breakfast tables outside the boat house at the lake:

A prim older woman sitting with her cappuccino was staring at me as I walked away from the closed-for-construction restrooms, heading towards the parking lot beyond her table. I was walking very slowly because I had been having high output for the previous couple of hours and was weak and tired, probably due to the combination of intermittent blockages and low electrolytes.

In an attempt to diffuse her hostility, I met her gaze and said, smiling, “Hello.”

No response. I held her gaze and tried again, slightly louder even though I was by then a few steps closer to her. “Hello.”

No greeting, but she did acknowledge my presence with, “What’cha carrying there?”

I wear my bag (opaque 7” Hollister closed pouch) out, as the extra pressure from clothing is very uncomfortable, and as I often peek at my stoma to check for retraction and prolapse, and to reduce the pressure in the bag. When my bag is heavy, as it was at that moment from the liquid output that had filled it over the prior thirty minutes or so, I support the bag from below with my hand because I have a mechanical closure (presumed from abdominal scar tissue) that is exacerbated by the weight of the bag pulling downwards.

I did not mention any of this to her, but simply answered her question, “A bag of poop.”

“What?” she asked, I think in spite of herself, as she struggled to open her bag of nuts.

“It's my ostomy bag, a bag of poop.”

I was just adjacent to her at this point and she looked away and gasped, “Oh my God.” before shoving the nuts into her mouth.

A step or two past her by then, I just said, “The things we wish we didn't know….” And then I laughed. I laughed at the absurdity of the situation, at her shock, at the fact that I was, in fact, holding a bag of very liquid poop in my hand. I laughed off and on the whole way back to my truck, the laughter bursting out of me each time the ridiculousness of the whole thing struck me afresh.

I also sang the song that's been going through my head today, “This is why -- I gave you all compassion,” “This is why -- y’all can't have nice things”. Thank you Hayes. Thank you, strange woman. The laughter was wonderful and welcome. As is the blue sky and bright sunshine.

https://open.spotify.com/track/5ijg5jN9uzGoyjHhfDHMWx

Sharing this story of mine, from April, because sometimes the only way to keep going is to laugh. To keep walking towards the sun, to keep on going, even when you're going through hell. To pick yourself up and carry on. And sometimes, just sometimes, things do get better. In the last few weeks I have noticed that I do not have to hold my bag up when it is full to keep my stoma open. <3

u/kock_by_chance — 12 days ago
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Irrigating your colon, anyone? (Mucus stool, tenesmus, reversal prep, etc.)

Edit for clarification -- I'm talking about putting saline into the inactive limb of my loop ileostomy, the 'entrance,' as it were, to my inactive colon. I'm irrigating to flush out my colon, an attempt to clear hardened mucus, heal my diversion colitis, and improve my microbiome prior to reversal.

Has anyone else tried this, perhaps as a participant in a study? Would you share your experience? How did you do it, what did you use, how did it affect you?

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I've found several articles about irrigating the colon via the efferent limb of a loop ileostomy.

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Some use saline with probiotics:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8267790/

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While others use saline with a thickener:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/codi.70448

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It seems like this can reduce diversion colitis (the first paper) and post-operative ileus (for reversal). And it makes sense that getting things moving the the colon again would help it be healthier and be prepared for being reconnected.

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I've had severe diversion colitis, probably because I had already had a lot of GI issues prior to my stoma placement. For a year I felt like I needed to poop pretty much all the time but could rarely pass anything (and the first time I tried after my fistula repair surgery it broke the stitches at the internal rectal opening, causing a new abscess and, later, tract). When I decided to ignore my surgeon's recommendation against enemas, I finally had some relief, and for the last year I've been reliant on them almost daily. Isotonic saline.

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I thought that the inactive limb of my stoma was tied off, so I used only enemas, despite the fact that the liquid rarely seemed to get past my descending colon, if it even got that far. A couple of months ago I read these papers and then just tried it, using a syringe with a catheter tip. And the first time, I felt so much relief, as if something had unlocked. My small intestine gurgled and my whole belly relaxed.

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My surgeon is okay with saline but seems not to be familiar with any other options. I had read about butyric acid enemas from compounding pharmacies, but my integrative doctor suggested sodium butyrate (from a pill) dissolved in saline, much cheaper and easier.

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What I've tried -- skip this paragraph if you're squeamish! I started with saline, and then with the sodium butyrate dissolved in it, but nothing was coming out. I felt like there was a blockage somewhere that I couldn't get past from either direction. I finally put a few drops of mycelized oregano oil in the irrigation saline, and this worked, but I was in hell until the blockage cleared. I didn't understand what was happening then, but I was sick sick sick as the oregano worked its magic helping my body fight the bugs and biofilm. At least, that's my guess, because finally one day I pooped out the most foul yellow liquid. It smelled like some of the clods of gray paste that had occasionally come out previously -- putrid, like a decaying dead animal. And then I felt so much better. Soon after that, I read about NAC being used to dissolve impacted stool in the small intestine, with 4% NAC saline being injected with a needle through the abdomen just above the obstruction. For a few weeks now I've been irrigating with NAC saline, and based on what has come out, it's no wonder I've had so much trouble. Clumpy white stuff, hard yellow stuff, long strands of white stuff (one 3 ft long!), flat pieces of semi transparent stuff among them. The first couple of times I felt incredibly awful after the NAC went in, and then like a new person, alive again, after passing whatever it loosened. Since then it's been easier, but there's still a lot of gunk coming out. I've generally only put about 30 ml in, and sometimes I use the sodium butyrate after the NAC. I'm hoping to try some resistant starch and/or probiotics, but I've been hesitant because of how much gunk seems to still be clogging up the pipes.

