Since it was able to affect Kibito Kai in the Teleport Dimension, I’ve heard this feat be explained as 4D spatial hax, or immeasurable speed, or 4D AP, or even Outerversal AP. So realistically how does it scale?
First off, Goku is just stupid for making this a him problem because Bulma said it was. All Bulma did was throw the blame at Goku and he said, “Damn. Ight.” Seriously, thats how fast he just accepts this is his responsibility, despite everyone using the Dragon Balls. This dude literally accepted blame because he got pointed at.
It’s also the reason he says why he can do this alone. This motherfucker really said “Didn’t you see how strong I was with Super Saiyan 4?”
Not only did Goku nearly die the first time he used Super Saiyan 4, from his own stupidity and arrogance, but he got dog walked like five minutes ago by Super 17. The only time he was strong was when everyone helped him. Hell, he only beat 17 because 18 saved him. That happened even earlier.
This moron really tried to say he didn’t need help when most of his wins in this series is him getting help. He really just pulled a Pre-Buu Vegeta moment here. I’m serious, have Vegeta say what Goku said and you wouldn’t spot a difference. This moment may have not been a joke, but it’s hilarious because Goku thinks he sounds badass for going lone wolf; when he hasn’t done much of anything on his own.
i think he should have kept it
It ain't bad, it's pretty good.
Like bulma getting controlled by baby. And etc, and affected Goku. When he said; "baby I'll never forgive you",
Even after rewatching GT i dont understand why pan never got any meaningful character development
We didn't get any training scenes during the journey, but Vegeta made it clear that the intention behind giving Goku companions was for them to also improve as fighters
Let's use Math
SSJ Baby Vegeta took SSJ3 Goku punch with basically no Damage so Baby's 2x SSJ3 Goku (Potenially more) then proceeds to get a SSJ2 and SSJ3 Multipler. So Baby is about 16x stronger than Goku in Equal Forms. Then Goku turns into a Golden Great Ape and is able to Tank Baby's attacks no problem and makes Baby prepare to become a Golden Great ape himself so 2x Baby (Again potenially more) then Goku becomes a SSJ4 and is able to Pummel Baby until he becomes a Golden Great Ape himself where they appear to be relative.
So in Total it likely goes
Base GT Goku: 1
SSJ GT Goku: 50
SSJ2 GT Goku: 100
SSJ3 GT Goku: 400
Base Baby Vegeta: 16
SSJ Baby Vegeta: 800
SSJ2 Baby Vegeta: 1,600
SSJ3 Baby Vegeta: 6,400
Golden Great Ape Goku: 12,800
Golden Great Ape Baby: 204,800
SSJ4 Goku: 204,800
So SSJ4 is about 512 times SSJ3 or 204,800 times base (Or if you wanna round up like i do 205,000 times base)
My Math could be wrong but this feels like a good estimate.
I wonder what this fusion would look like Goku new Super Saiyan 4 with GT vegeta 🤔 how powerful would it be
Also, Toei usually refers to te last final boss with this sort of comparisons, like when they compared Dabura to Cell. What do
