r/Ex_ArtOfLiving

To Ex Members

Hello! I'm currently doing research on the Art of Living foundation after my aunt and 2 young cousins (under age 10) have joined the cult. I've got a lot of info, but I'd love to talk personally with ex members, and current members, about their experiences and how they now feel about AoL. I'm more than happy to keep things anonymous if you wish!

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u/Pitiful_Set_1972 — 6 days ago

Narcissist SS Ravi Shankar - No accountability at all

Had SS Ravi Shankar been a good ethical person (forget "guru"), he would have done at least either of these:

EITHER

Make the entire accounts / financials public (forget public at least to his volunteers/teachers - though I call them slaves or free labor only), at AOL group level, and individually at its various entities, projects level

OR

Eradicate the policy of charging fees and donations forcefully, intimidatingly or whatever and leave this to the wish of people as to how much they really want to.

But he will never do that because "he knows the best" and only he has the power to know the best in the entire world (according to his divine knowledge, this accountability is not at all needed). Shame SS Ravi Shankar. May lord Shiva opens his third eye to punish the fake spiritual gurus. But when? The damage is already done.

I feel really sorry for the people who are trapped. May lord Shiva give wisdom to you all.

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u/AmitSinghvi — 7 days ago

Folks, I am thinking about coming up with a book for busting the AOL and Ravi Shankar's cult empire

Apart from the book captioned in the subject line, I am trying to connect with Sr lawyer @ Supreme Court Shri Ashwini Upadhyay, to explore the legal avenues for the very purpose. I need your thoughts on both the ideas. This forum is undoubtedly a great platform but it is still an organic way, which will take its own time. But Its high time now, we should do something and go an extra mile to expose. What do you say? Open for discussion

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u/AmitSinghvi — 9 days ago

AOL and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar failed at reforming Indian purity culture of classism/ casteism

Given the enormous power Sri Sri Ravi Shankar had over many Indian ppl, he did not display the radical courage needed to change the set ways Indians think about menial work and cleaning which is so deeply tied to purity, class and caste. It was a huge opportunity, wasted.

I'll give an example.

When I did my first TTC1 in Canadian ashram, my TTC teacher, Michael Fischman had us cleaning the public restrooms in the ashram as our seva. When one person said 'I am from IIT, I don't need to do this', he was solely tasked with cleaning the men's restroom every single day. Now, Michael Fischman is a despicable person (my personal opinion) in many ways, but this was a truly admirable thing to do.

I came home overawed at the goodness in AOL, it has long been a problem with Indian society that 'educated' ppl refused to do menial work like cleaning restrooms. I was so happy AOL was busting those boundaries.

But then I went to India, and guess what I saw.

Indian course participants never had to clean Bangalore ashram restrooms as their seva. There was a separate cleaning staff.

What a huge opportunity Art of Living and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar wasted, to educate and reform Indian society.

The boundaries they spoke abt busting in DSN and TTC, should have been these boundaries. Instead they mindlessly indulged in more marketing of courses, more pyramid schemes and more fundraising.

A chance at greatness.... lost.

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u/Ashamed-Violinist-50 — 8 days ago

Governance & Accountability - Why The Status Of NGO?

Questions / issues in mind:

  1. Why does Govt not do anything about the spiritual NGOs like AOL, ISHA etc. and the so called fake gurus such as SS Ravi Shankar, Sadhguru etc. Does govt. not know how much money they are charging and the appropriateness of such huge amounts.
  2. Why should the govt. not make it mandatory to make the accounts and financials public, for the very reason that these are NGOs and huge amount of hard earned public money is involved? Where is the accountability and governance? I mean to me, if you don't make the accounts public then why the status of "NGO" and why to authorize them to collect money in the name of seva projects or social service projects? And why the "NGO" status is not taken away from such orgs. They should be simply declare as for-profit / business org.
  3. All the political parties/leaders and the businessmen lobby are protecting or allowing them to flourish, as NGO industry is hugely used for converting the black into white. There is no strong law for stopping this.
  4. Why there is no strong law for checking against the claims and statements of such big so called "gurus" as govt should know that they have attained certain level/stage where the public at large will follow what they claim/state.

We should really explore the legal avenues on such issues/points. Please add if I have and missed anything on such lines and please join hands for this - humble request. Let's create a league of fighters (like true freedom fighters such as Bhagat Singh, Chandrashekhar Azaad, Sukhdev etc.). I take an oath to even sacrifice my life for such cause

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u/AmitSinghvi — 8 days ago

Guru Bina Gati Nahi Sri Sri Says — “No Progress / Liberation Without a Guru”

Guru Bina Gati Nahi

Sri Sri says — “No progress / liberation without a Guru”

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar often says:

«“Guru bina gati nahi” — “There can be no progress without the Guru.”»

