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In an attempt to take down the Fantastic Four, the Skrull empire came up with a plan to replace close ally Alicia Masters with one of their own, gaining access to their secrets through her relationship to Ben Grimm before it was time to strike. Lyja, a liason officer that had a bad breakup with the commander in charge of the operation, was chosen for the role and spent months learning how to function as the blind artist. But when the swap was made she found out that while Mister Fantastic and the Human Torch returned from Battleworld, the Thing had opted to stay. Needing to find a new route in, Lyja would get close to Johnny Storm, developing a relationship that would ultimately turn into a marriage as she realised she truly loved the superhero. Their relationship would not last following the reveal of her true identity, however, and after a period of attempting to reintegrate herself into his life both as herself and under the guise of Laura Green Lyja would ultimately spend time off Earth attempting to discover herself.

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#Legend

F4 - Fantastic Four (1961)

Namor - Namor, the Sub-Mariner (1990)

FFU - Fantastic Four Unlimited (1993)

Force - Fantastic Force (1994)

Un - Fantastic Four: Unplugged (1995)

SI - Secret Invasion (2008)

SIFF - Secret Invasion: Fantastic Four (2008)

CC - She-Hulk: Cosmic Collision (2009)

F4-6 - Fantastic Four (2018)

Found - Future Foundation (2019)

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#Strength

• Hits Johnny away^SIFF#2
• Breaks part of a man's armour with a sword arm^F4-6#32
• Hits away a foe, breaking stone ground and a column^F4-6#32
• Carries a large metal object^Namor#50

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#Durability

• Falls into Namor, but either this or the spell which sent her falling in the first place incapacitates her^FFU#12
• Stunned by her own repelled blast hitting by her feet^F4#375
• Later modified to be unaffected by Johnny Storm's fire, being able to grab him without injury^SIFF#2
• Caught by Sky's screech which ruptures the ground^F4-6#32
• Her 'alien thought patterns' makes it hard for Onslaught to dominate her mind^F4#415

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#Speed

• Shrinks and weaves around the Thing's punches^F4#357
• Dodges Klaw's beam^F4#378
• Dodges a pistol bullet^F4#405
• Changes shape to catch Johnny before he hits a wall^F4#381

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#Shapeshifting

Parts

• Turns her head 180 degrees^Found#3
  • Turns her head 180 degrees while making it terrifying for a moment^Un#4
• Large claws which snap an alien's neck^Found#3
• Turns her arms into a sword and a large mace^F4-6#32
• Gives herself wings to fly^F4#400
  • Can also be bat-like^SIFF#2 and white-feathered^SIFF#3

Humans

• Copies a specific person that Johnny had met before^F4#379
• Takes the form of Franklin Richards^F4#415
• Duplicates Alicia without anyone noticing anything for long enough that she and Johnny got married^F4#358
• Takes the form of Franklin Richards to get through a device's biometric protections^Found#5
• Impersonates Sue Storm well enough to get through the Baxter Building's various biometric defences^SI#1

Humanoids

• Infiltrates a group of Moloids by becoming one^Un#4
• Turns into a spiked golem^F4#407
• Becomes a flying draconic creature to hit a foe out of the air^Force#8
• Knocks over Namor as a large creature^Namor#50
• Thrown into a wall as a green creature^F4#408
• Becomes a reptilian being which is tackled by Devlor before hitting him back^Force#7
  • This form hits away Doctor Doom's robots^Force#7
• Copies a reptilian being which she had just killed^Found#4
  • Slammed into a spaceship's roof^Found#4
  • Struck away by the Maker, who also hits a child hard enough to crater a metal wall^Found#4
  • Catches a thrown sword before it hits Alex Power^Found#4
• Is thrown into a wall as a purple creature^F4#389
• Becomes a creature with long arms to ensnare an alien^F4-6#27
• Turns into a humanoid bird creature to catch Johnny before he hits a wall^F4#381

