r/AllThingsTerran

Fellow Zerg and Terran players, I would want to have your opinion on how the matchup was before and after the hotfix.

What do you love, hate, find strange, difficulties, etc.

As a Terran player I'll start by saying that at first before the hotfix it felt like Zerg had an infinite amount of units and that I needed to do some decent damage just to get equal with the Zerg.

Also Zergs all-in felt really brutal and close to impossible to defend.

Still after playing a little bit I became accustomed to this and with some solid diversion and multi prong attacks I managed to get some wins.

The matchup did feel a little bit overtuned for Zerg but it wasn't as bad as I thought at first.

Now after the hotfix, I have won all my TvZs and I don't think it's because of the hotfix though it helped for sure. It's just that I'm now more familiar with the 8 worker change. Also, when I do some decent harass I finally feel that I got a little bit ahead and not simply almost getting even with the Zerg. I will say that now getting a kill with a reaper is hard especially since everyone now plays pool first or at least most of the Zergs. All-ins are still pretty brutal though especially roach ones as they have more than me compared to the 12 workers start

I would like everyone to stay polite and not insult the other race as we are all part of the same beautiful game.

Before I start, I just want to say that I really dislike what Blizzard has become these days. However, I think some of us are too harsh on them. I'm not saying they are making good decisions but I think it's a step in the right direction.

Firstly, they have started supporting the game way more than before where some of us even thought there would be no more updates(it could be argued that it would be better if they didn't do these changes at all) .

Secondly, they are listening to our feedback. People thought that Zerg lacked larva in the start of a game in the 8 worker start so they gave them more larva.

Warp gate on a gateway wasn't good so they listened to the community and they put it back on the cyber core.

The queen cost reduction was too much so they reverted it.

The reaper arrived too early so they increased it's production time.

People were wondering if they would continue to update or leave it for 6 months and in the hotfix they clearly stated that they will continue to update until it is stabilized.

Now not all these changes were good or they were due to the changes Blizzard made in the first place but still we can't say they don't listen to us as this is simply not true.

In conclusion, I think that these changes were not that good for the game and that they weren't well thought out.

So people have reacted and voiced their complaints and fears.

However, I think some of us have gone too far by saying that Blizzard is stupid, that they don't listen to fee1dback and that they want to kill the game, etc.

I'll admit that these communication wasn't always superb (to say the least) but I think that we should stay reasonable and give constructive and helpful feedback.

For example, I feel that Blizzard should communicate better by either making a post about their exact opinions or a general form about peoples opinion on the new patch.

That's all, if you made it this far I thank you very much and just want people to remember to stay constructive so we can make our game be in it's best possible state.

But it does seem to be extremely hard to beat them...

Replay: https://drop.sc/replay/27377785

So for context, I'm a Terran player who just hit diamond right before the new patch got live.

I don't pretend that I'm a good player who knows the game well(I still make so stupid mistakes or forget to macro) but I feel at my level that zerg is now harder to beat than before. It is maybe a good thing as zerg was maybe a little weak before but I feel that now the effort that a Terran needs to beat a zerg is now way higher than what a zerg needs to do.

In this replay, I used Pig's B2GM guide from 2021 and his diamond build order (modified the start to fit with the worker change). I feel that my early game was pretty godd killed 2 drones with a reaper then a lot more drones with a 4 hellion dive and then a little bit of drones with my multi-prong harass of lib-hellion. In the previous patch, I would now 100% be way ahead of my opponent but now it just felt that I was a little bit ahead. The game then transitioned into a long macro game where I could really fight his army head on so I used drops to tear him apart.

And honestly at my level I could almost always win easily with a frontal push after this good of an early game but now it wasn't possible. This was probably on of my best TvZs ever played (yeah I know I suck and this wasn't even that good) and after the game I was sure I defeated an opponent 100mmr higher than me.

But no he was exactly my mmr. The thing is that I feel that now I need to put way more effort and strategy to defeata zerg of my level on this (if I would use random numbers I would say the ratio of effort is 65 to 35 for the terran). Now I understand that will help me get better and I already see that I'm improving but I just feel that it is a little bit unfair now (yes maybe before zerg was i this situation and now I just get to feel what they felt for multiple patches).

If this was a standard macro game and my harass was mediocre, I would say that it was a fair game but now that it took me so much effort to defeat the zerg after my good early game, I feel that it is not fair. Also, I was also luck that my opponent didn't use ultras or infestors or I would have been cooked even with my good early.

So basically I just want to know if people agree with me or if you could point out that I was mistaken and that my early game was shit, that I missed my opportunity to kill him or that my multi-prong was ass, etc.

It seems like Protoss just spams out stalkers and zealots. I can’t beat it. Just waves of zealots seem to crush everything for me. What should I work on? What builds should I focus on? I hold my own against the other two races but Protoss destroys me.

Ok so zerg feels unbeatable now, at least to me in my noob diamond mmr.

What's the plan? How to play this matchup now?

Hello,

I'm rather new to the game and I started playing with terran, I love how they look and feel so I think I will stick to it. I like to play games with a competitive mind and try to reach as high as I can. When I look to high elo strategies for terran (I know this is for later but I want to make sure I commit to a race with a playstyle i'll like), all I see is bio with a lot of micro and while micro, timings and harrass looks very interesting to learn i fear that this playstyle may become very repetitive in the long run. Are other strategies or unit compositions viable in high elo ? And is there a hidden variety in Bio builds that I can't see now ?

(sry for my english, not a native speaker)

Hoping to create a thread for user to post build orders for the new patch