A few ways this film could have been underrated is if Harley Quinn had more action and compassion for the Joker that is not pragmatic. There could also be a real villain unlike Joker and Quinn who could be the victims. They could have also died together at the end sharing a final kiss. What do you think?
so I originally boycotted this movie but I was bored and decided to give it a watch on HBO.
is Hollywood really that allergic to money?
My first impressions were "This isn't as bad as critics made it seem" Joaquin Phoenix did a great job yet again as the Joker.
But holy crap was this movie BAD.
A movie nobody asked for and actively said "No don't do that" was somehow greenlit. I found myself skipping through the god awful musical sections. they're pointless and serve zilch to the story.
The half of the movie going over Fleck in prison isn't terrible then we just see the writers murder the character quite literally.
Fleck flickers between mental states he's not the joker he is the Joker back and forth until he gives up for whatever lazy writing reason. Lady Gaga did a terrible "Quinn" if you really want to call whatever that poor excuse for writing was "Harley Quinn" from the Grape scene to the last scene in the movie what the actual fk was that? You had a critically acclaimed movie with Joker. An absolute blockbuster success fans LOVED it then you go "let's give them what they don't want". This movie was genuinely abysmal. it's quite a shame Joaquin Phoenix was a great Joker. are we going to explore the person who killed him at the end or was the ending the writer admitting "this movie sucks I wrote a definitive ending so I don't have to make a sequel"
The Good? Joaquin Phoenix doing his thing and being a genuinely good actor.
The Bad? literally everything else.
Hi everyone. Will there be a Joker 3? Todd Phillips said he won't be making any more movies in this universe. However, I think it's very likely they'll make a prequel or spin-off, like a solo Lee movie, maybe a Penny Fleck prequel, or something else from this universe. What do you think?
⚠️ WARNING HAS SPOILERS and wrote this on tumblr before hand ⚠️
Joker Folie à Deux is GENUINLEY such a sad movie and I sympathize about it a lot
i remember watching it on the plane but it really hit me tonight for some reason.
the whole idea is that this guy Arthur is like really mentally unstable (from childhood trauma in the 1st movie) and in the second movie he is going on trial for a murder he committed.
the whole question was whether he intentionally committed the crime. now his lawyer said no because he has an identity disorder (the violent joker) and wasn’t aware of what was happening
now everyone loved him because he killed like 3 rich people and joker soon became a symbol of like anti-corruption and billionaires which everyone needed at the time.
Arthur meets his lover Lee while in trial and she is obsessed with Joker not Arthur but JOKER because of his crazy chaotic and brave personality. actually so much people love him because of Joker and not Arthur which is how he becomes so popular
but in the midst of it all his last trial he fires his lawyer and decides to represent himself CONFESSING he intentionally murdered those 3 billionaires.
this literally causes an uprising and so many jokers want to help him escape and they r ultimately just being violent, but Arthur never accepts the help because there’s a change in him
he hates his violent self and the moment he drops the Joker act everyone turns on him: all his fans and Lee
soon enough he’s killed in the prison cell and it’s all because he “betrayed” Joker.
Just to be clear: joker = violent, chaotic, escape from the oppressed Arthur
so my analysis here is first the use of Joker as a symbol is beautiful but very stupid it reminds me of code geass and Zero being a symbol.
The reason I say is stupid is because the person who made the symbol, Arthur, is turned upon all because he takes accountability and tries to make real change.
Everyone hates him and are too ignorant to accept the fact this symbol they r fighting for is/can be wrong.
This happens so much right now in politics, ethics, like everything (specifically the jubilee videos where people do not give any substantial reasoning) 😭
everyone is using violence as that’s what we were all biologically drived to do but for some reason Arthur is the only one using rationality BUT STILL BE HATED!!!
going back to code geass this is what happens to Zero, everyone wants to use violence and just kill kill kill but he makes planned attacks and sacrifices himself so that the symbol is more clear: Peace NOT Violence.
This is what joker always wanted he was always made fun of and laughed at and all he ever wanted was love and not hate. Everyone misinterpreted him OF COURSE HE WANTED LOVE he literally fell in love with an inmate.
The movie is so sad and Arthur is so misunderstood just like the new Backrooms and Obsession movie.