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Eastern Ashkenazi Jew (Belarus/Ukraine/Hungary)

Hey friends! I've been a lurker for a long time and haven't posted because half of the sub is posts from Ashkenazi. Figured I'd share my results for fun, I think even if they are typical there is some interesting stuff to unpack. This has probably all been said before but I felt it was finally time to share! I'll include my super unprofessional analysis and what I observed since getting the results, and a brief background on my family. Sorry in advance for the long post, it's been 'brewing! 😂

My family is Ashkenazi Jewish as far as we can trace, originating mostly in modern Belarus, Ukraine, and Hungary. Pretty split between Litvaks (Lithuanian Jews) and Galicianers (Jews from historic Galicia, now southern Poland and Ukraine). My family have always referred to themselves as "Russian Jews". Being the "family tree guy" in the family I never took that claim at face value. Many came from the then Russian Empire but none from the modern borders of the Russian Federation.

Phenotypically we are all over the place which is common for AJs. My paternal side is very Hellenic/Italian/Levantine or even Persian-passing, to the point my Dad has had people approach him speaking Farsi before. Very olive skin and thick, dark hair. My maternal side looks much more mixed-european and could probably pass all over Southern and Central Europe. Typically fairer skin, lighter brown hair and even some redheads, nobody is "stereotypically Jewish" looking. Ironically, my Kohen/Levi lineage is on my maternal side: My Maternal Grandfather was a Kohen but per our rules that was not passed to me since it goes through the father. I'm not ready to post myself, but I'm very much a 50/50 mix of how my parents look, which I guess makes sense 😄

Ancestry: The 1% Nordic was Norwegian for years and updated to Denmark maybe a year ago.

Illustrative:

AHG is as expected, EHG and Natufian are quite lower than expected, and Zagros and CHG are higher than expected. I know these % have lots of crossover, and with Jews coming from bottlenecks we have some unique markers that are tough to place. All AJs seem to have a tiny bit of Yellow River which is fascinating, maybe Silk Road?

- Bronze Age is pretty typical from what I've seen on here. Iron Age has 38.8% Phonecian and 30% Italian/Etruscan is totally fascinating to me. Even with all the admixture (based on the other calculators) those 2 tell quite the story. Colchian was pretty interesting to me, as well as some of the trace populations there.

- Late Antiquity also was fascinating: 45% Roman Levant and 40% Roman Italy plus 14% Germanic... that's pretty well-rounded Roman 😄

- The Middle Ages attempt to categorize my non-AJ admixture is interesting, I think 7.4% Insular Celt is highly unlikely and just a misread of Gaulish or something similar. Slavic is way lower than expected makes me believe the majority of admixture was before the move to Eastern Europe, or possibly "on the way".

In terms of closest populations, I think it's interesting I'm shifted more to Greek and Southern Italian than their reference population for Ashkenazi. It's particularly interesting how close I am to Anatolia, which is geographically in between Southern Europe and the Levant. Not sure if that's just the "average" of everything put together for me, or if there is genuine shared ancestry with Anatolian populations.

Love to hear any analysis, thoughts, or just say what's up✌️

u/Warm_Gur_1129 — 1 day ago

South Agrigento is a good proxy for the southern European ancestry of the Ashkenazim.

This sample contains minimal amounts of Germanic and Levantine ancestry, resulting in little overfitting.

u/AdamDerKaiser — 1 day ago
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My American Family's Results + Old Family Photos

Three of my mother's grandparents were ethnically Irish (her maternal grandfather emigrated from Roscommon), while her paternal grandmother was French-Canadian. She has a Colville third great grandmother and a tiny bit of Mi'kmaq ancestry from the French-Canadian side.

My father's maternal side is German Jewish. That side of the family had all immigrated to the US by the mid-19th century. His paternal side emigrated from the Russian empire (they lived variously in what's now Lithuania/Ukraine/Moscow/Warsaw) to the US in 1922. His paternal grandparents lived in Yokohama, Japan from 1917-1922, which is where my dad's father was born.

u/Detoxadrone — 4 days ago

# The Two Seeds of Ashkenaz: Urban Establishment, Frontier Pioneers, and Ezra's Levites

The history of the Ashkenazi Jewish people has long been viewed as a monolithic migration from West to East. However, modern archaeogenetics—aided by the discovery of medieval remains in **Norwich** and **Erfurt**—has revealed a much more complex and fascinating "dual-origin" story. It is a tale of two distinct groups: the **Urban Establishment** and the **Frontier Pioneers**.

