Made this after that photo Marc posted after taking a dig at Mike Winger
u/Throwaway_User999_ — 5 days ago
r/LeavingNAR
Che Ahn Was My Worst Spiritual Abuser and Former Brother-in-Law
Two years ago, God repeatedly had to tell me to stop grieving Saul when He had me leave my last NAR church based in Hollywood and leave the NAR cult system once and for all.
God is done with the King Sauls—the narcissistic, ignorant and power-hungry authoritarian type of “pastors” and He is looking to raise the Davids with pure hearts and a real desire to give God all the glory.
I believe this is the moment when NAR victims need to speak out—not to rehearse wounds or seek sympathy, but to sound the alarm. To stand firm and say, clearly and unapologetically: “Stay away from these NAR wolves in sheep’s clothing.”
I myself barely survived my past encounters with this big bad NAR wolf and the many false apostles and prophets still aligned with him. My message these days is: “Learn from my scars. Protect yourself. Run away from any NAR church—and don’t look back!”
Hello! My name is Pia Hugo. I am a survivor of childhood sexual assault (CSA) and adult domestic violence (DV). I am also a survivor of spiritual and clergy abuse. I met my NAR pastor, Che Ahn, when he was a nobody. I was 19 and very impressionable. I married his wife’s brother upon his recommendation. My spouse turned out to be an abusive narcissist who eventually became physically violent. When I complained to Che and Sue (his wife and my husband’s sister) and showed them my bruises, they blamed me for not submitting more, obeying more, and they said I just need to “keep doing whatever my husband says.” Don’t question. Don’t use your critical thinking skills. Just shut up, comply, and be silent.
I eventually got a divorce after 10 years and was immediately shunned and later kicked out of this NAR church which was located in Pasadena, CA. Stupidly I went to another NAR church in Hollywood years later. Some of you may be aware of the fact that cults are very hard to leave when you’ve been drinking the Kool Aid for so long (40 years in my case). When this last NAR church ended up being even more dysfunctional and the pastor started having sexual indiscretions and his wife (who was my friend) was forced to divorce him, I was done.
I have been through many years of healing and therapy now. I have dug deep into the Word and listened to scholarly discourses. Thankfully, I am no longer just healing but also learning the Bible anew. I am also confronting the wolves who sought to devour us. I am learning to wield the sword of truth—speaking boldly, standing firmly, and refusing to be silenced—so survivors like us can gather in safety. So we can live, work, and heal together. So we can build spaces of refuge (like here in Reddit), where peace replaces fear and we finally rest in green pastures beside still waters next to our Good Good Shepherd. The only real shepherd we will ever truly need.
If you want to watch my interview with Christian podcaster Ron Cantor, here is the link:
u/Vast-Meringue-2539 — 7 days ago
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When NAR Deconstruction Trends, Suddenly It’s Aliens! 👽
Several high-profile pastors have recently claimed they were privately warned by U.S. government/intelligence-connected figures to prepare churches for coming UFO revelations and “spiritual warfare” implications. But there’s still no public evidence or official confirmation of these meetings.
Anyone else think this feels like a massive red herring?
Right as abuse scandals, cover-up culture, and deconstruction stories are gaining momentum, suddenly the conversation shifts toward aliens, demons, disclosure, and cosmic warfare — a bigger, stranger, emotionally charged narrative that pulls focus from the actual scrutiny.
The timing is hard to ignore...
I enjoyed this conversation over at RE3: Rethink Renew Reconstruct:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BfuvGbzhDc
u/EdifyAndCreate — 7 days ago
Loren Livingston
If you have a half hour to kill this is an amazing emboldening sermon!!! This is done by Pastor Loren Livingston. He pastors Central Church in Charlotte NC. He’s a Pentecostal preacher who’s very anti Charismatic and even more anti NAR. Here he gives a scathing Biblical rebuke against Deliverance and Generational Curses. It encouraged me and I hope it builds you up too! God Bless
u/CheeseLoving88 — 6 days ago
I was an Associate Pastor in a NAR church who stepped down. Part 2 (and hopefully the final part)
If anyone didnt get a chance to read my original story, here it is. this is a follow up to what happened.
TLDR of the original story, I was an associate pastor in a NAR church for 2 years and one of the board members for 6. I began to burnout hard, almost destroyed my marriage and was ignored and berrated by the lead pastor for quitting. what followed was a year of confusion and heartache, filled with arguments, questions and what we thought was some level of catharsis.
