r/AglaeaMains

Hello sirs

My current Aglaea team consists of E6S1 Aglaea / E1S1 Sunday / E2S1 Cyrene / E2S0 DHPT or E6S0 RMC or E1S1 Tribbie. I do not own Hyacine / MBlade.

I understand that you probably need E6 SRobin in order to clear plight - but I am not currently prepared to invest another 8 costs into the team. In that case, what should be the appropriate level of investment?

Hello, fellow Aglaea fans.

I am torn among three separate paths and I wanted your input.

Currently, I have enough pulls to potentially get E2 Himeko Nova (assuming I win my second 50:50).

However, I am unsure as to whether I should save those pulls for Robin SP (for my Aglaea) or for Ashveil (for my M! Blade).

I know that Robin is a big buff to Aglaea, but I am wondering if it's enough of a buff to make my Aglaea team relevant (my Aglaea is only E0S0) or if I should invest in some teams that are already relevant (Himeko and Blade).

Help?

For context I've got Aggy sitting at E2S1 and Cyrene E0S0

I'm running Aggy with Cyrene/RMC and DHPT and was wondering if she was that much of an upgrade over RMC, I'm on my 50/50 and I really want to get Ashveil (since he's SUPPOSEDLY rerunning soon)

I own E1S1 Aggy and I run her with my E2S1 Cyrene and E1 S5 DDD Tribbie

I'm definitely getting E0 Summer Robin but can't tell if it's worth getting her E1 due to true damage not being recorded

I feel like so much of her E1's power budget gets wasted with E2 Cyrene or E1 Tribbie

Do I still go for E1 with her?

Hey, all! I want to keep improving my Aglaea team as much as possible, and 4.5 is a doozy when it comes to pulls.

My current team is definitely weak, as I saved from 4.0 onwards for Himeko Nova. It's Aglaea E1S1 + RMC E6S0 + Cyrene E0S0 + Preservation Aventurine E0S0. I was going to pull Robin SP until they announced the reruns and I saw Hyacine is rerunning again. I'm thinking of prioritizing her so I can run a monorem Aglaea team, and I know my performance will be lacking without Robin, but I've never been a 0-cycler. In fact, it was only this patch I managed to get all stars in all endgame modes and unlock AA.

I'd appreciate any tips and advice for further investment!

I'm seeing a lot of questions with regards to speed w/ regards to Aglaea and S. Robin, so I wanted to start a different thread to talk about it, as well as go over speed thresholds you might want to get to w/ Aglaea.

Reasons why Aglaea SPD requirements changed

1. Buff duration - RMC and Sunday's buffs were based on Aglaea's turns, so if Aglaea took too many turns in between the action advancer, her buffs fell off. Robin's buffs are on 100% of the time.
2. Not 100% action advance - This is a big one. Because Sunday's advance is on his turn, any speed setting for Aglaea that was not more than twice his speed led to the same number of turns. If Sunday had 150 SPD, any Aglaea spd from base speed all the way to 300 spd still only resulted in 2 Aglaea turns between each Sunday turn, so no point.
   • In contrast, because Robin's AA is on her ult, we control when Aglaea advances, so we can guarantee a 100% action advance every time with no wasted AV.
3. Vibe stacking - finally, a large portion of Robin's buffs and energy generation rely on vibe stacks. The more vibe stacks she has, the stronger her buffs. Vibes are generated by allies taking actions, so the more actions taken, the more vibes you get.

Speed Thresholds

Unfortunately, because of how base speed works, now that we're building for more speed Aglaea's S1 becomes significantly more important. Some speed thresholds are just impossible without it.