The Establishment vs. The Pioneer

Genetically, medieval Ashkenazim were split into two clusters. The **"Western" cluster** (found in Norwich, England, c. 1190 and Erfurt-ME, Germany, c. 1300) consisted of Jews who lived in the established urban centers of Italy, France (including England), and the Rhineland. Their DNA was roughly **75% Middle Eastern/Levantine** and **25% Southern European** (derived from pre-4th-century Italian mothers, while paternal lineages remained pre-diaspora Levantine). This community had stabilized early in the Roman era. They were the overwhelming majority of European Jewish communities before the mid-1300s and were much more influential, possessing the great Rabbinic Academies referenced for authority by the much smaller eastern pioneer group. The **"Eastern" cluster** (Erfurt-EU, c. 1300), however, was the **"Frontier Group."** These were the pioneers who pushed into the "Wild West" of the Germanic (Roman era) and later Slavic (late 10th century onwards) lands. While they remained strictly **Judean in their paternal lines**, their maternal DNA tells a story of survival and expansion. On the edge of the empire, they married local West Germanic and, later, Slavic women. This shifted their autosomal profile to **25% Middle Eastern and 75% European** (early Italian, later Germanic, and medieval Slavic mothers). Today, all Ashkenazi Jews are a **50/50 blend** of these two groups. This merger occurred after the Western Jews were expelled from Latin-speaking countries—England in 1290 and France in 1306—leaving them to reside primarily in Germany. Following the **Black Death massacres** in the mid-1300s, which decimated the Western population in Germany, a tiny group of Germanic-speaking Jewish survivors moved East into Poland. There, they finally equalized in number with the historically small "Frontier" Jews who had moved East earlier.

The Power of the Frontier: Cologne, 321 CE

To understand the power of the Frontier Group, one must look to **Colonia Agrippina (Cologne)**. In **321 CE**, the Roman Emperor Constantine issued a famous edict proving that Jews were not just present, but powerful. The edict allowed Jews to be appointed to the city council, but it also contained a frantic warning: Jews were now prohibited from marrying and converting local women. The historical reality was clear: the Jews on the frontier were expanding. While they protected their paternal lineage with absolute rigidity, they were incorporating local women into the community—a process Constantine sought to halt as Christianity began its rise. This explains why only the Frontier (Erfurt-EU) group had Germanic DNA (despite living among Slavs by the 1300s), while the Western group did not (despite living in Germany for centuries). Only the "Frontier Pioneers" took Germanic wives during the pre-Constantine era. These early pioneers were the "conquerors" of the Germanic woods and later Slavic lands, maintaining their Judean paternal identity while adapting to the harsh life of the Roman frontier.

The Mystery of the R1a Levites: An Ezra-Sanctioned Lineage?

Both groups shared the majority of their paternal haplogroups, which trace back to pre-diaspora Israel. However, some lineages were only present in the Western group (such as **E-L795**), and others were only present in the Eastern group. The most stunning revelation of modern DNA concerns the **Ashkenazi Levites**. Today, roughly **50% of Ashkenazi Levites** (2.5% of the total population) carry a specific paternal marker: **R1a-Y2619**. Evidence from Erfurt suggests this lineage was **100% exclusive to the Frontier Group** and virtually non-existent in the Western Urban group. This lineage traces back to a single "Founder" who lived around **250 CE**, a date that corresponds perfectly with the devastating **Roman-Sassanid Wars**. As Antioch and the Galilee were engulfed in conflict, it appears a sole survivor of this family fled to the furthest reaches of the Roman Empire—the military camp of **Colonia**. Where did this "Frontier Levite" come from? Genetic data shows this line split from non-Jewish Persians and Kurds **2,900 years ago**. This gap makes the **Ezra Chapter 8** theory a primary candidate for the source:

>*"And I gathered them together to the river that runs to Ahava... and I found there none of the sons of Levi. Then sent I for... ministers for the house of our God... from the place **Casiphia**." (Ezra 8:15-17)*

Scholars link **Casiphia** to the **Caspian Sea region**—exactly where the genetic cousins of this Levite line are found today. It suggests that Ezra recruited these Persian-origin men from the Caspian region to serve as Levites in the Second Temple.

