are you, like me, slowly starting to piece together the fact that the fbi took over because this def bleeds into the organized crime vs. feds scenario?

i am writing this to convey a point to those who may not want to realize that this scenario is quite real and highly probable. i used to think this angle was a stretch. but after i put two and two together, i can’t see it any other way. the soap-opera fan fiction theories people are writing strike me as crass. but i love to hear them nonetheless.

the actual case is hard to make sense of from any angle that the public can see. every interview and investigation and piece of evidence or reasoning is odd and incomplete. legitimately, every single one. it seems to me like fbi may have ripped the wheel away too soon, or local LE sort of called it quits and slowed down once the feds showed up.

don’t be like me and fool yourself into thinking what we’re seeing is what we’re getting. this has almost certainly been investigated far more thoroughly and far more privately than we’re allowed to know. it says it in the documents. the federal investigation took over. key witnesses are on record with incomplete truths. public statements are minimal and worded weirdly, likely at the direction of attorneys or authorities. the individuals discussed here have long since been investigated — some probably vetted and quietly cooperating with feds, trading evidence or truths for protection or immunity. if you read into it, you’ll see.

here’s what i think happened: the fbi separated the case because they were already onto a large organized crime ring, who was the cross-point there I’m not sure. but the crime ring includes people arrested between 2023 and 2025, some of which i’m sure may have been involved in this 4 case. the “lone crazed man” story falls apart too quick. even if he was involved or the majn guy, he could t have acted alone i mean look at the docs.

perhaps they wanted to calm nerves, take down the rest of the people, and add them into this case as suspects as they caught them.

but that didn’t happen, did it? and the public is kind of saying something about it, loudly. which is very bad news for the local / state / federal side of this case.

That’s why this whole thing feels confusing, or questionable. no matter what side you’re on. because it is! anyone who thinks the public got the full picture can’t be serious. we got a fraction of what was released, of a fraction of what local LE did.

everything else could still sit with the fbi in a sealed case or ongoing investigation. Though, I highly doubt it remains ongoing due to a few things I will mention toward the end. The one certainty in knowing the fbi took over is that many facts , evidence, and documents will likely never be public.

A few things to consider:

• nobody does a job this professional on their first try
  • doesn’t matter how much criminology or forensics you’ve read. the evidence, and the lack of it, is inexplicable for a first-timer. full stop.
• it was more likely multiple people
  • two to three attackers, maybe a driver. whoever did this knew where every camera was and the exact angles to avoid them — that’s premeditation. even granting the ~10 minute timeline, which i doubt, one person doesn’t pull that off. the multi-weapon autopsy reading makes a single attacker harder still.
• the hair
  • it was everywhere. ripped out and clearly there. plus other blood, DNA, and anything else went with the bureau. i'm pretty confident they tested it. maybe not the locals, but the feds... of course they tested it.
• the bureau showed up almost immediately
  • unusual crime, sure. but that’s an unusual level of eagerness, and they took the wheel entirely.
• the bodycam footage is offset by an hour and seven minutes
  • it doesn’t line up with the security footage — match the car honks and you’ll see it. that’s either manipulation or serious sloppiness in the release. it should be addressed. same with the audio redactions. redacting interviews i understand. the rest is harder to explain imo.
• the whitcomb book
  • written by a former fbi agent, released when it was released. he seems happy to let both local and federal LE look like donut-cop slop, because that’s what it looked like.

whether BK is innocent, guilty, or somewhere in between — whatever his relationship to the feds ever was — one thing is clear: this is the most fucked situation for everyone involved. and justice was served to exactly nobody if there were more perps than just one.

it should be going to trial and/or investigated expeditiously.. I'd find it difficult to believe that they're gonna let everyone believe he did it on his own. And I hope Whitcomb's book illuminates that for everyone. I think the timing of the release was purposeful.

i believe some key players on the organized crime side of this thing have already been taken down. Definitely have been arrested. This is confirmed: eb and dr in 2023, jjb in 2025. Look into those people and see how glaring their connections are to this case. I can spell it out for you but i have been advised not to do so in this post explicitly.

• What's interesting to me is that the day JJB was arrested (or announced)
  • just so happened to be the same exact day that BK was meant to enter his plea. But in an unexpected move, pleaded guilty.

