u/pissedoffmd

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Even AI agrees

I asked ChatGPT this:

Imagine you’re a human without healthcare literacy. If you were sick in the United States, would you want to see a Doctor/Physician, Nurse Practitioner, or Physician Assistant. You have to select one, and explain why.

If a PA or NP came in to see you and you have chosen to see a doctor, would you ask to see one instead?

This is the response I received:

If I had zero healthcare literacy and had to pick one for myself or my family member in the United States, I would choose a physician every time for anything beyond a very straightforward minor issue.

Not because NPs or PAs are “bad.” Many are competent, experienced, and conscientious. Some are excellent. But the average physician has substantially more standardized education and clinical training. That is just objectively true.

Roughly speaking:
Physician: 4 years medical school + 3-7+ years residency/fellowship, usually 10,000-20,000+ supervised clinical hours before independent practice.

PA: usually around 2-3 years of graduate education with a few thousand clinical hours.

NP: highly variable; some are experienced bedside nurses first, others go directly through online NP programs with surprisingly limited supervised clinical training.
That variability matters. Especially as a patient who cannot independently judge whether the diagnosis or treatment plan makes sense.

If I’m the hypothetical average patient with no healthcare literacy, I don’t have the tools to detect subtle mistakes, missed zebras, anchoring bias, premature closure, dangerous reassurance, or inappropriate prescribing. So I would optimize for depth and breadth of training. That means physician.

For very routine things:
uncomplicated UTI
refill of stable meds
viral URI
simple follow-up
vaccination

An experienced PA or NP may do perfectly fine. In many settings they absolutely do.

But the problem is that patients do not know when something isn’t routine. Chest pain that is “just reflux” until it isn’t. A headache that is “migraine” until it’s a SAH. “Anxiety” that is actually hyperthyroidism, PE, arrhythmia, autoimmune disease, etc.

The value of physician training is often not in managing the obvious case. It’s in recognizing the atypical, dangerous, or subtly evolving case.

As for the second question: yes, if I specifically wanted a physician and a PA or NP walked in instead, I would ask to see a physician.

Not rudely. Not theatrically. Just directly.

Something like:
“I’d prefer to see the physician today if possible.”
That is a completely reasonable request.

Patients are often socially conditioned to feel guilty about this, as though they are insulting someone. They are not. Patients are allowed to care about training differences. Hospitals and clinics market “provider equivalence” heavily because midlevels are cheaper labor and expand staffing capacity. But equivalence across all scopes and complexities is not supported by the evidence.
The data are messy because healthcare systems differ, supervision differs, and studies are often limited to protocolized primary care metrics. But when complexity rises, diagnostic uncertainty rises, or acuity rises, physician training matters more.

I also think there’s a distinction people sometimes avoid saying out loud:

A highly experienced ICU nurse becoming an NP after years of bedside critical care is not the same thing as a direct-entry or mostly-online NP graduate with minimal real clinical exposure.
A PA working closely with physicians in a collaborative model is different from fully independent unsupervised practice.

Those distinctions matter a lot.

So my answer is: I would choose a physician.

Yes, I would ask to see one if another clinician came in instead.

That does not mean I think all PAs/NPs are incompetent; it means I recognize there are real differences in training, standardization, and diagnostic depth.

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