u/soul_mind05

Selena is flop everywhere lets be real and she has no remarkable career and significance in either singing or acting

All selentors got is to boast about her billionaire status

First of all its all due to her beauty brand and it's obvious she has very limited role in it.

Also its funny to me how all her fans think that her net worth is how much actual money she has ,its the valuation of equity she has in the company which she cannot actually realise unless she sell her equity or her company gets liquidated.

And the company valuation keep changing every year based on it performance ,so major part of her net worth isnt significant in same manner as the selentors compare it to beibers or even some other singers like taylor or ariana whoose public net worth is not due to owning any equity shares but actual net worth through their money and property they own.

Also anyone who believes, specially selulus , bieber's net worth is still 200 million dollars is stupid cause its 200 from 2013 ???,his net worth never got updated publicly even after is hugely successful purpose tour .then when Justice shows got cancelled it would have caused easily over 100 million dollar losses out of contractual obligations you have with concert organisers and if its scooter who was managing everything Justin might owe money to him cause technically he had to reimburse .And everyone automatically assumed that he is broke cause of justice tour cancellation and money he owed to scooter ?? And then his catalogue sold at 200 million dollars ?? It was cleared by his rep statements that all the speculations were fake.

Tbh to me selena's lifestyle seems kinda way unsophisticated for a billionaire.But whatever maybe it just money cant you buy class thing for her.

And also some people were right to question that how this brand is so successful on so many platforms cause it doesnt seems that popular compared to many other beauty brands.A lot it seem to me is PR cause ,just like selenators ,selena also just has this billionaire status to stop people to call her a complete flop

As you say this how flop she is and selenators will use the billionaire card

Dont they feel ashamed that how Rare beauty does such a performative charity of 1% .like ??? One percent seriously ?? Its better you dont do charity then than this performative shit.

Selenators are so delusional ?? They think she is most famous cause she had all these bots followers even her google searches exponentially increased due to Bieber cause at one point he was most searched person from 2010-2014on google and she was alway in related searches of his name.

No but why does selena fans are still there all they do is hate on bieber and particularly hailey and farming on fake narratives they made popular all these years in Justin's hiatus years

They have worked so hard to build the net of lies to escape reality and now they are proud of themselves

On X and social media they are so loud you would think selena is some big celebrity and she is the most irrelevant one in the disney trio amd most irrelevant one in her pop contemporaries by her body of work

He biggest pop culture moments came from creating dramas and dating Justin.

I cant wait her and Taylor to finally have a fall out and both swifties and selenators tearing each other apart ..thats the only way

I know selena didnt used to have this many hardcore fans back in pre 2017 even ..its like all these fans started stanning in her lose me to love me era and then they visit her past and become proud of that

I laugh when they call her IT girl of that era ??

When was she THE IT GIRL ??

she had max 2 good years ..2014-2016 thats all

No cause how she clearly mentally abused Justin ,its even revealed he used to take anxiety pills and had anxiety issues during 2011-2012 or maybe even before and he still deals with panick attacks and anxiety we have seen that publicly not made up shit like selantors.

And despite all that she used to scream/shout at him before his performance , he revealed in a radio show that how he was complete thrown out mentally ,cause his then girlfriend screamed at him before going on stage.She even publicly slapped him.

And then she has the courage to make her whole camapaign about mental health amd people even buy that .

Just cause justin didnt use Victim Card and didnt cry by shoving a camera in front of his face.

You know from very start like everytime Selena started a drama no other celebrity came and made pubic statements regarding it and that caused selenators to be more brave with their trolling and their own made up narratives which were extremely false.

Starting from Justin and Hailey wedding ,that shit was messed up , even with start it wasnt very good cause people didnt know about Justin and Hailey past toegther ,cause they didnt choose to make public and officail despite having a long history ..so people assumed that Justin was always with selena and it was on and off and just last reunion before Jailey engagement made it even more confirmed for those ....even if no one knew whether they were actually on a.d off or was just a marketing thing all those years after 2012.