The alleged exculpatory evidence. Pure speculation -- no facts here:

• It is believed by some that either:
• BK was attempting to give one of the girls a warning note...
  • A note that said he overheard someone talk of a h*t *rder on one of the girls, and to call him. And they apparently never did.
  • that BF may still have that note. Or at least evidence of that note.
  • bk was the one who picked her up.
  • bk was the one who picked her up.
• Or that
• when (or if) bf actually broke out of that side door and escaped
  • bk was the one who picked her up.

if neither of these are true, i'll be interested to know what this alleged evidence is that BF has.

optics are gonna turn very bad very soon if nothing else, i'm sure. big problemo.

i guess we’ll see where it goes --

also feel free to flame me in the comments for as long as you'd like. i don't think i'm making any outlandish claims here - seriously. it's all in the docs just READ!

What's up with the HEX connection?

I saw one dude find a HEX (crypto) transaction that aligned to the date and roughly to the time of the crime.

A detail of intrigue, though, was the 'message' field of this ~3.5 million HEX transaction.

If i remember correctly, it said something along the lines of "this is the signal for the k*ll switch"

Then one of the victim's dads is like wearing a HEX hat all over the early-ish interviews & news?

What's the connection? Was this ever verified? Anyone have any info they can share here?

"The Idaho 4 Files "Oddities"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vLFolUIiVeY

The oddities: withheld evidence, missing audio, bad resolution of video, 4chan posts, Kristie's niece hearing Kaylee got shot, WSU Kim''s story, 2nd weapon, absurd timing, etc.

Surprise! One of the fraternities busted was Sigma Chi! Coincidence? Or…?

I’ve been reading through the theories on here, but honestly, when you look at the big picture, the alternative killer theories feel impossible. To actually believe someone else did this, you have to explain away a massive chain of events that all happened at the exact same time.

I’m genuinely curious how anyone reconciles these facts without just picking apart one single detail in a vacuum:
> His DNA was found directly on the snap of the knife sheath left right next to the bodies.
> Security cameras tracked a white sedan matching his car leaving Pullman, driving to the neighborhood, circling the house four times, and then speeding away right as the murders ended.
> His phone went completely dark right before the murders and then pinged driving away immediately after.

To believe a roommate did it, you have to believe this alternative killer brutally murdered four people, perfectly framed BK by planting his DNA, drove a matching white car around the block, hid the car, snuck back into the house without being picked up on any cameras, and somehow timed all of this to perfectly match the exact two-hour window that BM decided to turn his phone off and go for a random late-night drive.

Plus, how do you explain everything else? He stalked the house at least 12 times in the months leading up to it, changed his license plates right after the murders, and was later caught by the FBI wearing surgical gloves to put his trash in his neighbor's bins at 4 in the morning.

And that's not even considering the fact that he literally admitted to it in court. Before anyone says he’s contesting the plea now because of "poor legal representation" or coercion, the guy was a PhD criminology student with an extensive education in the justice system, and he had a highly experienced defense team. Suggesting that he somehow didn't know exactly what a plea deal meant or what he was signing is honestly insulting to everyone's intelligence.

The number of insane coincidences required for him to be innocent just doesn't make sense mathematically. If he didn't do it, how do you actually explain all of those pieces overlapping perfectly on the exact same night?

Attorneys Andrew D Myers and Yolie Medina discuss the latest Dr. Turvey interview on Crime and Justice with Donna Rotunno. They discuss the legal issues pertaining to the allegations that AT and the psychologist may have pressured Bk to commit perjury, and how his ADHD and OCD may have played a role.

"Kohberger Defense Expert Now Challenges Plea"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=We0M4nLIN9g

Youtube.com/@lawofficesofandrewdmyers

The treasure is in reading the comments.

**Best comment on the internet today goes to this comment under the video:

**"I recently heard it said that the perfect crime is not one that goes unsolved, it is one where someone else is blamed."**

I've been following this case since it first happened in 2022 as it was only a few days after my birthday and now since it's been back in the news I figured I would make my first post since I cannot deny there is something very shady and off about Dylan Mortensen's behavior. Here are the reasons why to the best of my memory and sleuthing:

1. Invited KG for that specific weekend after KG had already moved out (hastily).

2. Heard "It's Ok I'm here to help
   you" from Killer; "someone's here" from Xana; and "KG playing with her dog", But Did Not Hear Any Screams or Other Noises At All during the unaliving of 4 people both before/during/after.

