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Living in Thailand has changed how I think about Canadian healthcare, especially preventative medicine

I'm Canadian, but I live in Thailand. I'm heading to Bangkok soon for what is basically a full medical workup.

And to be clear: I'm not sick.

Nothing is wrong that I know of. I'm just getting older and decided I'd rather find out if something is starting to go wrong before it becomes something serious.

There's also a very personal reason I think this way.

My wife died of cancer.

It was growing slowly and silently inside her. By the time she had symptoms, by the time there was an obvious reason to start looking for something she was already Stage IV.

So when people talk about preventative medicine versus treating illness after symptoms appear, that distinction isn't theoretical to me. I've seen what "wait until something is wrong" can look like.

That's a big part of why I'm doing this while I feel perfectly healthy.

Here's what I'm getting:

  • Full physical examination with an internal medicine physician
  • Vital signs/BMI
  • Ophthalmologist eye screening
  • Audiologist hearing screening
  • Complete blood count
  • Fasting blood sugar and HbA1C
  • Full lipid profile
  • High-sensitivity Troponin I
  • Kidney function
  • Full liver function panel
  • Thyroid panel
  • PSA, CEA and AFP tumor markers
  • Vitamin D
  • Urinalysis
  • Stool examination and occult blood
  • Chest X-ray
  • Whole-abdomen ultrasound
  • Bone density scan
  • EKG
  • Ankle-Brachial Index
  • Exercise stress test
  • Carotid Doppler
  • Low-dose CT lung cancer screening
  • Colonoscopy
  • Cardiologist consultation
  • Radiologist consultation for the lung CT
  • Internal medicine consultation to review everything

Total cost, including the tests, specialists and hospital fees: 51,000 Thai baht or roughly C$2,150.

And this is where living in Thailand has changed my perspective.

I absolutely support Canada's universal healthcare system. I don't want a system where someone avoids an emergency room because they're worried about the bill, or where getting cancer means potentially bankrupting your family.

But Canadian healthcare is, in many ways, reactionary rather than preventative.

If I'm sick in Canada, or for example have occult blood in my stool the system will investigate and treat me. If I develop symptoms that justify a CT scan, cardiac testing, specialist referral or colonoscopy, those things are covered, albeit in the absence of a critical illness it's not going to happen quickly.

But walking into my doctor's office while feeling perfectly fine and saying, "I'm getting older. I want to know if there's anything going on inside me that we should catch early"?

There's virtually no chance I'm getting this entire workup.

And that's the contrast I find interesting.

Thailand has universal public healthcare for its own population too, but it also has a huge private medical system where I can essentially say: I'm healthy, I want a comprehensive baseline, and I want to look for problems before they become problems.

I make an appointment, pay C$2,150, and get the whole thing done.

I'm not arguing that every one of these tests should automatically be given to every asymptomatic Canadian every year. There's legitimate debate about over-testing, false positives, unnecessary procedures and whether some screening actually improves outcomes.

But there's also something strange about a healthcare philosophy where we can spend enormous amounts of money treating advanced disease while making it difficult to investigate your health comprehensively when you still feel fine.

And yes, I understand that screening doesn't guarantee anything. My wife might have had exactly the same outcome even with more testing. I'll never know.

But having watched someone I loved go from apparently healthy to a Stage IV cancer diagnosis because the disease didn't announce itself until it was advanced, my perspective is pretty simple:

I'd rather spend money looking for smoke than wait until the house is on fire.

That's the part of preventative medicine I've come to appreciate, and something that Canada needs to seriously look at. Because honestly, doing this kind of testing will not only save lives, it will save money. Treating people with illnesses that are discovered early is a MUCH cheaper scenario than treating the critically ill.

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u/ConfidentPlate211 — 5 days ago
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Malpractice question

This is a question regarding my mother and her situation. 10 years ago she was diagnosed with lung cancer and it had metastasized to other organs. It was a 50/50 chance. After 6 years she beat it. I'm saying this to establish that she had very frequent interactions with health professionals.

2 years ago she lost consciousness while driving and had a bad accident. It wasn't high speed, so no one was severely injured, but my mom was still unresponsive and they assumed it was because of the accident, fairly. I spoke to her on the phone about 5 hours later and she reassured me she felt fine, just tired, she didn't know why. She was totally normal sounding. Tests had been done and x-rays showed what appeared to be blood clots in her lungs. She also has a condition that causes her blood to be thicker than usual. The doctors chose to give her blood thinners, they assumed this is why she had originally lost consciousness. Some time in the next 2 days of her hospital stay she had a massive stroke, almost died and is now barely able to do anything.

The choice to give blood thinners seems problematic for sure. There is more yet though. They seemed to not understand why this happened so a lot of test were done in the following weeks. What was determined was my mom had a hole in her heart, that she was born with, and is fairly common but usually immediately treated. She had lived 64 years without it being discovered. This hole was causing blood to leak into her lungs and that is why she had developed blood clots. Now due to her previous cancer, she was taking health very seriously and regularly saw many doctors. One of whom is a cardiac specialist. She had seen him for about 3 years before the accident happened and he didn't catch the hole in the heart.

To me, it seems like a lot of poor choices were made and negligence has happened. Discussing the situation with her GP, he also said it was strange that the cardiac specialist missed the hole. And then quickly backtracked. I know nothing about law or medical malpractice though. Is there something to pursue here or is my mom simply a victim of very bad luck? Sorry for the long post. Thanks for any advice.

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u/Rope_Pristine — 6 days ago
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