1. Aglaea
   • If Aglaea is E0S0 - stay at base speed. You would sacrifice too many crit substats to get to the next speed threshold, especially since we no longer get the free 20% CR from Sunday.
   • If Aglaea has S1 and is less than E4 - 266.7 speed fully buffed. That's not as scary as it looks.
     • This is 148.14 SPD out of combat as long as someone has the Amphoreus planar, and Aglaea is in the hero set.
     • On average, this is SPD boots + ~4 speed substats.
   • If Aglaea is E4S1 and/or if you have multiple other sources of speed (Robin S1, Huohuo E1, oldRobin E2, Hyacine E2, etc) - 300 speed fully buffed
     • At E4S1 + Robin S1, you only need speed boots and 1-2 speed subs to hit this.
     • 141.6 SPD out of combat in this setup.
   • If Aglaea is E6S1 and you have other sources of SPD. 320 speed fully buffed
2. Robin - Since Robin doesn't need to build anything except speed and hp, we can be harder on the speed thresholds.
   1. No S1
      • 148.2 SPD - 4 bird attacks in cycle 0 of MoC Wave 2
      • 154.2 SPD - 7 bird attacks in AA cycle 0
      • 160 SPD - 3 bird attacks in cycle 0 of MoC Wave 1, 4 attacks in cycle 0 of Wave 2
      • 185.3 SPD - 5 bird attacks in cycle 0 of MoC Wave 2
   2. With S1
      • 184.1 SPD - 9 bird actions in AA cycle 0
      • 185.3 SPD - 5 bird attacks in cycle 0 of MoC Wave 2

I would like to have some guidance on whether to pull Robin or not. I mainly use the usual mono-rem team. Castorice E2S1, Evernight E1S1, Cyrene and Hyacine E0S1. I would love to also use Aglaea so I was wondering how would the mono-rem team look like and also Aglaea's. I have Sunday, HuoHuo, Robin. Can I use Aglaea's team while also keeping Castorice's team strong?

Thank you in advance

TLDR

• Summer Robin is BiS for any and all investment levels of Aglaea.
• What do I mean by BiS? Basically, if you show me any current Aglaea team, I can point to at least one member who could be replaced by a same cost S. Robin, or cheaper, and do much better.
  • I am specifically maintaining cost parity in case someone asks if E0S0 S.Robin is better than their AEON E6S5 Cyrene.
• E0S0 S. Robin is around 20-30% stronger than E1S1 Sunday with my testing.

PROS

• Fairly cheap upgrade out the gate. E0S0 will already get you great results.
• Amazing vertical investment all the way thru E6
• Better energy generation than Sunday
• Strong general teamwide buffs.
• Basically RMC Promax
• Unlocks additional teams
• Only cares about speed and HP%

CONS

• Ramps Aglaea's speed stacks much slower than Sunday in non-Cyrene teams.
• Fewer action advances than Sunday.
• E1 does not play well with True Damage, specifically Cyrene.
• Requires Aglaea to build some speed again.
• S.Robin's energy econ is heavily nerfed in sustainless teams.
• Only cares about speed and HP%

GEAR

• 4pc Deliverer + 2pc Amphoreus planar would be default for Aglaea's teams.
• 2pc2pc SPD also works if you need to hit a specific speed threshold.
• Speed Breakpoints:
  • Aglaea
    • 266.7 SPD fully buffed - 4 EBAs in 2nd wave of MoC
    • 300 SPD fully buffed - 3 EBAs between Aglaea ults.
  • SP Robin
    • with S1: 185.3 for 5 bird attacks in 2nd MoC Wave and 9 bird attacks in first cycle of AA
    • without S1: 185.3 for 5 bird attacks in 2nd MoC wave. 148.2 for 4 bird attacks in 2nd MoC wave. 154.2 for 7 bird attacks in first AA cycle.
• FTP LC Options: Herta shop LC (for speed bonus) or Story's Next Page (for Atk bonus). I don't believe Victory in a Blink works because it requires memosprites using their skill on an ally.