3. Bloody Shoe print (Converse) Directly in Front of her door within 1". Dylan owns a pair of Converse seen in pictures.

4. Ran past Xana who was on the floor likely in a pile of blood seeping into the hallway which likely had a pungent odor.

5. Saw the killer but was not murdered.

6. Waited 8 hours+ to call police.

7. Stated she "didn't know them like that" regarding MM and KG in bodycam interview.

8. Changed her story multiple times and can't remember anything right.

9. Said she was drunk yet her friend stated in an interview Dylan did not drink that night.

10. Added "Brittany Fernande" in her phone around 3:51am. Meaning she was Awake.

11. Never bothered to check the house or roommates herself.

12. Her Apple Watch showed movement and change of elevation around 5am among other activity.

13. Started a GoFundMe immediately after cashing in $100K+.

14. Was Seen Partying Weeks After the Murders by other students and locals.

15. Her boyfriend Quinn Kelley was trafficking drugs (admitted by several who know him) from Boise to Moscow and the University of Idaho.

16. Dylan Mortensen's Bloody Jacket.

17. If Dylan was a Man he would be in jail still as a Person of Interest for this type of behavior.

I keep coming back to this part of the PCA because it does not make sense no matter how you angle it.

Dylan says she saw a masked man inside the house. She was scared enough to go downstairs toward Bethany’s room. She also supposedly saw Xana lying on the floor.

But here is the issue nobody ever explains:

The twinkle lights in Xana’s room were on.
The twinkle lights by the bar cart were on.
The twinkle lights behind the couch were on.

This was not a dark house. There was ambient light everywhere on that level.

So if Dylan truly believed a masked man was in the house, enough to run downstairs in fear, why would she not try to warn Xana
Why would she not try to wake her
Why would she not try to get her to run too

If you think someone dangerous is inside your home, leaving a friend lying on the floor without even trying to get them up makes no sense. The reaction does not match the situation she claims she perceived.

I am not pushing a theory. I am pointing out a logical gap that has never been addressed. Curious how others interpret this.

What do you think about this? I find it strange.

Any catch the interview with Brent Turvey Forensic Criminology on the Crime Justice Pod?

What an eye opening podcast and reveals .

I actually feel so sorry for Bryan.

Anne Taylor did this man dirty.

Hey all of you, now I know these audio recordings could be fake/doctored but has anyone ever heard this before or know of this Cara chick? And what do you make of what is on the recording?

if this post is too long for you just click on the 'important case' link and you'll see what you need to.

i’m talking about Jose Cruz. Nobody is talking about him. Why?

i feel absolutely insane seeing all of 2 mentions about this guy anywhere. i feel like people are maybe aware of random details but feels like a huge red flag to me.

... almost as if he should have absolutely been the main suspect and should currently be someone that everyone here is aware of, right?

unless I’m missing something big in the docs like an alibi or an interview with him… can anyone band together to help me gather anything else that's currently out there?

His DNA was there, he has a history of breaking and entering with masks and knives. And he also has a strange connection with BK. Accomplice? Why not question him? No attempt at all.

The new case

docs that point to / mention / involve Jose

34. Detectives find Cigarette Butts.pdf

The first doc is evidence - cigarette butts found at scene. No details like where these cigarette butts were found in proximity to the house nor how recently they may have appeared to be smoked. Maybe these descriptions exist in another doc.

130. Tip on JC & Interview with KF.pdf

A tip received from another Police Department regarding Jose Anibal Cruz (first paragraph). I believe that is the only mention of him in this doc.

D22000030 FORENSICS DOCUMENTS (RELEASED 10-31-2025).pdf

The forensics show a match, linking the cigarette butts to Jose.

The important case

This next part is what shook me when i stumbled upon it. it might be the most odd public-facing document I've seen so far in all of this madness.