Other Creatures

• Transforms into a fly^Un#4
• Turns into a bird^Un#4
  • Still speaks in the form of one^F4#392
  • Calms a prehistoric bird down by turning into a potential mate for it^F4#387
• Blocks a creature's fire breath as a gammara-tortoise^F4#394
• As one creature rapidly burrows through dirt and rock to find water^F4#409
• Turns into a flying creature with tentacles^F4#400
• Becomes a large tentacled creature while underwater^F4#385
• Copies a large tentacled creature in front of her to fight it in 'an orgy of fury and gore'^F4#391
  • Said creature was largely unaffected by Namor's blows^F4#391
• Becomes a 'nearly indestructible' bierbeast to intercept an attack^F4#358
  • She is thought to be killed by this^F4#358 and is seemingly in a base as it blows up,^F4#358 but is next shown being kept alive in a healing vat^F4#366

Other

• Shrinks and weaves around the Thing's punches^F4#357
• Used to break herself out of ice^F4#416
• Somehow breaks a hole in a metal barrel, presumably through her shapeshifting^F4#394
• Gives herself armour^FFU#12
• Becomes Sue's jacket^F4#406
• Shapeshifts into a piece of luggage to fly on a plane^F4#397
• Can gain a headache from being in the same form for too long^Un#4
• Being electrocuted causes parts of her disguise to drop^Found#4
• A robot which detects people's body heat patterns is able to identify her even when in disguise^Un#4
• With a salve, can be put into a near-liquid state^F4#386

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#Equipment

The Lazer-Fist

• Was given a surgical implant which allowed her to fire energy blasts capable of breaking a large robot, though this fell out of her as she lost physical cohesion while giving birth^F4#389
  • She later regained the ability to project blasts^SIFF#2
• Seemingly breaks through Johnny's fire cage before hitting him back^F4#371
• Breaks the ground as she keeps herself suspended in the air^F4#371
• Breaks a jet^F4#382
• Blasts through Klaw before breaking a large hole out of a building^F4#378
• Her own blast repelled to her feet stuns her^F4#375

Other

• Was surgically given contact lenses which made her blind whenever in human form and learnt to function without sight^F4#358
• Wields a pair of guns, at least one of which being a rapid-fire energy weapon, while disguised as Yondu^Found#1
• Owned a weapon which launched an incredibly powerful energy beam but would have destroyed her skeleton if she fired it before it was modified^Found#1

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#Other

• Hears what people are saying when Johnny can only hear their screams^F4#307
• Feels Johnny's heat and hears his sizzle as he's trying to surprise her as Alicia^F4#307
• As Alicia, feels heat from the sky being set on fire before a man next to her does^F4#314
• Recognises a Skrull in a human disguise^CC
• Skrulls giving birth saps their mental control over their form, threatening both their and the child's life if a salve rendering them almost a liquid isn't used^F4#386
• As Alicia, created sculptures of otherworldly abstractions^F4#357
• Can't fly a spaceship while disguised as Yondu^Found#3

"Thing rings, do your thing."

A world famous pop star before her mid-teens, Darla Deering didn't enter the superhero business until she started dating Johnny Storm. Forgetting he needed to find a temporary replacement while the Fantastic Four spent some family time together throughout time and space, he asked Darla to cover his spot, assuring her it would only be four minutes until he returned. When the team failed to reappear as scheduled, she unexpectedly found herself as a lead member of the Future Foundation long-term. Donning one of the exosuits Reed created while Ben Grimm was without his powers, Darla took the moniker of Miss Thing to fight threats as needed, keeping the suit afterwards and staying a member of the Fantastic Four's reserve team.

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#Legend

F4 - Fantastic Four (1961)

Thor - Thor (1968)

2in1 - Marvel Two-In-One (1974)

AF - Alpha Flight (1983)

FF-2 - FF (2013)

NA - New Avengers (2014)

Ant - Astonishing Ant-Man (2015)

FF-5 - Fantastic Four (2015)

SSM - Superior Spider-Man (2023)

Any feats tagged [Ben] come from when Ben Grimm is using the Thing Suit.