We were looking for a more solid church we could attend but in the mean time we stayed as members of the NAR church. Which I will fully own as a horrible idea, We should have left immidiately, but those of you who have been in these churches long term understand how culty they can be, and how difficult it is to remove yourself from them.
So as time has gone on, we have had a hard time finding where to go next, on sundays we would attend the NAR church, and leave and discuss what we heard, what was truth, and what was nonsense. This lead to a few weeks ago, there was a trainwreck of a sermon by the lead pastor.
for context, I have a masters of divinity in Theology, and I am currently doing post-graduate research in church history and theology and I am a former professor of hermeneutics. I had some major problems with the sermon, there was some flat out unbiblical language, eisegetical interpretations, and novel revelations. All of it hinged on a word study of a two greek and hebrew words that was worse than some of the freshman papers i read while teaching.
I wrote an 8 page refute of the sermon, and gave it to a board memeber. He and I met and discussed what would follow. He said he would talk to the lead pastor but he encouraged me to do so. EDIT: He also said he would not share anything until I explicitly gave him permission or talked to the pastor first. I was clear that I am not this man's accountability, it is the boards job to deal with that, but I have many other concerns with the structure of the church and the theology so I will meet with the lead pastor.
in the time that lead up to this meeting, my wife confided in another board member with our concerns, and this board member went behind our back and told the Lead pastor.
So when i met with him, I said "i have some questions about one of your sermons" to which he replied "Oh I heard from X andY about that" and then proceeded to launch into a defensive diatribe about how he builds sermons and all that the Lord is calling him to do.
I want to share some direct quotes from the sermon so you can see the level of narcissistic control these people try to assume over church members.
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"I am teaching because you need a greater revelation"
"my preaching gets dull, I just start quoting Bible verses and not feeling them"
"I refuse to argue with them (people who are very studious of the Bible but are "dwelling not abiding"), I'm a man of conviction, once I get it solid with God you cannot sway me once I get an agreement between me and the Holy Spirit."
"How many want to hear from the Holy Spirit? There a promise that the religious spirit will say cant happen"
" Once I create an agreement with God I dont care who comes against me, I dont care about pedigree, I dont care how many letters they have after their name, if it goes against the word of God and what ive come into agreement (with God) with, you will not move me"
"If you dont believe the revelation Im giving you today, you are not fit to carry the glory of God."
"I love you but its not about you, I will use you for the glory of God"
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Now it should be clear to anyone with a brain that these words are so damaging and dangerous. This pastor places himself as an "apostle" and preaches things that sound closer to 2nd century Gnosticism than the gospel.
So in the meeting, he talked for the majority of it, and when I called out his poor exegetical work of the Psalm he was "preaching" on, He said "well I did the wordy study so Im solid in what I preached, I think its correct"
He proceeded to quote II Corinthians 13:1 that all matters should be established by two or three witnesses and said that his study and the confirmation of the Spirit are his "witnesses" that prove he is correct.
Furthermore, He said "I preach so much I dont remember everything I preach" huge red flag
He also said "was it weak? probably, but the Spirit gave it to me" ...Holy f*ckin airball dude.
The meeting went on for 90 minutes of him dodging and deflecting and changing the topic. in the end I walked out with more questions than answers.
The next day we (my wife and I) texted the two board members who we had shared with, and found out that one went behind our back, and the other was then cornered by the lead pastor to find out what He knew.
The board member who betrayed our trust said " How could I know youre having these issues and NOT tell the pastor? Its when we keep these things hidden that they become a bigger problem, nothing wrong with having questions but it cant just be left to become something bigger."
her words make it sound like critical thinking is dangerous
To which My wife firmly told her, It was our conversation to have, and we WERE engaging leadership about it, but on our terms. She told her not to do it again and she had no right to betray our trust like that.
no response.
SO here we are, standing at the end. Not sure of what comes next, but I know the time to move on came long ago and We cannot stay. The people in leadership of these churches think they have all the zeal and Spirit in the world.
With narcissistic cults of personality within Christianity, there is always an abundance of Scripture used to justify actions ,the problem is every bit of it is out of context,
for anyone considering walking away from the NAR, do it, do it now, and do NOT look back. Learn from my mistakes and dont hang around the fence, just go.
u/HalfDeadBatteries — 9 days ago
Who the Lord sets free is free indeed.
The Gospel calls the broken and weary into rest.
No more striving for what was never ours to carry.
Christ alone.
Scripture alone.
u/EdifyAndCreate — 14 days ago