r/Iteration110Cradle

That was a meandering book, took me ages to muster the effort to listen to it

Clan politics were boring, and Lindon and yeren were pretty aimless for most of it

I was confused about the ruins everyone was at, they talked about it as if it was ancient but it only appeared a few weeks ago but it already had legends about it?

At least towards the end it got interesting again with the underlord guy, he seems fun, but i imagine his power and mystery will be made mundane by the next book, seems to be the pattern

I'm still confused why the sacred valley is so weak when Lindon was able to get from copper to iron so quickly

My one complaint is just how quickly things go, fights, plans, its all over in a few scenes, it doesn't give time to really build tension

Like the scale heist , Lindon shows up with all the details and plans, and it takes no time to convince yeren, and it's unwound almost immediately on the same page it began

I'm all for fast paced books, but you need to actually elaborate on things more than one paragraph

I'm FAR more interested in the personal arcs of yeren and Lindon than any kind of clan politics, I just wish there was more time actually spent on SHOWING those arcs

I'll give black flame a try, but considering we need yeren to get past iron and jade to gold in a year, I'm guessing the pace just keeps speeding up

Pretty much what the title says, I just finished Waybound and loved the series and wanted to get the full set physical and just found out about the Kickstarter that I unfortunately didnt see in time. Is there anyway to still get the leather ones? Pls and gratitude

At some point, we see Zakariel insist that her name is *Zerachiel*.

I was just doing some research on the archangels and came across this and just had to share!

“ZERACHIEL (also known as Saraqael, Barachiel, or Sariel) – His name means, “God’s Command”.

Sariel - Suriel? Zakariel insists on going by a name with the same meaning? Interesting.

So i love this story so far but my only gripe is this theme keeps happening where some jerk is literally trying to murder our main cast and they defend themself and end up killing the person in self defense...and then their family member swears to hunt them down and kill them for "MURDERING" their loved one... WTF is that bullshit? happened with jai long trying to avenge his friend, then in ghostwater the dragon girl literally was hunting the main guy for weeks and would not leave him alone so he had to kill her, then the sister sends all her dragons to hunt every skysworn and is enraged. NOW at the end the akuma kid keeps trying to kill the main guy and so they defend themselves and even spare him but trap him inside, and i already know his family is now going to swear to avenge him or its going to cause some BS because it seems this keeps happening.

My question is does this continue to happen throughout the rest of the series too? i just dont get how all these supposedly honorable and pridefull warriors who are all about fair duels and such get so upset when their asshole family member tries to murder someone and when they get clapped back suddenly everyone wants to avenge them. they started it!

So I was doing a reread and realized that the Rosegold continent has the conditions to potentially birth a new path, one of Storm and Destruction, and now I want to theorycraft that. So far I'm calling it the Path of Shattered Skies, I'm expecting its madra to be a black and gold, it to develop a fullbody enforcer/striker technique that leads to explosive, near instant movements, potentially going through opponents or obstacles, and of course a deadly bolt of lightning as a striker techniques

What other techniques or details do you guys think it would have? Would its artists have drawbacks like the path of Blackflame does, or do you think the storm aspect would potentially prevent that. So thoughts and ideas, to help me hammer out details before I end up importing it into a TTRPG I'm running in Cradle

Edit: Notes that may be relevant

Storm Madra seems to be particularly able to affect the soul, with the Sage of Calling Storms, Tiberious Aurelius and the Purestorm Baptism. Given this, I'd expect any side effects to effect the soul/spirit over the mind or body

Just to be safe here, spoilers for the entire series.

I am currently rereading the series for the first time and I had honestly forgotten how genuinely funny these books are. There have been a few moments that did it for me so far, but most recently it was in the beginning of Skysworn when Jai Daishou is roaming the ends of the earth looking for anything, ANYTHING that will give him a leg up on the insolent Aurelius underlord, and Eithan is just constantly 14 steps ahead of him. The way Eithan is just effortlessly the bane of this dude’s existence, constantly vexing him to the point of madness has me cackling

Curious if you guys have any funny moments that you rediscovered upon re-reading

Per Will's Blog: "There's more! I spent a week of the month working with some up-and-coming authors who are developing their first books. I bet you didn't know this, but authors hatch from spotted eggs. Like Yoshis."