But then selena started victimising herself after Justin engagement, and used rehab thing for mental health when she is just long time drug addict and then victimised even more with "lose you to love me" and her rare album comeback ,and things started getting worse cause initially people were still like "ya celebs move fast so what "but now they are acting as Justin did some crime and oainted the Biebers as villains specailly Hailey.

selena made sure people dont move on by her album about him amd made false narrative with Ring song and people connected it from joke justin did about arranged marraige and came with a theory that he is in forced marraige with Hailey and be was still in love with selena till his marriage date. (actualy as per them he is still in love with her lmao)

First of all any decent person with ethics would criticise selena for doing this and bullying a married couple and releasing a song about a married ex is kind of unheard of bcs its wrong thing to do.

And people justified her maniacness rather than crticising her ,thats she was in long term relationship bla bla she has right to express her grief when Justin moved on in just 2 months ..cause she manipulated the narrative or used a false narrative by feeding into it and making it more popular.

Justin didnt say anything during that time and neither he called her out over her allegations about him. cause he was married and had a life and he was himself going through multiple disease and anyway all people who lynched them like vultures online wont have considered anything he said.

Once Hailey was asked about that in the podcast in 2022 , 5 years after their marraige and selena fans hated on hailey only for answering cause it was damaging their narrative and they oainted her as LIER ...you can guage how far selena had manipulated people and the narrative that just one time Hailey chose to speak against 100 times selena did ..even being the legally married wife for 5 years they discarded and hated her and not critcised selena once .

Then the Bella Hadid drama ,Bella clearly ignored her and they bullied bella and till now they live in fantasy that bella must be jealous of selena,they dont talk much about abel and bella thing cause selenators mostly loose that narrative as selena becomes the other woman in that case and thats why they still hung up on justin and hailey so they can paint hailey the other woman and homewrecker and the obsessed one with their fave.(also what homewrecker were justinamd selena married ?? Justin says Hailey is her home so many times )

Then the tiktok trend which someone assumed its about selena and by doing this act of forgiving she basically affirmed an fanmade theory and her fans are complete set of dumb loosers to understand anything.

And hailey and kendall didnt spam stories and neither Justin inserted himself in drama in the chaos meanwhile Selena was on her maniac episode of interacting with every tiktok and getting into drama as much as possible

Again with kylie and hailey eyebrow drama ,kylie just made clear once then didnt talk ever again about it.

Then the whole stalking fake documentary ,hailey and justin didnt come and post debunking stuff one by one.bcs its is so dumb then even acknowledging those stuff is embarrassing.

And in all these times selenators became braver each time and pushed whatever narrative they wanted cause they had no counter narrative no one to oppose it.

One thing they dint understand is how all of them Justin Hailey Bella Kendal and Kylie dont stoop low to selena level and thats why they dont behave like that and they should be thankful cause of all if these came at.Selana and said their side for each drama they would start crying that everyone is bullying their fave ..and no one even like selena in industry to defend her ass..if anyone would ever defend her it would be more because they hate one of these people rather than love selena.

And isnt it funny how if any one of them selulu even one time would be interpreted as using her flopass name for clout and Selena inserting in drama again and again isnt seen problematic.

Thats why selenators keep creating imaginary beef with everyone that every girl in hollywood is jealous of selena and thats how they think hailey is obsessed with her and she is copying her and justin is still in love with her .

Remember those kind of characters in shows in movies ,added as a joke , mostly middle aged women ,who past their prime and look ugly as extremely non desirable that they start start to live in fantasy that everyone is jealous of them as they are so perfect when in reality no one even think about them.Selenators are exactly them, its a veil of delusions to hide their insecurities.

Remember when Jb and selena broke up in 2012 , first of all there were no news how they broke up or whatever.. It could be a regular teenage break up it never need to be some dramatic stuff, they were not adults being in 5 year relationship, they were teeangers with barely over 1 year relationship.

Then how Selena made her revival era in 2014 all about break up with JB which actually happened in 2012..and all songs were obviously written by adult writer nothing to do with her personal life but it's very common tactic of labels to promote teen pop songs as inspired from personal events and she vaguely kept shading JB and started going far as alleging him of cheating and abuse (emotional obviously )and what not .. She never directly say all that I guess but just try to push the narrative as far as possible.

At that time JB was completely on hiatus with him working on getting sober and his team released statements about allegations that JB will gonna focus on his work and something like that??

