r/LiesOfP

Please tell me it gets better after this infuriating chapter, Also why is navigating it so painful without shortcuts, A ranged attacker at the end of every plank and every drop is enough to kill you, I've just seen the mini boss at the end but getting their relatively safe is proving difficult.

Any tips for a new player?

Edit: I have been throwing stuff at the clingons so they drop .

Final Edit: Cleared that section of the Cathedral thank you all for the quick tips, I'll be sure to check the mega thread from now on.

>!i finished lies of p for the first time ever today, and i loved almost every second of it, the game is remarkable in so many ways and i could go on and on about it.!<

>!before i finished it i knew about the endings, in a way, i knew there is a bad good and true ending and i knew that lying more and more often would make me achieve a "better" ending (my friend told me relatively early on in my playthrough).!<

>!when it came down to the final decision i sort of panicked and picked the option that leads to the bad ending (give geppeto your heart) when i could have gotten the true ending and i am really angry at myself for doing that and its left a really bitter taste in my mouth despite loving 90% of the game.!<

>!has this happened to anyone else? i feel stupid with how deceived i was when all of the answers were right in front of my face and its honestly making me not want to play the dlc because of the sour taste my poor decisions left in my mouth!<

But why the hell geppeto wanted to kill lea?

To preface, recently completed it, what a fun game. I'm not an NG+ cycles guy, but combat in this game is so engaging, I'm running a new play right away.
Personally, the story is fine for a videogame, if a bit predictable. Style and music do the heavy lifting, at least for me.

I've seen many people praise the way game has handled lying and the idea how lying is very much a human thing. Fun fact, animals (and insects) can lie too, but I'd hate to put "aktually" glasses for a poetic artistic vision devs tried to craft.

My gripe with it is that lying in the game presented not just as a human, but a humane thing. And it just doesn't always work.
In the game, you can generalize lying into 2 categories. Lying to protect yourself or someone else and avoid the unnecessary violence - absolutely legit and properly done.

And lying to be kind and make someone feel better. And here I think where the writers fail, since a lot of the time you infantilize characters to make them feel better, which is disrespectful at best and unkind or plain evil at worst.

I'll start with weak examples and escalate towards the stronger points. (spoilers, obviously)

1. Telling an old lady she still retains some beauty from her youthful portrait. Not even a lie. There was a recent post on how every character in the game is extra pretty, old lady included. At worst it's not a lie, but a flattery. Which is totally fine.

2. The best example is the sick lady quest in the beginning. At the face value, her request is selfish and monstrous. Take her baby from a family fleeing a calamity and get it to a dying sick mother, which will doom the baby.
   But she obviously is not thinking straight either from a disease or the sheer grief (there's even a sign in that area saying that everybody there is sick or a lunatic). Lying to ease her final moments is a humane thing to do, although accepting the quest in the first place seems a bit weird.

3. Lying about the message robot waifu left for a gentleman. In NG+ cycles turns out to not even be a lie, but canonically we have no way of knowing that. At that point, we don't even have any evidence if puppets can be sentient, P included.

I get he is in grief and has a big sad, but how is this moral or kind?
If one of your friends falls in love with an AI chat bot, and then chat bot's memory gets wiped, and your friend is moping around (there've been such cases irl), would you tell him the AI loved him back? Or would you try to pull him back into reality?

That's the thing with trying to make people feel better, that is not always kind. If your kid wants to eat pizza and watch tiktok all day instead of studying or playing with friends, allowing it will indeed make him feel better. Is it kind though?

4. The biggest examples are in the DLC. Lying to a dying fisherman about his village. That is so infantilizing and disrespectful. The absolute UNIT of a fisherman, who among all the gloom and chaos chose to spend his final moments doing what he loved. Doesn't this hardened old sailor deserve to know the truth? The guy is so intense he battled fish for three days and nights, putting his life on the line, but we're gonna treat him like a ten year old boy?
   I absolutely get the opposite perspective, and easing his passing is humane, I would love nothing more. But there are other ways. Share a beer and a story with him, keep him company, speculate on whether someone managed to escape the village. But we're locked into binary truth/lie option, and the game telling you what is a good option by rewarding only one.

5. Lying to a blind lady about her canvas being blank. Do I even need to say anything here? Granted, I told the truth and got locked out of the quest, so may be it turns out we're saving the world by doing this. Would be more like writers contort themselves to justify a morally wrong act. It's even worse than with the sick lady. At least there we're lacking context and knowledge about the world at the start of the game.

Should we sell her like a dead hamster while we're at it? And tell her hamster doesn't move because he is lazy. And the smell? They all smell bad.

"The game is about lying, you gotta lie, bro".
"You don't have to choose lie, it's still your choice".

The game takes a stance on what is good by rewarding humanity which contributes to a better ending. I think the story's heart or intentions are probably in the right place, but it's moral compass is misguided.

It doesn't point north, but instead points into like a Miyazaki's poison swamp.

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Do you guys think both are going to be similar, and also, what do we think about some of the Alice and P's shipping and how this would impact both games

I’m on Simon Manus right now and while his second phase is okay for the most part, I cannot make use of the stagger window without at least getting hit for half my health.

Every time he’s staggerable he summons hand of god and if I go for the stagger by the time I’m out of my animation it hits me because the animation is so long, but if I try to wait out the attack his stagger state disappears lol.

I already feel like getting staggers off feels like rng sometimes depending on if the boss decides to do certain moves or run away, but this feels even worse here. Is there any way to safely stagger him?

After the first fight. I found a gold tree and a alch....pharmacist. where to go after that

No joke, besides the soundtrack and the overall aesthetic of Krat, P is what got me to play this game. This twink was my gateway into Soulslike games because he's that hot.

She's cute AND she loves cats? Eugénie, my beloved. She was the first person I worried about when Hotel Krat was attacked, followed closely by Antonia.

I get why Alexander (implied) and Simon wanted her. I'd consider getting Carmen'd too for a chance with her.

I hate to say it because he sucks, but the man is a silver fox. Considering how Carlo turned out, this man was probably a looker in his youth too.

He is loud in every way and it's wonderful. We love a goofy man with a heart of gold.

Petrification Disease or not, she aged with grace. Polendina has immaculate taste. I want her in the most respecful, platonic way there is.

This woman was mogging me throughout the entire DLC and I loved it. She even gave me a cool ass sword to use for NG+

This is from the Nexus mod that switches P for pre-King of Puppets Romeo. I believe the model is ripped straight from Overture. Look at this man... My god.

I already thought this guy was cute from how dorky he is, but according to the artbook, he looks like THAT under the mask.

I'm not a furry, but The Tracker/Alidoro's voice is so, so nice. Pair that with his genuine compassion and hoooo boy... I wonder what his and Eugénie's parents were like if their kids turned out like this. R.I.P. I wish P could have warned him.

Like with Alidoro, it's all in the voice. I'll give them all the Coin Fruit they want if I get both of them.

I could keep going, but this is getting long enough. Curse you, Neowiz.

For the trophies where you need to obtain and listen to all records and also learn all gestures is it possible to do these in separate games. For example I’m missing the gesture you get from telling that guy in Rosa Isabell his puppet left a note so if I get that in another playthrough will I get the achievement. And same goes for records

Also how much humanity is needed to get the special ending. Is it possible to save scum from before talking to Sophia or does it depend on how many lies I say during the game?