Let's look at this case from 2021 ...
keep in mind what you're about to read takes place almost a year before the moscow murders

CASE 21-P08063.pdf

(key moments listed below)

^("she was asleep in bed in her room in the basement when she awoke to her bedroom door being opened. She said she) ^(saw a person enter the room) ^(and approach her bed.")

^("She said they were wearing a) ^(burgundy) ^(full face ski mask) ^(and what may have been a dark crew neck sweatshirt. She said they were) ^(holding a knife) ^(with a blade similar to but slightly larger than a typical steak) ^(knife.")

^("While searching the residence, I located an) ^(Avista) ^(bill) ^(with the name) ^(Jose) ^(Anibal) ^(Cruz)^(")

^("I located the Avista bill in the bottom drawer of a two drawer, wooden file cabinet located in the living room of the residence.")

^("I went to the lower unit occupied by the neighbor. I contacted a male there who identified himself to me with a WA ID card as) ^(Jose Anibal Cruz)^(")

^("I asked Cruz if he heard or saw anything suspicious on Saturday night. He told me no.")

^("He said he didn't come home that night at all.")

^("Later I checked Cruz's name. I noted that in) ^(May) ^(of) ^(2017) ^(Cruz) ^(was) ^(suspected) ^(of) ^(entering) ^(a) ^(neighbors) ^(resident) ^(and) ^(watching) ^(her sleep.) ^(See) ^(case) ^(17-P04993) ^(for more details.")

Friend he was allegedly with on that same night

^("Miguel said that they had walked to Cruz's residence on NE Ash St. Miguel said that he called a friend to pick him up, and had left Cruz's residence around 0230-0300 hours. Miguel said that Cruz had been home alone when he left.")

^("I later received a call from [REDACTED] mother, stating she had heard through the grapevine of another sighting of a male in a burgundy ski mask. I called [REDACTED], who said she had heard through her roommates that some males living in the area had seen a male in a burgundy ski mask on 10/12/2021 standing outside their window and waving.")

Cruz caught in a lie

^("On 10/27/2021 I spoke with Cruz at his residence.")

^("Cruz told me that the discrepancy between his statement and Miguel's version of events was due to his inability to speak English. I reminded Cruz that he very clearly expressed to Sgt. Breshears that he was not home all night, and had spent the night at Miguel's.")

^("Cruz said that he and Miguel had actually walked back to Cruz's residence. Cruz said Miguel had waited for a ride and he had gone to sleep. Cruz denied hearing or seeing anything.")

Strangely, there was one other person of interest

Yep, BK. Like what? then end of report just randomly puts this page.

Case # 21-P08063 , page 9

^("On 12/30/2022, Bryan Kohberger had been arrested for four counts of Murder 1st Degree and Burglary for an incident that occurred 11/13/2022 in Moscow, ID."..."Brett Payne noted their investigation concluded Kohberger had entered a residence in Idaho wearing a mask and killed three college-age women and one college-age man using a knife at the women's residence near the University of Idaho campus."..."Although Kohberger would not have been residing in Pullman during October, 2021, Cmdr. Breshears advised PPD had received information that the WSU Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology may have had an on-campus event for prospective graduate students that Kohberger may have attended around the time of this incident. I e-mailed the department's Graduate Program Coordinator, Danielle Makin, requesting information."..."On 1/19/2023, I received an e-mail from Makin responding to my request. It contained a forwarded e-mail from Melanie-Angela Neuilly, Associate Professor and Chair, which read that the program was not aware of any visit by Kohberger during the period indicated and did not hold any recruitment events at that time. Case inactive.")

that being said,

Do we think they worked together OR
Do we think someone literally copy / pasted this case to frame them?

it’s just so damn odd. Barely any questions asked.

if you find any other signs of JC in the docs, please drop them in the comments along with your thoughts (and prayers).

Thread for YouTube videos by non legal professional YouTubers.

Hi so im new to this case but I know that they are really strange and fishy. Do some people think that DM was jealous of Maddie and Kaylee's friendship and she did the crimes? Or do people just think she cleanded up the house after? Like what are your theories on how they are involved?

4:30 pm EST August 12, 2026

Has there ever been any woman who has come forward saying she was in an actual intimate relationship with him? Has he ever had anyone? Not counting the awkward tinder dates we've all heard about lol