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I’m thinking about the avatar state and the stored power of it. Kind of blending the way OFA works in MHA with Avatar logic here but genuinely curious if it’s spoken about in expanded media.

Is the avatar state just the current avatar and Raava sharing all the power of one another?

Or does the avatar state pull from the power of all the previous avatars and Raava and the current avatar to create a more powerful state?

Obviously the current avatar can communicate with all the spirits that are still inside them for knowledge. But does there presence affect the avatar state in anyway?

how is everyone feeling about it 😊

Another piece of cover art for the Avatar fanfiction, Reign of the Fire Lady Dowager (https://archiveofourown.org/works/29222730/chapters/71753331) by SnakeStaff! (A dark AU in which Ursa, instead of being banished, kills Ozai to save Zuko.) This one comes from the later show-era part of the story.

Again, just love the complexity of the storytelling and character portrayals in this story, can’t recommend it highly enough.

(Cover 1 here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ATLA/comments/1reihyp/reign_of_the_fire_lady_dowager_oc_fanart/)

Source: https://x.com/tenartistt/status/2056888640316330230

I think having Kakashi be a lightning bender makes sense, but I think not having him be an earthbender is a huge fumble thematically. But these are great.

Both of these franchises were supposed to get a movie, but (both were so bad) both ended up vanishing in thin air like they never existed.

Aang going to fight the firelord but being beaten because he forgot his math test had me rolling

Greg Baldwin was so cool to talk to, he was also giving anyone a hug if they asked for one too lol

I made these in microsoft paint while i was bored. They are most likely not completely canon-accurate.

The hoi4 mod seemes to abandoned so this is probably fine ig. Check it out here

Also i don't know any mandarin and/or chinese script so if any of this means smth bad/stupid, sry in advance.

Also also never watched korra completely tbh so sry bout that.

Just curious on the strawpoll below on who's got the most hype behind them that's not yet been revealed

https://strawpoll.com/Qrgew8M2ryp

Quick Note: This is a respectful, lore-based tactical analysis. Healthy debate and opposing opinions are welcome in the comments, but please keep it civil, respectful, and toxic-free. Let’s discuss the show with facts, not insults! (Thank you)💖

On this specific point, Azula's writing is 100% logical, given her background as a military genius. She never improvises. She applies a surgical learning method to exploit her opponents' weaknesses.

Here's how she learned to defeat earthbenders in a purely logical way:

1. The Logic of Opposing Martial Arts Styles

The lore of Avatar is based on real martial arts. Azula understands the physics of these movements:

Earthbenders' Weakness (Hung Gar): Earthbenders have low, heavy, and fixed stances. They draw their strength from being grounded.

Azula's Counter (Chaquan): Azula's style is based on agility, speed, and circular attacks. She uses a simple physical principle: total mobility beats immobility. She remains constantly in the air or in motion so that earthbenders never have a fixed target to aim at.

2. Exploiting Blind Spots (Seismic Vision)

Even against Toph, Azula's tactical logic works:

Toph needs her opponent to be in contact with the ground to "see" them.

During Black Sun, Azula spends her time wall-running, jumping, and using temporary footholds. By limiting her heavy contact time with the ground, she logically disrupts Toph's perceptions. This is pure, real-time tactical analysis.

3. Shattering Rock with Thermal Concentration (Lightning)

Earthbenders protect themselves behind dense rock walls. Conventional fire crashes against stone. Azula has learned a specific technique to counter this:

Physical logic: Lightning is a release of pure, ultra-concentrated energy.

By channeling lightning, Azula doesn't seek to burn the stone; she creates a thermal shock and pressure so intense that earth shields literally shatter. She uses the science of her own element to annihilate the opposing defense. 1. Against Aang: Exploiting his peaceful nature and overloading his senses

Aang is the most powerful, but Azula uses her background as a tactician to logically neutralize him:

Aang's weakness: He uses airbending defensively to dodge, flee, and stall. He refuses to kill.