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I'm very curious to hear if anyone else has tried this and what your experiences might have been!

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u/kock_by_chance — 23 days ago
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Does anybody else have their filter bags suction?

When I started using bags with filters, I noticed that they would suction, especially if anything was on top of the bag. I mentioned this to a Byram person as an aside while I was ordering supplies, and she was really surprised, and said she hadn't heard that from anyone before.

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Her surprise, when combined with my experiences over time (unable to tolerate clothing over my bag, for several months unable to get in a pool because the pressure was so intolerable, even with very little air in my bag, etc, chronic partial obstruction, abdominal injury, retraction, painful distention from trapped gas, etc.), helped me realize that this is probably a very unusual experience, but I wanted to find out what others here think.

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Also, as a data point, when my bag suctions, my output stops, pretty much entirely. I also often burp my bag, even after output with very little gas, to relieve the increased pressure inside the bag.

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Very curious to hear what others' experiences are like!

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u/kock_by_chance — 24 days ago
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Does your stoma Spitz too? (a celebration)

For those who like wordplay, and who have independent-minded stomas:

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I used to have two dogs. Both were very smart, but in very different ways. One was a cattle dog mix, a herding dog bred to please, and the other a klee kai mix, bred to do as she pleased.

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I got help from a trainer, and she taught me how to capture behaviors. I would sit in the living room with a bag of treats and wait for them to do something interesting, ready to immediately reward them. The cattle dog loved the game, and would try out all sorts of behaviors, trying to trigger the reward, even whimpering in frustration when she couldn't figure it out. The klee kai, on the other hand, would lie there, one front paw crossed over the other, looking at me as if to say, "I *know* what you want me to do, but I don't feel like it right now."

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My stoma, Splendid (after a Yellowstone geyser), was originally very headstrong, and did not care one whit whether the bag was on or off, or whether there was anyone nearby. After an injury to my abdominal muscles (6 months post op, now two years ago), her will and independence gradually diminished. She tightened up and retracted and tried so hard to pass output but continually struggled, and I got sicker and sicker over the ensuing year. In the last six months, however, after tremendous care and attention, she's beginning to perk up again.

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With delight, I recently read that klee kais are a type of Spitz, a family which includes huskies and malamutes, dogs that were bred, in part, for their independence. Now, when I write about Splendid being unexpectedly energetic, I write, "Splendid is Spitzing away!"

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It was hard for me to be glad to be incontinent, after my ostomy placement. But, after struggling for so long (I was malnourished, anemic, and skeletal at the lowest point), in the process developing a kind of partial continence, and now beginning to return to health, *enabled by incontinence*, I'm so grateful.

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Please share your ostomy-related puns, if you have them, or simply your joy in the increased function and health that your stoma may have brought you. ♥️

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[Klee Kai on the left, Cattle Dog on the right.]

u/kock_by_chance — 26 days ago
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NAC to break up mucus stool?

Last night (I'm not looking for advice, but I am very curious if anyone else has tried this!) I irrigated my distal ileum and colon with NAC, to dramatic and spectacular results. I dissolved 12 g of powder in 300 ml of normal saline. I used a large syringe with a catheter tip to put liquid directly into the efferent limb of my loop ileostomy. I took my bag off, put 25-30 ml in while lying on my back in a warm bath, put the bag back on carefully and without sitting up, and then relaxed in the bath. After a few minutes there was some intense cramping and nausea, then I pooped out lots of pieces of white mucus and a lot of cloudy white liquid. I immediately felt much better, clearer in my head and lighter in my body. After another minute the cramping and pooping and clarity repeated.

I tried this because I have suffered tremendously from mucus stool, and I've been trying various ways to clear it. I started irrigating with saline and sodium butryate about a month ago, but I had the impression that most of the fluid was getting trapped (lots of nausea and cramping but no poop). Then I found this article about using NAC to break up mucus stool via injection.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5965749/

"A section of impacted, inspissated stool was unable to be manually moved. 100 mL of 4% N-acetylcysteine (mixed by diluting 30 mL of N-acetylcysteine in 200 mL of normal saline) was injected via a 21G green needle into the lumen of a portion of healthy small bowel proximal to the impaction. This resulted in immediate dissolution of the impacted material, which could easily be milked through the existing ileocolic anastomosis.'

Curious to hear what others have tried!

(I did also first try an enema with the same liquid, but I couldn't keep it in for even a minute with that concentration of NAC. A more diluted version the previous day had seemed more successful, but I felt like I wasn't able to get the liquid past the blockage(s) so it wasn't able to do much dissolving. Coming from the other direction seems to have solved this problem.

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u/kock_by_chance — 1 month ago