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#Suit

• [Ben] Was built for Ben Grimm after he lost his Thing form^F4#170
  • Multiple Thing suits have been built since then, with several being used remotely simultaneously^FF-2#15
• Appears to mold itself around Darla when first being donned by her^FF-2#2
• [Ben] Augments the natural strength of the wearer^F4#170
  • [Ben] Allows Ben to reach at least 90% of his former strength^F4#170
• Can be used with a variety of headpieces, with Darla settlign on a force field-generating collar given to her by Dragon Man^FF-2#5
• [Ben] Initially was designed so only Ben could use it^F4#170
• Dragon Man makes Darla a pair of rings which, when placed together, creates the suit around her^FF-2#8
  • Can be similarly dismissed^FF-2#13
• Was later modified to be remote controlled^FF-2#12
  • This allows suits to be controlled without being worn by someone^FF-2#15
  • Can be controlled with an unconscious Darla inside^FF-2#16

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#Strength

Striking

• Knocks out a man with a strike to the head^Ant#4
• [Ben] Knocks out the Super Adaptoid in a single punch^F4#336
• Punches a man in the air^SSM#1
• [Ben] Punches a robot into the air^F4#174
• [Ben] Hits several villains away^2in1#20
• [Ben] Hits dinosaurs off of a cliff^F4#345
• Breaks robots^Ant#10
• [Ben] Punches the head off a robot^F4#173
• A suit without a person inside chops one of Doom's robots in half^FF-2#15
• A strike from Rick Jones with just the gauntlet ruptures the ground around him^NA#10
• [Ben] Breaks a floor of the Baxter Building^F4#Annual11
• [Ben] Destroys the stone of an asteroid with a punch^F4#172
• [Ben] Creattes a large hole in a thick concrete slab, also damaging the machinery behind^F4#170

Other

• [Ben] Lifts a car over his head^2in1#Annual1
• A suit without a person inside lifts a car and rams it into several robots^FF-2#15
• [Ben] Throws Reed away^F4#170
• [Ben] Throws a large boulder^Thor#Annual14
• [Ben] Slams a robot into a wall, embedding it^F4#174
• [Ben] Catches a falling gorilla^F4#171
• Catches Thunderball's wrecking ball and swings him around^F4-5#4
• [Ben] Tears out a metal door, breaking the surrounding wall^F4#170
• [Ben] Topples a large mech^F4#344
• [Ben] Helps two others topple Galactus^F4#175

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#Durability

Blunt Force

• [Ben] Knocked over by a projectile^F4#Annual11
• [Ben] Takes hits from a robot^F4#174
• [Ben] Slammed into the ground, breaking it^F4#173
• [Ben] Tackled into stone, damaging it^F4#172
  • [Ben] Happens again^F4#172
• [Ben] Takes a punch from Luke Cage^F4#170
• Catches Thunderball's swung wrecking ball^F4-5#4
• Punched by Blastaar, though this causes the suit to shatter with Darla herself being unharmed^FF-2#7
• [Ben] Hit by a giant flying swastika that flew through buildings^2in1#20

Piercing

• [Ben] Bitten by a dinosaur^F4#345
• [Ben] Chewed by a t-rex, though this starts to break the suit^F4#346
• [Ben] Bullets bounce off of the suit^2in1#Annual1
  • [Ben] Ben says that they can still knock him over, and sustained gunfire can ultimately break through^2in1#20

Other

• Blocks sharp playing cards^Ant#2
• [Ben] Drops from one Fantasticar onto another^F4#170
• [Ben] Hit by an energy blast from Vindicator^AF#94
• [Ben] Allows the wearer to stay active in space for a short time, so long as the mouth stays shut to keep the oxygen sealed in^F4#172

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#Other

• [Ben] Has an emergency escape button in the hands, allowing the wearer to leave when restrained^F4#174
• [Ben] Ben is slower than he'd normally be as the Thing while wearing the suit^F4#172
• Uses a device to drain the power of the Watcher out from Doom after he absorbed it^FF-2#15
• Got a recording contract when she was 14, and since then has had seven number one hits, two gold records, one platinum record, a grammy, every video music award MTV nominated her, and a large social media presence^FF-2#7

"You know what's dumb? Morality. Good and evil are for people without imagination."

