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Need some advice on purchasing a 300 W pulse Laser

Does anyone have any knowledge or input on the 300 W machines? I keep getting different information from different vendors and different people online. I’m looking at a 300 W pulse laser that is a 15 MJ. I was told that this would help remove clearcoat and stain off of cabinet doors boxes and Furniture as I am in the refinishing business high-end high volume. I was told that this laser would be able to help with other tasks as well like removing paint or lacquer colors. Whereas the five MJ would take longer and would have difficulty with certain tasks. Is this true as some vendors are pushing me towards these very low two MJ or five MJ saying that I need this as a beginner lol. I’m not in the market to be spending thousands here just to spend thousands more down the road obviously this is all trial and error and learning your machine in the correct settings. But I will not be doing any metal work or anything of that so it’s basically for removing clearcoat and stain efficiently. I don’t wanna spend hours removing a finish off of a chair.

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u/United-We-stand2021 — 1 day ago
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SOCORRO horas y horas perdidas, para buscar una máquina de limpieza laser de pulsos de unos 300w, ayuda por favor.

Leo y releo gemini, chat gpt, foros pero nada. Quiero una máquina de limpieza laser por pulsos de unos 300w, imagino que tendría que ser china ya que mi presupuesto máximo es 10000 Euros puesta en España. ¿Alguien del foro compró una, la probó, funciona bien y podría poner el enlace a la misma? Gracias anticipadas

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u/Fancy_Fig8984 — 2 days ago
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Boat paint (anti-foul) stripping

Would a laser strip boat anti-foul?;

It is quite thick paint, often double coated so wonder would a laser get through it?

Tends to stay reasonably soft as it is constantly wearing away to expose fresh paint (by design)

I understand the PPE would need to be top notch as the paint is generally loaded with biocide, but that's not an issue

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u/DrunkenBoatman — 6 days ago

Peak power: an fundamental yet underrated parameter for pulsed lasers

Laser manufacturers emphasize the average power, followed by the energy deposited per pulse. For example: 500 W, 5 mJ.

But for a pulsed fiber laser, average power is not a particularly useful quantity on its own (except for roughly categorizing the product line), because it includes all the time during which the laser is doing… nothing.

Peak power, on the other hand, which is barely advertised or buried in the manufacturers' spec sheets (sometimes not even given, or worse written with a wrong value!) is the actual maximum power delivered by the laser when it fires.

I would even go so far as to say that, fundamentally, peak power is the key parameter of pulsed lasers that sets them apart from CW lasers.

But the thing is, peak power reaches completely different levels that depend much more on the pulse energy than on the advertised average power! Indeed:

P_peak = E / τ

where τ (Greek letter "tau") is the pulse width, i.e. the duration of each pulse usually expressed in nanoseconds (ns).

On a line graph, energy is the integral of the power curve across the pulse width (i.e. the area under the curve). So one does not immediately associate energy with peak power (which is the height of the curve on the Y-axis). Indeed, a very high but very narrow pulse has a high peak power yet often has relatively low energy.

Yet if you look at the waveform graphs in this JPT user manual (figures 4.1 to 4.3 on pages numbered 6-7, actual pages 10-11 in the PDF) as well as the exhaustive data at VONJAN, you can see the following max peak powers:

  • A 1.5-2 mJ pulsed laser (whether 200W or 300W average!) develops a peak power of about 10 kW
  • A 5 mJ pulsed laser (whether 200W or 300W) develops a peak power of about 20 kW
  • A 15 mJ pulsed laser (whether 300W or 500W) develops a peak power of about 100 kW. Yes, 100,000 watts!
  • A 50 mJ pulsed laser (whether 500W, 1000W or 2000W) develops a peak power of about 350 kW
  • A 100 mJ pulsed laser (whether 1000W or 2000W) reaches a peak power of 1 MW!

The progression, which I added as the red bar chart (attached) appears insane and you can't unsee it afterward. Actually, it's not exponential, it's perfectly linear. It only appears exponential because the energy gap between two consecutive laser models increases dramatically in each manufacturer's lineup. Which we don't often see because the progression of a lineup for any brand gently increases linearly, at least in the beginning: 100W, 200W, 300W, 500W (not only after we switch to 1000W, 2000W).

— Special Case
You might then think: "So a 200W 5mJ laser is better than a 300W 1.5mJ laser, because it has both higher energy and higher peak power?"

Yes and no. This is where the characteristics overlap in a more complex way. Because of the cut-off frequency, the usable frequency range of lower-power models becomes limited when one wants to keep high energy per pulse. Even if a lower-average-power laser offers higher peak power and higher energy, you may have to wait longer between pulses, which slows down the work significantly.

The basic relation remains:

P_avg = E × f

So, for the same pulse energy, a higher average power (e.g. 500W vs 300W) simply means the laser can emit its pulses at peak power more frequently.

u/flux_capacitor78 — 6 days ago

15a circuit?

Hi - I have an SFX AGC 300w pulsed laser. I currently have 2 power cables that came with it. 1 is a 20A NEMA 6-20, which is primarily what I use on my generator and garage outlet. The 2nd one is a standard (U.S.) 120v 5-15.

I'm curious if anyone uses their 300w pulsed laser on a 15a circuit. Because I don't always have access to a 20a circuit, it'd be nice to occasionally use the 15a power cable it came with...without worrying about tripping circuits.

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u/Temecal — 7 days ago

Has the scene around multi-mode lasers changed or am I misunderstanding pulse energy, frequency and power?

Let's take, for example, a 300W, 15mJ pulse laser with a variable frequency between 20 kHz and 200 kHz.

The 300W is the maximum average power of the machine.

The power equation:

Power = pulse energy * frequency

To find the frequency of a laser working at 300W, 15mJ, the modified equation is:

Frequency = Power/Pulse Energy

Frequency = 300/0.015 = 20 000 Hz = 20kHz, so on the bottom end of the spectrum.

Many people here and in various FB groups say (or have said in posts a year old and older) that pulse energy can't be adjusted, so you have to buy the proper laser for the job. However, if the frequency is adjustable, and 300W at 15mJ is the bottom end, by increasing the frequency all the way to 200kHz, I get down to 1.5 mJ (else the power would have to go up to 3kW), thus having a fully adjustable 1.5mJ to 15mJ machine?

What am I missing? By "pulse energy can't be adjusted," do they mean it can't be dialed down directly, and therefore must be adjusted indirectly by changing said frequency, or am I completely misunderstanding the principle of these machines?

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u/bluemelon1 — 11 days ago

Fume extractor question

Just wondering what type of fume extractor everyone is running. I just purchased a 300w pulse machine and am trying to find the right fit for my setup. Here’s one I found that looks promising, anyone have any experience with it or similar extractors? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

u/OppositeSeat5229 — 12 days ago