r/CrazyHand

Hi! I’m a new smash player working through learning basic combos and fundamentals. I connect really well with Palutena but want to learn Mario because everyone recommends him. However, I have trouble finishing stock with him and I think it’s because I’m not taking advantage of his upair upair fair combo (but also find him more mechanically demanding despite what people say)

My question is do I have to fast fall the falling upair into fair? I’ve hit it in training without fast falling and the combo counter counts it (but I know it’s not exactly accurate sometimes) but I find that if I fast fall after upair it’s like I didn’t fast fall but if I fast fall before upair the upair doesn’t come out

Is it necessary? Or is it helpful to make it more consistent?

Hey, I'm primarily a Street fighter player and only ever played smash causally but as of recent time I have gotten the urge to actually want to learn how to play these games. So what is the roadmap for getting good at these games? Would any skills from previous fighting games come in handy?

TL;DR:

I spam Ganon vs CPU9 way more than anyone else, but these are the characters I play vs people the most otherwise:

Link

Zelda

Falco

Incineroar

Jigglypuff

And some others I'm less confident on:

Aegis

Captain Falcon

Dr. Mario

How should I approach a local if I want to just play as much as possible but suck at practice tool attention span and detest online?

Storytime:

So I'm heading to my 2nd local (ultimate) after a hiatus of many years (playing on and off alone for intense periods before taking a break again). My area is pretty sparse for smash community afaik, I have no idea what the competition will be like.

I have played since og N64 avidly vs casual peers and lvl9 CPU. I've watched plenty of art of smash guides and the like. I've passively noticed my skill increase over the years especially after making some friends who were far more skilled, before I moved where I am now and didn't have anyone to play with not online. I hate the delay online so I only play with my brother rarely via internet when we have time.

Basically I guess I just have nerves because I have no actual expectations or ego I'm worried about but I would prefer to play as much as possible on someone I'm comfortable with. So my question is: leading up to the event this weekend, any advice on how to actually train given my history and disdain for online practice? Practice tool has always bored the hell out of me, I struggle pretty badly with my focus compared to when I was younger and a better student. I usually limit test or try out new things vs the CPU rather than try to hit the stationary target with combo centric characters, I try to just play a strong neutral and edge guard game, observe and call out the opponent. Obviously vs CPU9 this has become almost trivial even if playing vs their decent reaction time, they have exploitable habits and weaknesses that make for good silly fun on Ganondorf but I'm aware of the character's reputation.

Considered pivoting to Incineroar for a similar playstyle but slightly more viable for different reasons (my handle is CatDadapon most places but my reddit account is ancient). My other mains that I spam less than Ganon are Link, Zelda, Falco, Jigglypuff. Used to play Aegis some. Recently got hooked on Captain Falcon and Dr. Mario.

Should I pick one of my conventionally better tiered characters to practice this week or just go into the tourney rocking my thousand hour ai stomping Ganon? Like I don't have perfect bomb tech on Link nor kill confirms with bair; Zelda my combos have been cleaner; Falco my turnaround bair is inconsistent and my drag downs are laughable; Jiggly I worry about just getting destroyed for being too light and being too aggressive with rest combos. I'm not that confident on Aegis despite their strength. Falcon I consider myself woefully not technical enough for such a combo centric character. Dr Mario I just picked up and his recovery is the worst I've ever worked with.

But Ganon I just get. Even while getting comboed or ledge guarded, there's a comfort and calm in knowing one read is all it takes, and stalwart walling and careful approaches. And the dair is unmatched in satisfaction. Idk.

If you read all this I really appreciate it.

What pokemon trainer players are both top 100-200 level and going to a lot of events?

Have you ever lost to a shot and thought, "carried little sh@t". Well, you're WRONG. When somebody plays a shoto, they are just enforcing their gameplan of trying to, idk, kill you in two neutral wins. If they are bad and just spam the same attack that you cannot seem to get by, you just don't know how to fight them, or you are being impatient.

Shotos, I see people complain about all of them a lot. Ryu:Swat away fireball, and jump over or shield hadoken, hes pretty slow so you can avoid him pretty easily if he tries to read your next option. Ken: same thing for hadoken but keep in mind, ken does not use projectiles as much as ryu because he is faster, so he prefers to jump in. ken and ryu have ASS air mobility, so what ever direction in the air they commit to, you zero reason why you should be letting it just hit you, just dash back and whiff punish, or shield if you have REALLy good oos(recommend frame 5 and better, sorry cloud mains). Also against both of them, go offstage to exploit them if your char can handle it, they are super vulnerable during tatsu, and easily two frame able, plus very weak to counters. also do not shield tooo much, they both have nearly true shield break setups. if you find yourself caught in one of them, make sure to let go of shield as soon as possible. also always sdi down and away, there is sometimes better sdi, but down and away is always reliable. and do not fear them so badly that you always wait for them to interact, they dont have great oos, so if your character has really safe ariels and grounded attacks. do not jump tooo much, because they love to anti air with nair and uptilt. when being ledgetrapped, jump when they are doing down tilt, roll when they are doing up tilt, but mix up the timing so you are not too predictable. they are also combo food, keep that in mind, and when comboing you can predict their nair as a combo breaker by flickering your shield for a parry, and make sure to punish with your fastest move (at least frame 5) because ken and ryu have the ability to special cancel their normals so they are plus on shield, but not on parry. for focus, use multihits that are good in the air if you have them, if you do not, dont get greedy, wait for them to land because they both have OK landing options. Good luck!