Azula's tactic: She maintains maximum and ultra-fast offensive pressure. Her blue flames are hotter and more compressed than normal fire. This forces Aang to remain in a permanent defensive position (behind air or rock shields).

The finishing blow (At Ba Sing Se): She understands the physics of the Avatar state. The moment Aang channels all his cosmic energy and rises into the air (a fixed and vulnerable target during his transition), she doesn't wait for him to finish his transformation. She applies raw military logic: strike the enemy at the precise moment of his recharge. She fires a lightning bolt at his back.

2. Against Katara: Breaking the Flow of Water

Katara is a major threat because water can extinguish fire.

The Physics of Waterbending: Waterbending requires large, fluid, and circular movements to redirect energy. Katara needs time to change the state of water (from liquid to ice).

Azula's Tactics: Azula uses explosive, short-range attacks. She uses her feet and hands like fire daggers to cut Katara's waterbending trajectories before they gain momentum. At the end of season 2, Azula overpowers Katara by intercepting her waterbending with direct thermal discharges that instantly evaporate the water.

3. Against Zuko: Technical Superiority and Psychological Contempt

Zuko is her brother; she knows his martial arts forms by heart. Zuko's weakness: For a long time, Zuko's fire is fueled by anger, making him erratic, predictable, and impatient.

Azula's tactics: She remains cool, calculating, and uses feints. She executes the traditional Chaquan style flawlessly, while Zuko forces his movements. She also uses psychological warfare by calling him a "loser," which increases Zuko's anger and destroys his martial precision. (This dynamic reverses during the final duel: when Azula becomes enraged, her movements become erratic, and Zuko, now calm, logically defeats her.) Isn’t it obvious that the creators of Avatar literally explained that they wanted Azula to be a highly logical, tactical, and intensely trained character? Everything she does is based on strategy, discipline, and intelligence. It’s all shown clearly right in front of us throughout the series. I genuinely don’t understand how some people can miss that when the show constantly demonstrates why she is so effective. Her abilities and victories are not random or unrealistic they are the direct result of her training, mindset, and tactical thinking. Azula’s feats do not make her a Mary Sue because striking Aang down in thirty seconds was simply the logical outcome of a tactical sneak attack from behind while her opponent was completely stationary and vulnerable in deep concentration. There is absolutely no Mary Sue writing or plot armor in her flawless dodging during the solar eclipse either. Even when her prodigy firebending skills were temporarily gone, her survival was the direct result of her intense lifelong military conditioning, elite physical agility, and brilliant psychological manipulation to waste her enemies' time. Her competence is entirely grounded in strict training and realistic strategy rather than effortless perfection or unearned narrative protection. And also she didn't even defeat the avatar...

Here's the logical explanation for why Azula didn't actually "defeat" Aang:

1. It wasn't a fight, it was an execution shot.

In reality, Aang wasn't fighting her at that moment. He was levitating, completely still, with his eyes closed, 100% focused on opening his chakras to enter the Avatar State.

Azula simply took advantage of his defenseless and distracted state to strike him in the back with lightning.

It's an excellent sniper strategy, but it doesn't prove she was stronger than the Avatar.

2. A temporary defeat negated by magic.

Technically, Azula's shot killed Aang and broke the cycle of reincarnation. However, this "victory" was immediately negated by Katara using the spirit water from the Spirit Oasis. Aang survived, the Avatar State was blocked but not destroyed, and Azula failed to permanently eliminate her target.

3. The Series Finale as Proof

The true test of strength took place during Sozin's Comet. As soon as Aang accidentally unlocked his Avatar State against Fire Lord Ozai (Azula's father, who is a far more powerful firebender than her):

Ozai was completely crushed within minutes.

If Azula had faced Aang head-to-head in that same Avatar State, she would have suffered the exact same fate.

In short, Azula scored a tactical point by surprise, but she never dominated or defeated the Avatar in a duel of power. It was a successful underhanded tactic, nothing more. So please, I hope this helps you understand my point better. Anyways, have a great day everyone.😊👋