A One-Man Miracle

While the "Cynical Theory" might suggest a late conversion or a social outcast fleeing to the frontier, the **2,900-year divergence** from Persian Gentiles points toward an ancient, authenticated Jewish status. This lineage was part of the Jerusalem Temple Levite service for centuries before the Roman-Jewish Wars nearly wiped them out. The survivor of 250 CE was a man of destiny. By moving to the "Boondocks" of the German frontier, he protected a lineage that would have otherwise vanished. His descendants stayed on the move, eventually exploding in population around **750 CE**. Today, the fact that 50% of Ashkenazi Levites share this one man’s DNA is a testament to the success of the Pioneer Group.

Conclusion

Ashkenazi Jews today are the children of the **Urban Establishment** and the **Frontier Pioneer**. The paternal lines remain a laser-focused beam back to the Land of Israel at the end of the Second Temple era, even as the autosomal DNA reflects the diverse lands their maternal ancestors came from. From the massive genocides of medieval Western Europe to the city councils of Roman Cologne and the "Casiphia" Levites of the early Second Temple, the Ashkenazi Jewish story is one of high-stakes survival, where ancient Scripture and modern biology finally meet.

TL;DR edit:

My main point is that both groups had an "Italy > West EU > East EU" migration. But the smaller "Pioneer Frontier" group pushed the boundaries of the Roman world early on (France/Cologne, Germany before 321; and Slavic lands after 966). Whereas the much larger "Urban" group only moved later on (France/Germany ~8-900 Holy Roman Empire - including England after 1066; and Slavic lands after 1349 Black Death Massacres).

They only equalized in number after the Black Death Massacres (1349) pushed a very small group of Western survivors to the East, where they were now equal to the historically smaller group.

Similar to what happened after the Holocaust in America. (The Ridvaz actually mentioned this idea. He lived in Chicago early 1900's. Wrote a commentary on the Jerusalem Talmud)

Another important point is that both groups had pre-diaspora Judean Paternal lines. The Eastern (Frontier) group had more Maternal (and consequently Autosomal) DNA from early Germany (before 321) and later Slavic (966-1349), in addition to the early Italian (pre 4th century) Maternal DNA that the Western Urban group shared.

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u/Own-Highway-1762 — 5 days ago

Mixed Ashkenazi qpAdm model

Hi everyone! This is my first time posting, but I’ve been following this sub Reddit and similar ones for a while. I have one fully ashkenazi parent, an Italian grandparent, and an “old stock” American grandparent of predominantly British Isles/North Sea origin. My 23andMe and Ancestry.com results are above. I’ve been messing around with qpAdm on illustrative and here’s one of the models. I’ve also tried Wezmeh_N for Iran_N, different WHG sources, different EHG sources, and different outgroups, and they all produce similar models. Any feedback or advice would be appreciated especially as it pertains to out group selection.

Right list:
Mbuti, Papuan, Russia_UstIshim_IUP, Russia_Kostenki14_UP, India_Andaman, China_TianyuanCave_UP, Kenya_PastoralN, Georgia_DzudzuanaCave_UP, Morocco_Taforalt_Iberomaurusian, Czechia_Vestonice16_UP, Russia_Mal’ta_UP, Belgium_GoyetQ116_UP, Italy_Abruzzo_Epigravettian, Turkey_Pinarbasi_Epipaleolithic, Turkey_Central_Boncuklu_PPN, Russia_Sidelkino_Mesolithic, Georgia_Satsurblia_LateUP, Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N

u/WhichProfit6632 — 8 days ago

Just half Ashkenazi but consistently high Germanic

So my background is half Ashkenazi half Moroccan Sephardic, but for some reason I show a consistently high Germanic component in my ancient breakdowns. Above are my results from Illustrative and AncestralGenome which uses G25. On commercial tests I also get a trace northwest euro component, which seems to indicate that I have excess Germanic ancestry for my background.