In part of yet another plan to try and defeat the Fantastic Four, Bentley Wittman opted to clone himself multiple times. The plan was ultimately a failure and led to the Wizard's arrest, but the twenty third clone of the batch was brought in by Reed Richards. Seeing the newly created Future Foundation as the best home for him, Reed sought to give the clone a better life and upbringing, believing that this may be a way to allow the boy's brilliant mind to be used constructively without being forced by both nature and nurture to a life of evil. His success in the matter is up for debate, as Bentley-23 frequently talks about his fondness for villains, desire to build villainous devices such as death rays, and intent to prove himself superior to his father. Despite all this, he also sees himself as beyond the binary of good and evil, and worked alongside the FF for years in their quest to solve everything.

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#Legend

F4 - Fantastic Four (1961)

FF - FF (2011)

ASM - Avenging Spider-Man (2012)

FF-2 - FF (2013)

F4-5 - Fantastic Four (2014)

F4-6 - Fantastic Four (2018)

Found - Future Foundation (2019)

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#Physicals

• Falls on his head after Alex Powers introduces gravity to a room^Found#5
• Dodges an energy beam^ASM#17

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#Inventions

Weapons

• A large gun which he modifies to fire electric blasts capable of incapacitating a Knull-ified Valeria^F4-6#30
• Two floating weapons which create a large blast^F4-6#31
• Makes a bomb^F4#586
• Several pellets that break after being launched from a slingshot, including a shock pellet^Found#1
  • A portal to a mountainous region which creates a strong wind, blowing a flying foe into the ceiling^Found#4
  • A pocket wormhole to a dimension of unspeakable horrors which grab a target with tentacles and pulls them in^Found#1
  • A mini black hole^Found#5
• Puts a shirt on Blastaar which electrifies him^FF-2#7
• A beam which turns any food into chocolate^F4-5#1
  • Is collapsible, turns the Vision into chocolate, and can release another beam which knocks two people out^F4#642

Other

• Potentially created a submarine^FF-2#4
• Designs the security lock on the Fantastic Four's Forever Gate^F4-6#29
• Uses a torch to cut through a wall^FF#8
• Microbots which, after infesting a person's hair through spiked shampoo, shut off the hair trimmer attempting to cut said hair and allow the Future Foundation access to the prison's security systems^Found#1
• Presumably responsible for a hypnosis headpiece which he uses on a waiter^FF-2#4
• Turned his room into a pocket dimension within which people float, and genetically engineered fire-breathing penguins^Found#5
  • This dimension was located entirely within a spaceship, with there not being a passage out when the ship in question was destroyed^Found#5
• Before the TVA intervened, would create a device which punched a hole in space-time and plunge the timeline into the outerverse^ASM#17

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#Other

• Gives the odds on various plans succeeding^F4#587
• Makes a plan to get out from being handed over to the Wizard in a court of law while taking over his resources^F4#-6#39
• Picks Victor Von Doom in a game of 20 questions, with Maximus guessing after a single question^FF-2#10
• Is a Paste Pot Pete fan^FF-2#12

"Time? Time is on my side, child. I am the end of all things. Eventually all must fall before me. No matter how hard you try."

Entropy. Heat death. The end of all things. In the Marvel universe, all these aspects take the form of a single concept, with that concept appearing before people as the Griever at the End of All Things. Knowing herself as inevitable, that doesn't stop the Griever from stepping in to ensure the eventual end will come, first doing so to the Future Foundation after they had spent years recreating the previously destroyed multiverse. In both this and a following encounter the Griever couldn't be defeated, only being persuaded to leave without any other option remaining to her. She would later make attempts on the Scarlet Witch's life, seeing her as a potential threat to her inevitable truth, but after Wanda's death failed to stick she was ultimately dispersed across time, not to reconstitute herself again for millions of years.