And cause people have spotted them together in between in 2014 and after jelena break up in 2012 justin was obviously was with other girls.. People started buying her narrative

And even in 2014 just cause they met in coachella doesn't mean they met as a couple.. You could just meet your ex casually.. And the fact how many times they had allegations of PR couple as of now , their papz pics seem PR already specially that cheap airport drama where she throws bags.

I am just saying it definitely scooter and team stopped him saying anything, like there is no way he won't have said anything during the whole barbara episode but tbh it could have increased the hate so it was better he didn't .

I can see how he also seen the jelena brand as profitable and didn't wanna loose that. Like go many it may seem Justin was a global phenomenon why did he need that, but from scooter POV he was his cashcow and he always thought he kinda made JB into this brand and teen pop is very competitive and everyone seen after believe era how bad Justin suffered in media due to his actions that everyone started him writing off and that his career is over, so to him he never wanna loose that jelena brand as his safety net and that's why we always had these vague news and tabloids that they are " On and off".. JB once said in 2015 they don't really talk all that much those days kinda saying they aren't even in touch for long time.

I have a theory that Journals titletrack with music video maybe was going to be "heartbreaker" and was meant to promotes as his break up album like Selena's PR but the time around journals was finally releasing towards end of 2013 he was already with hailey as friends or whatever their relationship was at that time so he chose confident and all that matters and a blonde girl, and selena went on Twitter to express " I thought he was into letinas "lol she is embarrassing.. Cause she must have thought he should have took her look alike or some latina.. Like she used his silhouette to perform her lead single form revival ( 2 years after that break up and while hooking up with Orlando Bloom 😭😭)

And finally the whole theory that they were eon and off after 2012 in 2013-2016 seems fake as hell to me cause if they actually were how come no one ever spotted them as a couple kissing or anything, they had papz pictures but very staged and in not a single one included them kissing like they had after they actually came together in end of 2017.( which was an ugly rebound from both sides)

I remember when he said during purpose promotion for some question what inspires for music " Probably my ex girlfriend " He was almost like controlling his laugh like he is so unserious and lying and can't believe people buy this, I remember that same face when Robert Pattinson used to make while shooting of twilight that it's even I actual film. It seems to me they were over each other already in 2013 even if they dated in 2012 for real cause when selena was asked about that serenading episode in 2015oct .. She was answering like" oh ya that whatever" if she is so bored and couldn't care less and have to do for the PR shit.. They were just at that time bored of that PR themselves until JB finally revived fro selena in 2018 and she still not get bored of that lol 😂

Its been 6 years when be has done his last proper interview and somewhat a promotion in changes era ..I think he did couple of online ones in Justice era in early 2021 thats all.

And for last 5 years so many thing being assumed about him and so many BS protected onto him and how his marriage and personal life got dissected and scrutinised by everyone and we never even heard his side on any of this and not only that but the fact no one knows about him due to him not having publicly speaking about anything ,they just project anything they want .

Also dont you guys miss his funny and witty side,cause how he got one of the best personalities among celebrities and we havent seen it for so long

You know I have seen so many posts about the female popstars of different generation where they ask who had the most impact.And none of them had selena ,the big 3 of 2010s were obviously Taylor, Ariana and katy and if just about late 00s -early 2010s then also rihanna, Taylor, katy ..then it was took over by billy,olivia and sabrina , and among the disney trio only Miley was included in those posts,which is fair she is the biggest of them cultural impact wise and only one with grammys.

I have seen an insta reel about one "this or that "and someone asked sabrina or selena ,that person chose sabrina..and the whole.comment section was mad for not choosing selena ??lmao what

I was like i mean sabrina is obvious one cause how hit she is nowdays ..and no one listens to selena until she pops up in some random collab.

She is also not talented in singing or acting and as of now there are so many moments where it got revealed hoe pathetic she is ,the kidney donor thing ,harrassing bella hadid ,not supporting BLM ,going under Justin IG when he was defending racist comments ,why the hell she has fans even after all this ?? Can someone answer it ,

Ngl ,I do despise and blame Justin Bieber for all this if he didnt date her she would have never became what she is but its just not that , the worst thing he did was giving her the golden opportunity to become perpetual victim when he left her and engaged hailey after 4 months, that was the best thing he could have given her even better than actually dating her , cause I know she didnt really care about him as much shr cared about the attention she got from being with him.look I dont dislike bieber and honestly I love him for 90% of him and I know many people might not like him here ...But I just wanna say that I hate selena so much and if we are still enduring her today its 80% bcs of Justin ..and you know if he still chose to go to her after what she did with barabra ,after she blamed him for cheating to promote her album cause it carried songs about cheating ,after what she did comming under his IG to support sofia richie racists bullying ,he is just crazy and dumb to me for this ...