I was wondering if anyone here has anything to make of this. I saw in another thread someone bring up that marriages between Jews and Germanic pagans in antiquity weren’t unheard of, with the Goths being more tolerant towards Jews in comparison to the Romans. Maybe something like that is at work here?

u/Due_Succotash6158 — 12 days ago

The genetic averages of various populations to the Samaritans, based on IllustrativeDNA

Each of those samples were copy-pasted into an Excel sheet, which has the following columns: username, descent, genetic distance from the Samaritans, Samaritans' ranking in closest populations, source of information (links), geographic background.

Notes:

  1. Each of these listed above populations are comprised of individuals whom are at least 50% of said ancestry.
  2. The Syrian Christians leading the chart are of Samaritan origin (Danfi); their ancestors converted in the 19th Century after the pogrom against the Samaritans in Damascus.
  3. The palestinian muslims' and jordanian muslims' averages are expected to "grow": 6 of the palestinian muslims and all of the jordanians had no Samaritans in their published closest populations lists; so to include them I had to add 0.1 to their last distance and 1 more place to the last captioned/stated population.

Also, before these six's inclusion, the palestinian muslims were at a genetic distance of ~5, but then were added an individual who's half Samaritan and their average got closer.

  1. The German Jew recorded here is half Yemenite Jew, so back to note #1.

  2. There are many individuals of mixture of 4 or 5 European Jewish communities that are below the 50% requirement of being a stand-alone bar/category and thus were calculated as a "European Jewish average".

  3. The Cypriot Jew is only half of such descent, he is 25% Cypriot Non-Jew and 25% Canary Islander.

  4. Five of the nine jordanian christians here are from a single family, whose maternal grandmother was an unspecified syrian christian from damascus.

  5. All but one of the Yemenite Jews were mixed; but still half of their affinity comes from Yemen.

  6. The Judean samples from the Roman era are imputations, scaled by ExploreYourDNA.com; it's not real science. I used them for fun.

  7. The Libyan Jew presented here did not identified as such, sadly he just shared his genetic distance and ranking with me before deactivating. I found comments that referred to him as such, if that would be proven wrong, I will update this.

u/HebrewWolfman — 10 days ago

I don’t know if I’m jewish or not anymore

For reference im 17. i grew up thinking i was jewish on my mothers side. I thought she was nonpracticing jewish, and that my grandma and great grandparents were practicing.
She told me we were jewish at a young age and i really did internalize it. I wasnt raised religiously or culturally jewish though. But Only recently she told me her mom, my grandma, was adopted.

My great grandparents were ethnically and religiously jewish. They adopted my grandma and raised her jewish. However she is an abuser and she barely took care of my mom in the first place and so she didn't care to pass it down at all. My mother became Christian by herself as a teenager. I've always felt robbed of being raised religiously/culturally jewish due to that especially since i thought i was jewish by blood and ive always been interested in i guess converting. but my aunt got a dna test and it turns out im not jewish at all bloodwise (at least on my moms side. would be a crazy twist if my dad was jewish Imao)

so l have ethnically and religiously jewish family, and literally grew up thinking I was jewish, just didnt practice the religion or culture (Yet). I have always been interesting in practicing the cultural aspects, although i never thought i could Really get into believing any religion. I seriously could've been raised culturally/religiously jewish if my grandma wasn't an inadequate parent. I guess I'm just confused because it was already complex but now i'm kinda getting fomo or something. Idk. I don't understand why she would tell me that if we aren't. But I dont Know because idk how adoption plays into thus... Is it worth talking to a rabbi about this btw and if so what kind of questions would be good?
So now I literally just dont know if im considered jewish or not and its honestly really distressing me.

I know just its complex because its an ethnoreligion but this isnt just ethnically, this is Religiously and culturally as well, but it just. didnt continue in my family. And I would seriously love to pick it back up. Am i considered jewish rn or do i need to like, convert? So.. Anything at all helps, Thank you in advance I really, really, really appreciate it.

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u/Shoddy-Estimate-6999 — 11 days ago