TEAMS

• In my testing there are 2 teams that rose to the top
  • Aglaea - S. Robin - Cyrene - DHPT/Hyacine
  • Aglaea - S. Robin - Mortenax Blade - Hyacine
• With Robin E0
  • The Cyrene team is better than the Blade team the longer the fight goes. If you 0-cycle, Mortenax is better, if you 3+ cycle, Cyrene team is better by a large margin.
  • At E2 Cyrene vs E2 Mortenax, Cyrene is better.
• With Robin at E1+
  • Robin E1 disproportionally helps out Mortenax Blade teams because her E1 does not record the extra true damage that Cyrene's zone generates.
  • With Aglaea at E1 and everyone else at E0, Mortenax' team is better.
  • With Robin at E1 and everyone else at E2, both teams are roughly on par.
  • With everyone at E2 the Blade team pulls slightly ahead.
  • Further investment just widens the gap.
• That said, if you already have a well-invested Cyrene, I would not pull an extra 6 cost or whatever to get Mortenax and Hyacine, the difference between the two teams is not THAT worth it. If you had that 6 cost to spare, just level your Robin to E6 instead.
• Also, in the Mortenax Blade team, you'll want to build more speed on Aglaea, as losing ult state really sets her back a LOT. I would try to hit 300 SPD for Aglaea in a well-invested MortB team.
• Other teams are fine and work alright, but are a tier below the teams above. All the teams below perform within a few % points of each other.
  • Aglaea - S.Robin - E1 Gilgamesh - HuoHuo
  • Aglaea - S.Robin - E1/E2 OldRobin - HuoHuo
    • Bonus note. The song that plays is whichever plays last
  • Aglaea - S.Robin - E1 Tribbie - sustain

INVESTMENT

• E1 is crazy good. Tribbie E1 good. Yes, even in a Cyrene team.
• E2 is also really good. The res-pen is nice, but because of joint attacks and Garmentmaker, Aglaea stacks vibes faster than probably any other unit in the game with E2, which means maximum buffs a larger proportion of the time.
• S1 is great, but the eidolons are more important
• Mortenax Team investment path:
  • Aglaea E1 -> Aglaea S1 -> Robin E1 -> Robin E2 -> Aglaea E2 -> MortB E1 -> MortB E2 -> Robin S1 -> Hya S1 -> Hya E1 -> Hya E2 -> Robin E6 -> Aglaea E6 -> Hyacine E6 -> MortB E6
• Cyrene Team investment path:
  • Aglaea E1 -> Aglaea S1 -> Cyrene E2 -> Robin E1 -> Robin E2 -> Aglaea E2 -> Cyrene S1 -> Robin S1 -> Hya/DHPT S1 -> Hya/DHPT E1 -> Hya/DHPT E2 -> Robin E6 -> Aglaea E6 -> Cyrene E6 -> Hya/DHPT E6
• Expected Performance from my testing:
  • At full E0S0, expect to do 4ish cycles in a favorable starward MoC stage
  • At Aglaea E1S1, Robin E1, Mort/Cyrene at E2, you should be able to start trying to 0-cycle favorable MoC stages
  • At full E2S1, you should be able to 0-1 cycle King in check.
  • At E6S1 Aggy, E6S1 Robin, E2 MortB, E2 Hya you should be able to clear Plight.

YAP

Our savior is nigh! As I mentioned above, S. Robin is pretty much our new best in slot action advancer, with fewer advances, but more energy and a ton more buffs.

I'm a little irritated that Robin doesn't play well with Cyrene's buffs, and I wish that Robin's E1 damage wasn't true damage and was some other type of damage that could play well with true damage. I'm also more irritated that the Mortenax Blade team is basically the AshBlade team except you replaced Ashveil with an arguably worse unit, but we're in Aglaeamains so nyeeeeah.

Regardless, I'm pulling for at least E0S0 this patch to replace my E1S1 Sunday, with the expectation of pulling to at least E2S1 since I'm not pulling for any other teams for the rest of this patch cycle.

Also, there's still the cope of a Sunday novaflare, so if you're still hoping for Chicken Wing boy to rise up like a phoenix, maybe wait until the last day of Robin's banner. We've been regularly getting new free units every even patch, so I would not be surprised if we get a novaflare + selector announcement at some point. Yes, we didn't get a novaflare announcement after Pearl's drip marketing, but they have delayed novaflare announcements before.

I know robinsp is bis for aglaea so how good is robins E2 and her S1 for aglaea teams?