His own Art of Living website uses this exact formulation.

But does the ancient Hindu scripture actually say that without a human Guru, spiritual progress or liberation is impossible?

The answer is more nuanced.

Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12

«तद्विज्ञानार्थं स गुरुमेवाभिगच्छेत्

tad-vijñānārthaṃ sa gurum evābhigacchet»

“For the knowledge of That, he should approach a Guru.”

The Guru is further described as:

«श्रोत्रियं ब्रह्मनिष्ठम्

śrotriyaṃ brahma-niṣṭham»

“One learned in the teaching and established in Brahman.”

This strongly supports seeking a qualified Guru.

But notice: it does not explicitly say that without a human Guru, God cannot grant realization.

Bhagavad Gītā 4.34

«तद्विद्धि प्रणिपातेन परिप्रश्नेन सेवया ।

tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā»

“Know that Truth through humility, questioning and service.”

And the teachers are:

«ज्ञानिनस्तत्त्वदर्शिनः

jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ»

“Those who have seen/realized Truth.”

Notice the word परिप्रश्न — paripraśna: questioning.

The classical Guru-disciple relationship is therefore not simply “surrender and don't question.” Questioning is explicitly part of the path.

And then Gītā 10.10

«ददामि बुद्धियोगं तं येन मामुपयान्ति ते ॥

dadāmi buddhi-yogaṃ taṃ yena mām upayānti te»

“I give them the understanding by which they come to Me.”

Who says this?

Krishna.

The Gītā therefore explicitly presents divine grace/illumination as coming from God Himself.

Kaṭha Upaniṣad 1.2.23

«नायमात्मा प्रवचनेन लभ्यो

न मेधया न बहुना श्रुतेन ।»

«nāyam ātmā pravacanena labhyo

na medhayā na bahunā śrutena»

“The Self is not attained merely through discourse, intellect, or much hearing.”

And:

«यमेवैष वृणुते तेन लभ्यः

yam evaiṣa vṛṇute tena labhyaḥ»

“It is attained by the one whom It chooses.”

This makes an important distinction: a teacher can point toward Truth, but realization is not simply information transferred from one human being to another.

So what do the scriptures actually establish?

They strongly support:

Seek a qualified Guru.

Approach with humility.

Question deeply.

Learn from one established in Truth.

But that is not necessarily the same proposition as:

«“Without a human Guru there can be no spiritual progress or liberation.”»

Interestingly, the categorical formulation appears much more clearly in the Guru Granth Sahib:

«ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਕਾਈ ॥

binu gur gat nahī kāī»

“Without the Guru, there is no gati/liberation.”

That is remarkably close to “Guru bina gati nahi.”

But it belongs to a later Sikh scripture, not the early Upanishadic corpus.

So I think the crucial distinction is:

«A realized Guru may be an extraordinary grace, guide and catalyst for realization. But that does not automatically make a human Guru the gatekeeper of God's grace.»

And if someone invokes the authority of the Gītā to demand unquestioning surrender, there is an uncomfortable word sitting right there in the verse:

«परिप्रश्न — paripraśna — QUESTIONING.»

The ancient tradition does not tell the seeker to abandon inquiry before the Guru.

It tells the seeker to bring inquiry to the Guru.

A Guru may be a lamp.

But the light of Truth is not the private property of the person holding the lamp.

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u/No_Papaya_2436 — 9 days ago

Folks, I am thinking about coming up with a book for busting the AOL and Ravi Shankar's cult empire

Apart from the book mentioned captioned in the subject line, I trying to connect with Sr lawyer @ Supreme Court Shri Ashwini Upadhyay, to explore the legal avenues for the very purpose. I need your thoughts on both the ideas. This forum is undoubtedly a great platform but it is still an organic way, which will take its own time. But Its high time now, we should do something and go an extra mile to expose. What do you say? Open for discussion

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u/AmitSinghvi — 9 days ago

How will the FCRA bill impact Art of Living?

When I was involved with Art of Living a few years back, enormous amounts of money would be raised in programs like TTC (Teacher training ) in the USA, with no accountability and no explanation as to where the money would be going. (Except for saying that 'Gurudev' himself would decide how this donation was to be used - that was supposed to settle all questions)

For example, the TTC fees were $5000, for a 2-3 week program. Additionally, during TTC, participants would spend all their time on registering ppl for AOL programs, and a fund-raising project.