I’ve been maining Sephiroth for little over a year. I think I’m pretty decent; however, I am having issues when it comes to facing characters with projectiles. I play with two other friends, and they both love using characters with projectiles such as Falco, Wolf, Pit, Link, and Mewtwo. There are often times where they just spam the projectiles and I can’t get close. The only things I can do is sometimes hop over or run in and shield and try inching towards them.

Are there any better methods or tips that you guys can give me to deal with the projectile spam?
Also just tips in general for Sephiroth for me to get better with him.

In practice mode it seems like the cstick always works to do Kevin aerials, but in matches I’m noticing the cstick does bronze aerials? Am I crazy? Am I just not aware of the charges?

Update: it’s actually inconsistent in training mode too. Sometimes it does levin sometimes bronze

I've been trying to learn Sora and I've been blocked by being unable to do the idj for a while now and every time look for way to do it on joy cons I just find pro controller tutorials, any advice

Im aggressive, and he punishes it on Palutena. I play characters like ZSS, Pyra mythra, sora, falco, mostly fast characters. I had a good run but I just cant win anymore it seems. Any good easy characters with easy combos? Captain falcon maybe?

I am growing my Elite smash roster. I have 32 characters in Elite and I got stuck on Simon and Richter. It’s been a week and I bounce between 10-13m (Elite is currently 14.6). I’m playing characters in order from the lowest ranking up (according to Eventhubs) so I have done plenty of lower teir characters that felt way better in almost every way. Give me Dr. Mario, Mac, Gannon, K.Rool, DK, Dedede, Ike, Isabelle… all were relatively easy or I could see the path. Not so with the vampire hunters.

I know the problem but I need advice on the solution. I like to brawl up close and dance around the opponent. This is the first character that I’m seriously confused about as his weaknesses are plenty and I can’t understand his strengths. I rarely fight good Simons so I don’t have a catalog of common strategies to try out. I usually just see cross, axe, holy water or some combination while standing still at the corner. That sounds like pulling teeth to me.

Things I like-

Forward tilt has good range and is fast (enough)

Ledge trapping

Surprise hits with long range on those that don’t know the matchup (stops working around 12.5m)

Catching landings with forward smash, aerials, or dash attack

Generally good damage

Fast fall speed

Holy water and cross allow me to block off certain areas but I feel naked when I don’t have them out and I feel predictable if I use them constantly.

Things I hate or need to learn or practice -

Disadvantage and playing defensively is hard.

Off ledge play is gruesome, worse than little Mac for me. I have not developed my whip recovery and have died so many times to minor gimps or missed air dodges. I know to air dodge first when far away but options are limited and it only takes a slight hit on his otherwise linear recovery.

Jump is short, slow, committal. and hard to control because of slow air acceleration. I find myself having to double jump to avoid attacks I want to jump over. This makes me timid and scared all the time.

There are no quick poke moves that are safe. Down tilt is committal and only works when facing lower skill opponents. Forward tilt is my go-to but is only safe on shield from a distance, not get-off-me range where I need a move. Up tilt misses all grounded opponents. I tend to roll or natural air when things get too hot and I see better opponents are reading this.

I don’t know when to use the projectiles or in what order. I heard from some YouTubers to only use cross in neutral but while it works well, it’s predictable. Because my up-close moves are weak, I find myself throwing out cross too much just to gather my thoughts.

I play with a pro controller so it’s difficult to constantly aim the aerials for the angled moves. I don’t really want to get a GameCube controller to get some notches but I do notice it’s also hard to turn-around up B for recovery, or down tilt in the opposite direction.

I could use some more setups. I feel too predictable when using holy water and forward smash at ledge but it’s too rewarding to skip. Is there a combo of projectiles that’s particularly good? Is there a consistent move to use after down air? Did you have success getting Simon into Elite? What did you do?

Thanks in advance. I really appreciate it.

I’m a very new Smash player, and I honestly have no idea where to start. Competitive play in this game seems super intimidating, especially with how much information and tech there seems to be to learn.
Are there any good guides for beginners that will help with fundamentals, or just advice in general that can help kickstart my practice.

I play with Rob, Mario, Game & Watch, and Aegis. Who do I use and what do I do?

SSBU's frame data is well understood and documented in places like ssbwiki and Ultimate Frame Data, but has anyone published it in a form that could be parsed by a program, like a public API or even a big JSON file ?
I guess I could always scrape sswiki of something, but if there is any better source I could pull all that data from, I'll take it

Basically what the title says. Can’t for the life of me 2-frame any of the tether recoveries, and I’m pretty solid at two framing