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You don’t realise until you put things into perspective, but not just in Bleach, out of many of the animanga, ichigo is probably one of the best representation of pure stats merchant, quite literally beating everyone with getsugas

There’s a saying that in professions where people die young, watch out for those who lived to old age, well the same goes for him: in a world where everyone has some sort of hax, watch out for this mf with just stats

An even bigger scale reiatsu attack from a sk yhwach who's absorbed Ichigo+ss power and stronger than before btw. Orihime is now being discussed to be top 5 by some just for blocking yhwach, yet people will ignore this feat and scale aizen below Ichibe(sankt Bogen victim) despite even better stats and hax

Round 1 shikai unohana

Round 2 Bankai unohana

Round 1 individually vs shinigami Aizen without ks

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Round 2 with ks

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Round 3 all teamed up against shinigami Aizen with ks

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If possible give out comparison for their raw stats scaling

I keep seeing people mention this safwy thing without scan provided so I decided to check myself, as I read the book years ago don't remember such confirmation. This is the best passage that fits and I must say, is this really what people are using as basis? Are we using the word "confirmation" so loosely right now?

Granted this isn't an official translation, but what do you guys think? At the very least, the word "predicted" means it was just an estimation made way before the monster/butterfly aizen vs Ichigo fight, as azashiro would have no accurate knowledge of Aizen's evolved forms?

Look, it's ok if people have different opinions, but I just genuinely can't get by with how some scale things. Call me Aizen glazer or whatever, look at these discourses I had from recently and tell me they are good ways to scale.

1. "Base Yhwach is not stupid enough to release Aizen if he can't win against him so he must be able to beat aizen, because he must not be that dumb so what he said is true"

2. "What yhwach said about true shikai Ichigo not wanting to kill him is not true, because there is no reason Ichigo would hold back against him, so by not getting injuries from TS Ichigo base yhwach is just as strong. But what yhwach said about being able to kill aizen must be true"

3. "Base yhwach only grinned when he realised he fell into Aizen's ks, which means aizen posted no threat to him"

4. "Cfyow said Aizen could win against hikone only if he wanted to while zaraki low diffed hikone. So zaraki is stronger than aizen."(Talking about the 5 war potentials which btw zaraki is also ranked above Ichibe)

Seen so many false/weird chain scaling coming from his statement. There is nothing in Base Yhwach's arsenal that remotely rivals SK Yhwach himself's full on reiatsu wave, and a full absorption of your entire being, with stats at an all time high after absorbing ichigo's and elite sternritters' powers, yet Aizen has survived both.

You genuinely cannot name one thing Base Yhwach can do that could've sure kill Aizen, even sankt altar his best chance is iffy given Aizen's hax. Mf didn't even know or realise how KS works and that he's in it, he is not a credible source.

This is not even counting Bleach Ex. Officially confirming Base Yhwach has no way of killing Aizen, which would've solved so many scaling issues regarding this topic. Like no, Yamamoto is not anywhere near later forms of Hogyoku Aizen, Ichibe does not have comparable raw stats either his fat ahh got injured by a single Sankt Bogen from Base Yhwach

Bankai changes with the users' growth/changes, especially in mentality

Tosen's bankai is all about having others experience blindness, and to be powerless against outside force, which may be due to the fact that he himself experienced powerless against injustice before

But eitherway, all changed the moment he gained sight through ressurection, and likely his mentality the second he called sajin ugly, and continued acting like a power hungry maniac. This happens quite often, with Lille being another example. Nothing is specifically stated, but you can tell there is clearly something different about them, the way they act, speak or think.

I genuinely don't think Tosen is able to use the same bankai he has as a shinigami. Too much has changed both physically and mentally when he gained ressurection

Asking because once in a while I'll see some takes like "he beat Yammy the strongest espada with Zaraki, and was shown to rival zaraki himself, so he should at least already be reaching XXX levels of strength", then it branches out to other conversations like tybw characters chainscaling, or just him being able to beat other characters at the top espadas level

But we never actually saw how the fight goes, so that always leads to several other problems, not to make the post too long I won't list all out here, but eitherway want to know how and where do y'all scale him? Mid espadas level? Top?

UNMASKED databook:

"Ayon's El Martillo ability increases the thickness, mass, and destructive power of his right arm by more than 2x. It also changes his personality as it makes him fiercer. This technique is Ayon's version of the Arrancars' Resurreccion."

YES, Quilge does easily beat it and some other characters with higher stats with his Sklaverai and schrifts the jail, but I don't want to ever hear about glaze to this man's stats again, or to some other mid tier sternritters for that matter as well, or some "Ayon is top espadas level" bs

Not even getting into the possibility that by the nature of reiatsu functioning basics, tres Bestias being already heavily injured when summoning Ayon likely made this Ayon weaker than it should be