Does anyone have more details on this? (How it came about, who was involved, if it would happen again in the future, etc...?)

Making my way through the series and I just can't wrap my head around what seems like a major plot hole. I mean, Jade is a mineral. A rock. 6 to 7 on the mohs scale. In this case fashioned into a sword so extra lethal.

Sage is a damn plant. Not some ancestral tree, but an herb. I don't care if a bunch of sages gang up at the same time, there just seems like there's no way even a hundred sages could kill the Sword Jade.

I'm gonna continue reading but I really hope Will addresses this and it's not some plot hole that never gets explained.

In the whole book when Suriel gets report 'Beginning report… Report Denied' but then report continues even though it was displayed as report denied. Is their some sort of information which author is hiding for following books in the series?

Note: I've just started the series and am on book 2, so if it's information for future books I can understand.

I've just finished my 3rd read of the series and I've been fantasizing about how could we get more Cradle content, so I just wanted to put my thoughts into words and toss them in here to see if it sparks a bit of friendly discussion.

Sadly, I genuinely don't think another Lindon-centric series could work. One of the things that makes Cradle work so well is that we see his complete journey from powerless to over-powered, however by the time of his Ascension, while not Judge level, he's already practically a monster by Abidan standards, so the journey would feel incomplete. This however doesn't mean that we can't see him again, since he still has a long Way (hehe) to go (his Archlord revelation was after all that he would never stop trying to gain power), and he has more than enough potential to eventually rival Ozriel.

A series focused on Lirin would also be very volatile, as it would have to somehow introduce stakes to the character without undermining our beloved extremely overpowered Dreadgod, so I think it's a risk not worth taking unless Will gets a Very Good Idea.

I do think however, that there are ways that we could see more of their future adventures in a more complete format than the wonderful Threshold book, mainly 2 that I've thought of:

1. Another series in another Iteration with another cast of protagonists but with heavy Abidan presence in the narrative, similar to Cradle, where the gang make regular guest appearances. The problem is that in order to not spark conflict with readers unfamiliar to Cradle, the depth at which the Abidan are explored would have to be about even with Cradle, which to us avid Willverse fans would be entirely insufficient.
2. (Personally my favorite) Whenever Will gets tired of writing books for another series, some self-conclusive novels about the adventures of the Reapers could be a way to unwind with a familiar and nostalgic set of characters. Similarly to some of the Threshold stories but more in-depth, the gang could maybe deal with a way harder to save world, requiring them to work together (maybe even power up a bit and butt heads with a Class One Fiend!). I honestly think an occasional standalone post-Ascension book would work great, without the complications of trying to come up with an overarching plot involving the gang.

Anyways that's just the things I've daydreamed about, if anyone has more ideas do share them so we can cope together!

Hey, i started reading the books recently from a recomendation from a friend. I'm almost finishing reading book 2 Soulsmith and... HOW THE FUCK A BUNCH OF JADES KILLED YERIN MASTER ?

I keep coming back to that and this feels such a big... weird plot hole ? Maybe not plot hole but like, they just had a conversation talking about how Iron bodies are actually different, and yerin mentions casually "Oh yeah. My master told me my iron body don't make a lot of difference UNTIL YOU ARE ATLEAST UNDERLORD."

And them eithan is also glazing yerin Master at every mention and like... ok the guy got poisoned and attack in his sleep....

HOW???????? YERIN SEEMS LIKE WOULD NEVER FALL TO THAT AND THIS GUY SEEMS LIKE A GOD COMPARED TO THE OTHERS WE HAVE SEEM LOL.

I'm so confused.

What would have happened if Penance was used on Eithan? Would he have been exposed as Oz right there?