Why would he not be able to see how horrible of a perosn she is ?? And not just that even after everything she did and caused so much hate towards his wife he didnt expose her ass that she is manipulating the narrative ..he didnt make her shut up publicly ..on the contrary while defending hailey he literally given to these loosers what they wanted " that I always loved selena and she will always hold a special place in my heart"( i know it was an year before the song LYTLM release but still he shouldnt have done that to feed popular narrative )

He is damn crazy bro ..he indirectly helped to fuel hate against his wife and the fact no one has seen him talking in interview over half a decade they project whatever they want over him , And in his streams when he continuously talk about forgiving people ( not particularly any single person )and all that just makes me loose my mind ,if he choose to forgive someone like selena he just comoletely disrespecting his marriage,his wife and himslef at this point ....

If I was Justin I would have destroyed selena after the song about him she released after his marriage and if not then definitely after the hate train of 2023.I never really understand Justin cause one thing I know he doesnt really love selena the way people project onto him ,he never did ..and more so now he must hate her and if he doesnt hate her , i can absolutely hate him for that.and no one ever release an ex-act over an ex who has already married, has anyone done that idk ,bcs that should be criticized and how she was not criticised for that ??

Look I remember when I was very young this jelena thing being big deal among some teens i guess but I was fed up with this jelena thing even in 2015-16 and people kept it still alive ??

I was watching that podcast of hailey on Call her daddy and Hailey was asked about jelena and the interviewer says " people were obsessed with them " ( with so much emphasis on obsessed )

And I kinda found it wierd , when she made it that big a deal in an official podcast and not on some tiktok video or comment section ?

So why exactly people were so obsessed with them ( if they were )

What I mean is I have never seen Justin and Selena talking to each other in any video for even 5 minutes , I mean there is literally no interview of them with each other , so people can never know what was their dynamics.

I have never seen them in any official collab project , a music video ( like senorita from shawn-camila) , any show ,any advertisement?? Like for which you see people ship co-actors of movie or show and thats common , but here you dont even have that

So not a single interview together , not single music video /show /movie/advertisement/ or brand collab campaign ..literally nothing

All they had were papz pictures ( which could be easily staged ) ,their seperate interviews about each other during their respective album promotions( which could be written by publicists) thats all ??And the random Insta posts of Justin which used to be mostly throwbacks in later 2014-16 which could also be for just for marketing and keep the jelena thing alive in people's mind

And all that led people buy their romance ?? That made Jelena the romance of their dreams ?? Lol

I mean look shipping real life people is cringe , but if I see people shipping tomdaya in 2016-2019 ,i could see the reason you see their dynamics in 100 interviews, they were co-actors in such big franchise playimg love intersts ..you can get the idea of not just how they look but also how they behave as a couple.

But not gonna lie for Jelena to be this big a deal they literally have nothing.They are epitome of a PR couple ," Jelena" was just sold like a product for tabaloids and teen magz.

Or maybe thats why people were so obsessed because , Jelena was only sold as the IDEA of some dramatic but ideal young couple and people were in love with the idea of them cause they never saw " them "!!!The one video you see where selena is in back stage and thanking evryone in her concert i guess ,and Justin is completely zoned out as if he cant wait to get out from there and she didnt even look at him for a second and neither acknowledged him,poor Justin ( what a romantic ideal couple 😂) this was their reality

Imagine if people watched this for even 10 minutes of interview their act would have blown out , Like if they actually collaborated for some project and they had to give interviewz ,I think then and there people would have got over them and that's one of reason we never saw them together-together on any platform.

Also personally I dont think people on general were that obsessed over Jelena in those days tbh ,the way I see it Justin's popularity kept it in news initially as there were many teen pop drama as popular as them even at that time , harry styles taylor ,miley-liam ,miley selana feud , and selena wanted to always talk about it so not let it die ,people were just made to think that it was so big when it wss not.

