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Learning the Odu

Aboru Aboye Abosise and Alaafia!

I am currently reading and learning the the 16 Major Holy Odu. I am learning them from my godmother as well as my Adjubona. I have at least 4 different versions/translations of the Odu Ifa that I'm using to school myself with as well. What I am finding is that each version of the odu is different than the others. My godmother translates one way, my adjubona translates another way and each book has its own translation as well. By looking through this group's posts I found a reference to Ifa Dida which seems to have at least 10 different translations for each odu all within the same text.

My question is, how do I "learn" the odu if there can be so many different translations? I've been practicing Ifa for about 7 years now and it wasn't until recently that I realized I need to know and understand at least the major odu. Am I trying to make the odu something they are not? I mean what comes to mind is the different versions of the Christian bible. While there are several published versions of the book, they all pretty much say the same thing. I'm not finding that with the odu.

Please don't take my question as a critique of the odu because that is not what I'm trying to do. I'm really just trying to make some sense of all of this as I learn.

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u/milehin8tv — 2 days ago
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Can divination be manipulated by spirits

Eg if you were to ask ifa, or otherwise a medium, even a tarot reader , if someone is trustworthy or if something is a good opportunity

Can truly skilled babalawos manipulate the answers or does what come up is what is accurate

Eg can you still be abused by someone that divination said would be a good option for you

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u/Loose-Quarter7580 — 9 days ago
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Obi Masterclass

Obi Masterclass Announcement (EN/ES)

Rey Fernandez Jr. Ifákòlépín | Ogbe Ate Temple

ENGLISH

They told us Obi is just a nut you throw on the floor.

It is not.

Obi Kola is the first divination system ever given to humanity. Before Ikin. Before Opele. Before anything else, Olodumare handed Obi to his daughter Onile and said: *show them how to reach me.*

That conversation has been happening ever since.

For the past year I have been building something I wish existed when I started this path: a complete, structured, lineage-based Obi Divination Masterclass taught entirely from an Isese perspective. No diaspora syncretism. No guesswork. The real thing.

10 classes. Bilingual (English and Spanish). Live Zoom. 90 minutes each.

Here is what we actually go through together:

We begin at the origin. The story of how Obi came to earth, why it became the universal messenger, and what the four traits of Onile mean for every single reading you will ever do. Then we move into the Ijuba, taught the way it was given to me in Nigeria, with the sacred Odus that justify every word of it.

From there we go into the five types of Obi and their spiritual authority. We study Orógbó in depth, including the Owonrin Meji verse that explains why bitter kola must always come first. We work through all five signs with every sub-pattern, every orisha-specific interpretation, every character teaching inside the letters. We go into the 3-lobe Obi and the mystery Esú chose it for. We cover Obi Abata with a full 8-stage reading and remedy system. We look at what each Orisa is actually doing during a casting. And we close with Obi Bibo, the full head restoration ritual, complete practicum, and certification.

Every class comes with a PowerPoint, student handouts, homework, a quick reference card, and a video shot list.

I am an initiated Babaláwo of the Awerijaje lineage, Ogbe Ate Temple in Iseyin, Oyo State, Nigeria. I have been teaching this tradition publicly and freely for years. This masterclass is the structured form of that teaching, built for people who are serious about learning it correctly.

The program is for 5 months for a total of 10 clases.

If you have never touched Obi and want to learn from the foundation up, this is for you.

If you are already a practitioner and want to fill in the gaps, this is for you.

If you are interested send me a message and I will send you the full program

Àṣẹ.

*Rey Fernandez Jr. Ifákòlépín*

*Initiated Babaláwo | Awerijaje Lineage | Ogbe Ate Temple*

*Iseyin, Oyo State, Nigeria*

ESPAÑOL

Nos dijeron que el Obi es solo una nuez que se tira al piso.

No lo es.

El Obi Kola es el primer sistema de adivinación jamás entregado a la humanidad. Antes del Ikin. Antes del Opele. Antes de cualquier otra cosa, Olodumare le entregó el Obi a su hija Onile y le dijo: *muéstrale cómo llegar a mí.

Esa conversación no ha parado desde entonces.

Durante el último año he estado construyendo algo que me hubiera gustado que existiera cuando comencé este camino: una Masterclass completa, estructurada y basada en linaje sobre la Adivinación con Obi, enseñada completamente desde una perspectiva Isese. Sin sincretismo diaspórico. Sin suposiciones. La enseñanza real.

10 clases. Bilingüe (inglés y español). Zoom en vivo. 90 minutos cada una.

Esto es lo que trabajamos juntos:

Comenzamos en el origen. La historia de cómo el Obi llegó a la tierra, por qué se convirtió en el mensajero universal, y qué significan los cuatro atributos de Onile para cada lectura que harás en tu vida. Luego entramos al Ijuba, enseñado tal como me fue dado en Nigeria, con los Odus sagrados que justifican cada palabra.

De ahí pasamos a los cinco tipos de Obi y su autoridad espiritual. Estudiamos el Orógbó en profundidad, incluyendo el verso de Owonrin Meji que explica por qué la kola amarga siempre debe ir primero. Trabajamos los cinco signos con todos sus sub-patrones, cada interpretación específica por Orisa, y cada enseñanza de carácter dentro de las letras. Entramos al Obi de 3 lóbulos y el misterio por el cual Esú lo eligió. Cubrimos el Obi Abata con un sistema completo de 8 etapas de lectura y remedios. Vemos lo que cada Orisa está haciendo realmente durante una consulta. Y cerramos con Obi Bibo, el ritual completo de restauración de la cabeza, practica completa y certificación.

Cada clase incluye una presentación PowerPoint, materiales para el estudiante, tarea, una tarjeta de referencia rápida y una lista de tomas para video.

Soy un Babaláwo iniciado del linaje Awerijaje, Templo Ogbe Ate en Iseyin, estado de Oyo, Nigeria. He enseñado esta tradición de manera pública y gratuita durante años. Esta masterclass es la forma estructurada de esa enseñanza, construida para personas que quieren aprenderla correctamente.

El programa es de 5 meses y un total de 10 clases.

Si has estado leyendo Obi por tu cuenta y te has preguntado si lo estás haciendo bien, esto es para ti.

Si nunca has tocado un Obi y quieres aprender desde los cimientos, esto es para ti.

Si ya eres practicante y quieres llenar los vacíos, esto es para ti.

Si te interesa mandame un mensaje y te mando el programa entero.

Àṣẹ.

*Rey Fernandez Jr. Ifákòlépín*

*Babaláwo Iniciado | Linaje Awerijaje | Templo Ogbe Ate*

*Iseyin, Estado de Oyo, Nigeria*

u/chucho89 — 12 days ago
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Osain Statue

Àbórú àbóyé àbósíse and Àlàáfíà to you all!

I am creating a shrine to Osain in my backyard and I purchased a small statue of Osain to put in it. The statue arrived today and I found that there is a hole in the top of his head as well as in his left arm and leg where the hand and foot would go respectively. After a bit of research I discovered the hole on its head at least is to carry àṣẹ. So here is where I'm asking for some advice.

What would you recommend putting into the head of this statue? I'm not trying to consecrate it like one would with an Eshu as I already have received Osain and two niche Osains. I'd just like to bless it, per se.

If this type of post is not allowed, please let me know and excuse my ignorance.

Modupé!

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u/milehin8tv — 12 days ago