The TTC that I attended, I would say that I saw many ppl give $3000, and this was matched in many cases by the companies they worked for. So now, in a course of 150 ppl, you can do the math as to how much money was raised in just 2 weeks, for a cause which participants were not even informed about.

Additionally, volunteers who worked for companies like Microsoft could enter their volunteer hours, and Microsoft would donate $20 to AOL for each volunteer hour. So if an Microsoft employee who was also an AOL teacher spent 15 hrs a week organising and teaching the course, AOL would get $300, apart from course fees. Given that several ppl would spent enormous amts of time volunteering for AOL, the dollars added up pretty fast.

Some provisions that I like in FCRA are:

-Funds should go into only those projects that they are collected for. eg, AOL cannot collect funds for Care for children, and then redirect those funds somewhere else. While "purpose diversion" was always banned on paper, the pre-2026 system suffered from weak regulatory tracking, making it easier for large NGOs to mingle general donor pools. The 2026 framework eliminates this flexibility entirely by introducing:

  • Mandatory Project-Wise Reporting: AOL must now map out exact activity-wise utilization in their annual returns, explicitly proving that money meant for free schools went specifically to those schools.
  • Ultimate Donor Disclosures: Every single international micro-donation or dollar-a-day child sponsorship must be explicitly traceable from the point of origin straight to the end project.

- Annual returns must now explicitly disclose project-wise spending, activity-wise utilization, the identities of ultimate foreign donors, and verified links to the organization's official websites and social media accounts.

- Blanket, nationwide approvals for foreign funding will no longer be valid. The organization will have to register and log the exact activities and the specific States/UTs where incoming foreign funds are intended to be deployed

- The management and trustees can be held personally liable for regulatory non-compliance or accounting errors.

Given the discrepencies I have observed in AOL and its fundraising, I think FCRA would be excellent for strengthening accountability and transperency.

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u/Ashamed-Violinist-50 — 13 days ago

Words vs. Actions: Publicly available videos suggest Art of Living Swami accused of misconduct continues to teach using the 'Swami' title despite Sri Sri Ravi Shankar assuring victims of disallowing him from teaching AOL courses & removing him from 'Swamihood'

Spiritual enlightenment clashed with corporate crisis management when a Zoom call meeting exposed how the Art of Living Foundation tried to handle sexual abuse allegations internally to protect its brand.

In mid-2022, an investigative report published by the Brazilian newspaper O Globo challenged the serene public image of El Arte de Vivir (The Art of Living) across Latin America. Multiple women from Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay stepped forward with serious allegations of sexual harassment and abuse against Swami Paramtej, a highly prominent instructor and global spiritual mentor. The scandal exposed a deep rift between the organization's public message of peace and its internal mechanisms of self-preservation.

For over two decades, Swami Paramtej was a pillar of the Art of Living community, traveling the globe to preach the benefits of deep breathing, mindfulness, and emotional transparency. However, the O Globo investigation painted a drastically different picture behind closed doors. When the allegations reached the highest echelons of the foundation, a private Zoom call meeting was arranged between the victims and the internationally revered founder, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar.

The recording of that meeting, which was later published by Globo news, and EL PAÍS, captured a stark example of corporate damage control disguised as spiritual guidance. On the video, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar confirmed that Paramtej had been stripped of his "Swamihood" and banned from teaching courses in the Art of Living, and sent to a farm to do agriculture.

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Yet, instead of urging the victims to contact local law enforcement to investigate the matters reported, the spiritual leader discouraged them from making the details public. His reasoning relied on an emotional appeal: he claimed the accused Swami was mentally unstable and would likely commit suicide if a public scandal broke.

Ravi Shankar clarified that Paramtej felt deep regret for his actions. He emphasized that neither he nor the Art of Living foundation ever declared Paramtej to be an enlightened being or a perfect human. He added that when people make a mistake, the goal is to help them correct themselves and commit to never repeating it.

However, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar publicly intervened during the sexual abuse allegations against Asaram Bapu and his absconding son, Narayan Sai. He used public media and Twitter to openly demand that they face the legal system.

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Direct Comparison of Responses

Case Feature Internal Case (Paramtej) External Case (Asaram & Narayan Sai)
Primary Focus Personal remorse and internal spiritual rehabilitation. Immediate legal surrender and systemic accountability.
Public Strategy Clarifying titles and backing individual self-correction. Direct public media interventions and demands to stop fleeing.
Legal Stance Centered on personal growth and promising not to repeat mistakes. Insisted on facing police investigation and the justice system.

