r/LessLethalOptions

I just got my new umarex rbi 7.67 gram balls and wanted to test them. Safe to say they work 🤣

I am not able to own a gun right now. I have a small thing of pepper gel already, but I'm worried about if someone breaks into my house or I am in an enclosed space that pepper wouldn't be ideal.

I was looking at the compact version. Reviews and videos look good. I am worried that the barrel being shorter would decrease accuracy though.

So what does everyone think? Would one of these even be worth picking up?

I've been really impressed with the SMK Victory cp2/Diana Chaser/Stinger Ares- whichever you prefer to call it! I've got a 25 yard range set up in my back garden and it's pretty much pinpoint accurate so I'm guessing it could go out even further- not bad for a co2 carbine!

The other outlier in my collection is what was known as the Umarex T4E HDX 68, although I believe they've changed the name to a slightly more 'family friendly' one now! I can only have the 16 joules version legally in my country but it's still a beast- darned near as heavy and as accurate to a real pump action body that you can get in this country.

I've got a Hawke red dot on the cp2 and an expensive Japanese prism dot on the Umarex- I bought it with the Umarex in a deal and having 16 68 calibre shots is, I believe, much more practical than the 6 shot revolver types.

If I lived in the US though I must admit I'd be tempted by the high joule Pistelle- those guns are sick!

SMK CP2 & UMAREX T4E HDX 68

I live in a small town, mostly very peaceful but we do have a handful of meth addicts that roam around at night. Most of these meth addicts are just thieves and tweakers looking to get their next fix. Rarely are they violent however, last night, I did get approached by one of the violent ones as I was walking and doing cardio outside. Long story short, he approached me rudely and I responded back to him rudely. This caused him to get in my face and start cursing at me which led to me cursing him out to then him pulling a knife on me, and poking me in my chest with it to intimidate me. I had a thick hoodie on and was not cut and after he got done intimidating me he continued walking and I went home and called the police to file a report.

Now with that said I will probably think twice about responding to someone I do not know rudely, even if they were rude to me first, especially at night time. Lesson learned.

But now I am researching my options for non-lethal self-defense. I will likely buy pepper spray (any brand recommendations would be great) and I want a high powered non-lethal projectile gun like the Pistelle X-68 gen 2 or IntruBuster gen 2.

I can get the Pistelle X-68 gen 2 for around $413 using a coupon

I can get the Intrubuster gen 2 for $250 from their website

Besides the price difference all I can really see is that the Pistelle is maybe slightly stronger (maybe not strong enough to justify the price cost, which is around $150 extra). But I hear the Pistelle is made with better parts, proven to be reliable (atleast the modern gen 2 versions) and is still king in the area of high powered non-lethal guns.

I intend to carry either gun with aluminum projectiles but feel free to recommend something different. I just want the strongest ammo I can use as I only intend to ever pull these things out when I am put in a situation like last night.

Are there any things I should be aware of with either gun? I know I need to buy grease and oil to do maintenance on the guns. I already have that in my cart. I know both guns take .68 caliber projectiles but I am not sure if I need to buy a certain weight (like 7g projectiles, 3g projectiles, etc).

I plan to put a lot of rounds through these things to build muscle memory and get good at aiming it but once that is done I will likely stop using it and only bring it with me on walks at night loaded with the preferred projectiles so as far as I know, these guns do NOT need to be used regularly to perform well but if I'm wrong let me know.

Less Lethal airguns for self defense are misunderstood. You’ll hear strong takes from legal experts like John Correia, Colion Noir, and Massad Ayoob…and a lot of it makes sense. But when you really start looking at how less lethal tools fit into real-world concealed carry, it’s not that simple.

In this video, I break down what these experts get right and where I think people start missing the bigger picture when it comes to less lethal defense. Because the real question isn’t: “Is less lethal as good as a firearm?”

https://youtu.be/FPMYzXCLFHg?si=jRNyOuhhxbvUdlsR

It’s: When does it actually make sense to carry and will you carry it consistently? That’s where things get interesting.