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#Legend

F4 - Fantastic Four (2018)

Q - Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver (2024)

SW - Scarlet Witch (2024)

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#Abstract Nature

• Is the embodiment of entropy and destruction over a physical entity in her own right^F4#27
  • She describes herself as a concept rather than anything people personify her to be^F4#27
• Lacks the ability to fix or create, with Reed initially fending her off with the threat of breaking all of her transmaterializers and leaving her stuck in a single universe^F4#3
• Exists beyond time and space^SW#2
• Can't be outright killed, with it taking a ploy for Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver to fracture her essence in a way that would cause her to not pull herself back together for a few million years^SW#4
• Due to being an intrinsic aspect of reality, the Silver Surfer expects the Ultimate Nullifier can't be used on her without undoing everything^F4#28

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#Physicals

• Breaks the moon's surface with a strike^SW#4
• Slams Wanda into the ground, breaking it^SW#4
• Punched by the Thing and Franklin^F4#3
• Hit to the ground, creating a huge dust cloud^SW#4
• Slashed up by Polaris^SW#2
• Hit by a repulsor blast^F4#27
• Struck by an energy cannon^SW#3
• Presumably unharmed by Franklin's energy blast^F4#2
• Unharmed after being wrapped by an antimatter field-cloaked Reed Richards^F4#27
• Is inside 4 Yancy Street as it has its extra dimensions deleted, folding back into itself into a small object, and breaks out soon after^F4#27
• Catches a rushing Quicksilver^SW#2

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#Abilities

Destructive

• Takes out several heroes with energy blasts^F4#3
  • Knocks an Iron Man suit out of the air^F4#27
  • Breaks a large hole through a thick wall^SW#1
  • Disintegrates Scarlet Witch^SW#1
  • Creates a blast larger than buildings^SW#4
• Destroys Vision's memory of what he saw, though she doesn't account for Viv backing up his memory^Q#4
• Claims without the restraint of the Stranger's devices she would destroy the entire Earth instead of a specific location^SW#3
• Bursts into a universe, fracturing the sky as she does so, and kills the Molecule Man by dispersing his molecules^F4#2
• Destroys universe after universe created by the Freedom Foundation as she chases them through dimensions^F4#2
  • Seemingly would destroy herself if she didn't use her equipment to escape a given universe^F4#3

Other

• Shows the Wizard a series of images^Q#2
• Shows a person the end of all things^Q#3
• Telepathically spoke to Reed while he was trying to solve how to save the universe^F4#3
• Sends Franklin crashing out of the sky with a gesture, cratering stone ground and knocking him out^F4#2
• Walks through a solid force globe made by Sue Storm^F4#27
• Creates necro-spheres and traps several heroes inside of them, exposing them to how they will most likely die^F4#28
  • A person can enter from outside and rescue the person experiencing their death^F4#28
  • When they die, they are brought back to life to re-experience the scenario again^F4#28
• Clashes with the Silver Surfer, fighting him for sixteen minutes and four seconds before winning^F4#28

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#Equipment

• Wields a sword called the Edge of Reality, which cuts through Wanda's hexes and portals^SW#4
  • Used to block Scarlet Witch's attack^SW#1
  • Blocks Quicksilver's electricity^SW#4
  • Used to travel between universes,^SW#4 with this seemingly taking the form of giant cracks in the sky^SW#1
• Has multiple transmaterializers, capable of bringing her to other realities or bringing creatures from other realities to her^F4#2
  • These may be able to transport her entire ship between dimensions, or her ship itself can jump between realities^F4#3
• Gained giant conduits from the Stranger^SW#2 which allowed her to focus her power, destroying a limited area instead of a whole planet^SW#3

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#Endlings

• Has minions known as Endlings which take hits from Black Panther, Crystal, and Medusa^F4#3
• Are said to be capable of devouring the Thing and Dragon Man given how they consumed the Molecule Man,^F4#27 though they may have needed the Griever to disintegrate him first^F4#2
• One was capable of devouring a pocket reality^SW#1
• Quickly break through Wanda's protective wards^SW#1
• Immediately break through Wanda's time-stopping spell^SW#1 due to existing outside of time and space^SW#2
• Some Endlings have wings^SW#1
• One is giant and capable of eating Wanda whole^SW#1

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#Other

• After being afflicted with Grottu's Regret and struck by Quicksilver as he rushed around the world had her essence scattered across time, allowing Wanda to fracture the remaining pieces^SW#4