Justice vs. Institutional Insulation

The leaked discussion drew immediate, fierce backlash from human rights advocates and former members who recognized a classic pattern of spiritual gaslighting. By focusing heavily on the emotional well-being of the perpetrator, critics argued that the leadership effectively shifted the emotional burden back onto the victims.

>"Let go of your anger and frustration. Reeling in the past will not make you happy, and I only want to see you happy."
— Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, speaking to victims of sexual harassment and abuse (2022)

Furthermore, the conversation revealed the guru bypassing legal protocols entirely. Rather than involving secular courts or police departments across South America, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar asked the victims themselves how he should personally punish the abuser. This act of taking the law into institutional hands left the victims isolated outside of the official judicial systems of their home countries.

The Double-Bind Message

Ravi Shankar stated that he did not object to anyone going to the police, yet simultaneously warned that doing so would drive the accused to suicide. In psychology, this is known as a double-bind—a communicative dilemma where an individual receives two conflicting messages, and choosing either results in a penalty. Intellectually, the guru grants permission for legal recourse (protecting his public legal standing), but emotionally, he penalizes the action by assigning a fatal consequence to it.

The Exile to the Fields

To address the immediate threat to the foundation's global brand, the administrative actions taken against the former Swami were swift, insular, and strictly internal:

  • Stripping of Titles: The centuries-old spiritual title of "Swamihood" was formally revoked.
  • Total Termination: The instructor was permanently severed from any official teaching role within the foundation.
  • Administrative Exile: He was quietly transferred to an isolated, rural agricultural farm.
  • Forced Labor Restriction: Leadership mandated that he spend his days performing manual agricultural labor, completely removed from any public interaction.

The Return of the Swami: Teaching Under the Radar

Despite the absolute nature of the 2022 internal banishment, the boundaries of institutional exile appear highly porous. While the organization assured victims that Paramtej was permanently decommissioned from spiritual duties, subsequent ground realities tell a different story.

Reports emerged that just last year, the defrocked mentor was actively conducting official sessions and courses on International Yoga Day.

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Rather than remaining in agricultural isolation, he allegedly fronted these events using the exact same name and spiritual title that had supposedly been stripped from him. This quiet reintegration into public programming laid the groundwork for an even more brazen public reappearance.

The Patna Rebranding

On July 30, 2026, on the occasion of the traditional Guru Purnima event, Paramtej resurfaced publicly at an official gathering arranged by the Art of Living in Patna, India.

During a local media interview covering the event, the fallen spiritual mentor was asked to speak and introduce himself to the press. Defying the global organization's earlier narrative of full termination and title revocation, he introduced himself directly to reporters using his former title: "Swami Paramtej."

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Rather than identifying as a banished laborer restricted to agricultural isolation, he declared that he was active within the organization as a volunteer teacher for the Art of Living.

Questions of Accountability: Pledge vs. Reality

The chasm between Sri Sri Ravi Shankar’s 2022 pledges to the Latin American victims and Paramtej's active status in 2025 and 2026 raises profound systemic questions for the global community:

  • The Teaching Ban: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar promised "zero tolerance" and explicitly told traumatized victims that Paramtej was barred from teaching. How, then, was he permitted to lead courses on International Yoga Day and openly brand himself a "volunteer teacher" at an official 2026 foundation event?
  • The Swamihood Revocation: If his title was genuinely revoked to preserve spiritual integrity, why is he permitted to introduce himself to the international press as "Swami Paramtej" while standing on the grounds of an Art of Living function?
  • The Nature of the Punishment: Was the widely touted "exile to a farm" a genuine punitive measure, or was it merely a temporary geographic cooling-off period designed to hide a high-profile asset until public scrutiny waned?
  • Institutional Betrayal: By allowing a credibly accused abuser back into classrooms and press circles, has the foundation fundamentally violated the spiritual trust of the very victims it swore to protect?

The Cost of Corporate Spirituality

The Latin American scandal coupled with its ongoing modern developments serves as a cautionary tale regarding the rapid commercialization of modern spiritual movements. When global foundations grow to span dozens of countries, they often begin to behave less like sanctuaries and more like multi-million dollar corporations.

When survival of the global brand name becomes paramount, accountability is frequently compromised. For the women who stepped forward in Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay, true closure did not lie in private assurances or an absolute mandate to "let go of anger." It lay in the transparent, messy, and public pursuit of legal justice a right that institutional self-preservation tried very hard to quiet.

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u/Defiant_Fact4779 — 14 days ago