r/HumanTorchMains

yo torch bros posted 2 games one in which i dropped 80 kills n 28 finals and another 21 finals game

both games from c2-c1

lmk what yall think also pls comment literally anything nice thank youu xx

Torch's history has been extremely rough from the very beginning. He was pretty mediocre at release, and was slowly getting buffs until the fateful season 2. This where we gained the reputation of being the sole reason why flyer meta will likely never happen again in addition to receiving over 20 consecutive nerfs as a result. Torch was undoubtedly very strong to the point of being overpowered back then, but it wasn't his kit that made him so strong. The existence of melee tech during and after it its patch left a sour taste in the community.

However, Torch has never really been a highly picked character aside from release (as most new heroes do); maintaining a usage rate below 10% and never exceeding a 51% winrate. With that in mind, melee tech was almost exclusively seen in pro-play and high elo lobbies where only skilled Torch players would abuse this tech. During that time, the entire community had been in an uproar, screaming for nerfs despite him being rarely picked in competitive. The average MR player rarely ever saw a competent Torch using melee tech. Yes, it was 100% miserable to play against, but the vast majority of the community never even experienced it. I wholeheartedly believe that people were just piggy-backing off their favorite streamers ranting about Torch.

Post melee tech, Torch has been consistently a top 3 lowest picked hero for several seasons. After lurking the main sub, people are still whining for Torch nerfs and say he should never be viable again. I saw plenty of comments stating how they believe the jubilee team up is broken because it allows for Torch to not immediately explode the nanosecond somebody looks at him. He's decent right now, but the community's rampant whining had caused the devs to not only neuter him but never give him any meaningful buffs for the foreseeable future. This applies to all other flyers as well.

As of now, Torch himself is an okay character despite the wider community gassing him up as some sort of raid boss when he's not. Torch was never a server admin across all ranks, it's just that people are too fucking stupid to look up.

Every diver in the game has regen shields, even some brawl characters like rogue has regen shields who 100% don’t benefit from it nearly as much as someone like Johnny would. Why design him to be a diver, give him a team up that rewards being close to the enemy, then NOT give him regen shields? Torch is already 250, the only overhealth he gets is through his main kill potential ability which is on a 15 second cooldown, he doesn’t get dmg reduction or cc immunity or invincibility in his dash (which id say he does not need but I’ve seen people say that could be a cool thing for him to have and black cat has it on her 3 second cooldown so it isn’t such a far fetched idea). And now he doesnt have regen shield. Does NONE in the dev team ever touched torch? Did NONE think they could give the dive shields to a flyer diver? Did they think that might make him season 2 torch again? Clearly not or else they wouldn’t have made the changes they made to other busted characters.

I hate to suggest this, but did they forget about Johnny AGAIN?

Torch doesn't feel bad, and he's just not a bad character. End of story. Low A tier. Any changes to him shouldn't necessarily even be buffs anymore. It should be indirect buffs.

Elsa, Cat, Mag, Hood, Bucky, Hela, so and so forth. A lot of overtuned characters just need nerfs. Most of them make torch annoying or borderline miserable to play. But I don't think the issue is within Torch's kit itself. He feels fun, he's amazing with an Ultron or a dive tank, you can make him work.

And he's pretty versatile. If diving slows down for a while, just brawl until the opportunity presents itself. He's a better black panther. More of our cope should go into getting a legendary.

Was playing some ranked today and they counter swapped me like 5 times the 2 dps kept swapping to cyclops phoenix punisher namor Wanda. I wasn’t even the problem. Bucky on my team ended with 24 finals I had 16 but they 1v6’d me anytime i tried to dive or do anything and left him alone.

Just want to gauge sentiment maybe off chance danny koo sees this after a 12 hr session of scrolling r/LunaSnowMains

So I main torch on pc and I need to also learn controller since I do ranked with friends on console but I’ve only used torch on kbm this might sound stupid but is there any specific settings for controller and sensitivity changes it’s definitely harder on controller so I thought I’d come here to ask the people who know what they’re doing :)

Every game theres 1 of the billion counters he has and that's all it takes to shut him down and make him useless. And even then his primary fire is hard as balls to land and I feel like an idiot just attempting to do a smidge of damage! All while having barely and survivability so no mistakes allowed. I love the character but it gets to a point where he's so bad that he becomes genuinely unfun to play as. I have to switch almost every single game. Does anyone have any tips?