#Featuring the Four Horsemen

When the Nephilim invaded Eden, in order to maintain balance, four were chosen to commit genocide against the rest of their own kind. Those four, adopting the names of War, Death, Fury, and Strife, would become known as the Horsemen. Working under a group known as the Council they would act independent of heaven and hell, carrying out the Council's wishes to ensure the balance of powers between realms remained stable. This would come to a sudden stop when six of the seven seals holding back the apocalypse were broken, and War was fooled into taking up arms and shouldering the blame for the effective extermination of humanity. Over the next century each of the Horsemen would find their own paths, gathering once more when War broke the seventh seal and brought them together to face the corrupted Council.

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#General

• All Horsemen are capable of summoning and riding their respective horses
• They can temporarily enter a larger form, making them stronger and invulnerable for the duration
• When travelling to Earth or hell the Horsemen reside in a giant fireball which creates a deep crater on impact, though it's unclear if this is their own ability or the method the Council choose to transport them

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#War

Full RT

Physicals

• Sends Tiamat flying back with a punch
• Smashes columns
• Repeatedly slams a train-sized platform into a foe, with the final hit lifting it into the air
• Catches an attack which could smash brick columns
• Shots from angels don't pierce his armour
• Causes himself and Ruin to drop before halberd- and cannon-fire can reach them

Other

• Chaoseater feeds on the havoc and carnage of battle, being able to transfer this strength to its wielder and allowing him to use his Wrath abilities
• The Tremor Gauntlet allows him to punch away a train carriage
• Glides through the air with Shadowflight
• Can have blades erupt around him

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#Death

Full RT

Physicals

• Slams the ground to break stone
• In his Reaper form, slashes apart an enormous stone head
• Moves a large pillar
• Sent flying by the shockwave of an enormous golem, smashing through a tree before hitting stone hard enough to embed him in it
• Unphased after being stabbed in the chest by War’s sword, then rips it out of his own chest
• Dodges a sniper bullet from the sound of it firing
• Blocks gunfire without looking

Other

• Harvester usually takes the form of Death's two scythes, but can take any form Death wishes it to
• Summons ghouls from the ground to attack foes
• Creates a storm of bones which wears away at stone, though he can only keep this ability up for a few moments
• With Teleport Slash Death dashes forwards with a short teleport, damaging all those in his path and healing a portion of damage dealt

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#Fury

Full RT

Physicals

• Hits Envy across a room, cratering before breaking a large hole in a wall
• Strikes Avarice back through the air and into a wall, while he was carrying a giant sack filled with various riches
• Catches Wrath's thrown sword and throws it right back at him, impaling him through his armour and sending him flying across an arena
• Has large debris fall on her with further debris breaking a hole in the floor, with her clinging onto the edge of it
• Blocks sustained gunfire from Envy's copies of Strife's guns

Other

• Scorn is Fury's spiked whip which can change into the forms of different weapons at will
• The Flame Hollow lets Fury wade through lava without injury
• The Force Hollow lets her hit a train along its tracks
• The Stasis Hollow is used to dramatically slow down large objects and enemies for a brief period of time

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#Strife

Full RT

Mercy & Redemption

• Can destroy a large bastilla with repeat hits
• Creates a large hole through a demon's chest
• Fires gravity fields which pull enemies in
• Fires ammo which can latch onto a foe before exploding shortly after or be used as a flamethrower
• Static ammo shocks and slows enemies

Other

• Shoots the leg off a demon without looking at it
• Drops a batch of mines around him
• Places a duplicate to act as a turret

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#Using the Four Horsemen on WhoWouldWin

For the most part, we see the Horsemen all acting independently of each other on their individual goals. While they do still work alongside each other on occasion, primarily through War and Death attempting to stop the truce between heaven and hell from breaking and War and Strife being sent on a mission to investigate Lucifer's actions, even then they rarely do combo attacks in favour of mowing down hordes of enemies next to each other. As such, teamwork isn't much of a factor, and you should treat them as individual opponents simultaneously facing whatever team you put them against.