Honestly the biggest it ever became is after Justin marriage and when selena decided to use her teen relationship for her album even after the guy's marriage ,cause then from teen popgossip it became a trope of daily soap opera for many middle aged women to get invested ,I have seen so many middle to old aged women into this is so embarrassing , to them its Selena-Hailey fighting for a man and this is like a trope of million soap operas ..and Hailey is easier to project as the villain of this story due to popular narrative.Like nowhere jelana was as big in 2011-14 as it is on tiktok from 2020-2025

Also on personal note I never found Justin and Selena a good couple( even if it was PR ) cause selena always looked 7-10 years older than Justin who looked like a child, especially their one less lonely performance ,its cringe and they didnt match asthetically look wise and other than that , everything which was done to promote them looked cheesy and corny to me ,nothing ever looked authentic and romantic.And ya you could just tell how their personalities have nothing in common ,Justin used to be very witty and funny when he just came and he was his realest self ,Selena was that typical goody two shoes but appeared very dumb to me and it was obvious she is pick me ,attention seeker and fake

Look as a friends fan I absolutely love each one of Freinds cast although i dont know much about thek personally ,but I absolutely hate selena and I just cant understand why does Jen likes selena so much , and if its for reason that she associate herslef with selena due to what bradd did to her ,it is so unfair ..cause jelena and jailey is nowhere similar to jen-brangelina drama except for the fact how media treated them.

Selena twisted the narrative to her own benfit and pretended that her and justin were a really long tim relationship when they were just two year old relationship majorly for PR and then Justin and Hailey were already involved with each other since 2013-2014 and Justin later post his marraige revealed that he was going through hard time during hsi purpose tour due to his break up with Hailey .

Over that jen and brad were married and being martied to jen brad got involved with angelina and even got her pregenant ..it was clear infedility ,when in Justin case he wrapped thing with selena ( even when it wasnt something serious they were just hanging out amd doing drugs for couple of months) and then went yo the girl he was missing so much for over a year ( his words) .

I wish Jen had made better judgements or who knows she is also a problematic person ,the reel of her with selulu and blanco and her always talking about friendship with selena makes me not like her for some reason , recently hailey posted about this quiz where she was rachel as per the quiz and then seleul stans talked how hailey is obsessed cause she postimg about jen after the reel ...i mean jennifer is a real person and rachel is a character ,hailey was talking about the character ,I dint know how selulu stans gatekeeping show characters now

Look as a Friends fan I absolutely love each one of Friends cast although i dont know much about them personally ,but I absolutely hate selena and I just cant understand why does Jen likes selena so much , and if its for reason that she associate herself with selena due to what bradd did to her ,it is so stupid ..cause jelena and jailey is nowhere similar to jen-brangelina drama except for the fact how media treated them.

Selena twisted the narrative to her own benfit and pretended that her and justin were a really long time relationship when they were just two year old relationship majorly for PR and then Justin and Hailey were already involved with each other since 2013-2014 and Justin later post his marraige revealed that he was going through hard time during hsi purpose tour in 2016-17 due to his break up with Hailey .

Over that jen and brad were married and while being martied to jen brad got involved with angelina and even got her pregenant ..it was clear infedility ,when in Justin case he wrapped thing with selena ( even when it wasnt something serious they were just hanging out amd doing drugs for couple of months) and then went to the girl he was missing so much for over a year ( his words) .

I wish Jen had made better judgements or who knows she is also a problematic person ,the reel of her with selulu and blanco and her always talking about friendship with selena makes me not like her for some reason , recently hailey posted about this quiz where she was rachel as per the quiz and then seleul stans talked how hailey is obsessed cause she postimg about jen after the reel ...i mean jennifer is a real person and rachel is a character ,hailey was talking about the character ,I dint know how selulu stans gatekeeping show characters now

Look I listened to all his songs during changes and Justice but I was too busy in my own life with college stuff to even pay attention what happening in pop-online communities

But I have heard in recent times that he was very hated in those times in 2019-2022 even later on, like he was always hated but why it was so high at that time. if anyone of you were active in those days what it was like and what exactly were the reasons?