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Two-ish years ago I dined at a few green star restaurants in Switzerland, France, etc. and found them to be MUCH more my vibe than the traditional 3 star joints. The setting felt authentic, the food was more intentional and the drama was left to the quality of the bites and ingredients. Michelin has since gone away with them as we know but was wondering if there is any history or lists that exist to still be able to dine at some of these spots. The two that were most memorable were Frédéric Molina au Moulin de Léré and La Pinte des Mossettes.
Can anyone recommend similar restaurants anywhere or a list of former green star establishments?
I am by no means a food expert and certainly don’t have the most refined pallet so take my opinions with a grain of salt.
I’ve been to 4 one star Michelin restaurants, two in the U.S. and 2 in Europe.
Both of the U.S. places ( Chicago - Boka, LA - Meteora ) had phenomenal food. Absolute flavor bomb sauces for nearly every dish. The two in Europe ( Rome, Valencia - Riff ) were good but had far less flavor. My thought was that maybe they are trying to let the main ingredient shine.
Still, out of the five friends that were with me at both Meteora and Riff, no one thought Riff was better. In fact no one was sure if the best dish at Riff was better than the worst at Meteora.
So I’m wondering if perhaps the European standards are lower? Not really sure why that would be. Or maybe if the U.S. is more flavor focused rather than technique.
Not trying to disparage the European chefs at all. Those meals were still great.
Need help with recommendations for a solo dinner at a (3) or (2) star Michelin spot in London.
Open to all cuisine preferences! Have done Gymkhana in Vegas.
Edit: staying in the Mayfair area. Looking to stay within 20min travel radius.
Thanks in advance!
Hello all, i plan to propose in November in tokyo. Please provide some reccomendations of where to visit. Thank you
Mine are Stars in SF, Corton in NYC, Campanile in LA and Harveys in London.
All bangers. The bluefin tuna dish was my least favorite, but still enjoyed it.
local blue fin tuna crudo
watermelon dashi, tokyo turnip, snap peas, trout roe, fig oil
crispy pig ears
chili de arbol, fish sauce caramel, cilantro, allium flowers
bone marrow
short rib, chanterelle mushrooms, concord grapes, pickled pearl onion, horseradish
westholme wagyu tomahawk
med rare
crispy potato
wagyu fat, chickpea miso
I’m going to SF in a week and I’ve heard a lot about Nari and Kin Khao. They’re the only two starred Thai restaurants in the US. My question is, are they worth going to over Khao Tiew? I’ve heard so many better things about Khao Tiew, the two one stars are easy to book, whilst Khao Tiew is now walk in only because of how popular it has gotten. Any thoughts for those who’ve been to them?
I kept wanting to look up whether a place had ever been reviewed or won anything, and there's no good way to do that. Eater redoes their list every year and the old one's gone (and the quality is a bit iffy after the layoffs last year). Globe reviews are paywalled and you can't search by restaurant. So I made this.
It's every independent place to eat in Cambridge, 390 of them, from the city's permit list. So it's got the bakeries and the dive bars, not just the ones people write about.
Where a place has been reviewed or nominated for something, it shows the history with links out. Michelin, James Beard, Globe reviews, NYT. Oleana's got 14 years of Beard nominations on there.
Most places have no citations, which just means none of those four wrote about them. It does sort them into tiers which is obviously some editorial opinion on there
Probably got some stuff wrong, let me know
EDIT: Thanks for checking it out everyone! Just added squares in addition to neighborhoods since that's how we actually think about things. Added a best first try, and where exactly central stops and Inman ends (Lamplighter?) maybe is a taste thing but let me know
So, it's likely that Michelin is going to rate a handful of places down here and maybe hand out a star or two...
Does anyone have any strong thoughts on this? I think this is a step towards Michelin really deflating the value of their attachment to a venue, though, they have been trending in that direction since Gordon Ramsay became a reality star.
I for one have found the entire CS culinary community to be lacking the innovation to even warrant it, not for desire to innovate, but the populace of this city detests anything that is against the grain, no one is willing to let the chef take the wheel and put his best plates forward, they just want and order what they know.
The Broadmoor is who they are and they'll buy whatever rating that they can, just like they've done with the stars and diamonds for the last two decades, Brother Luck has had one "successful" restaurant and it hasn't really ever been that great. The best restaurants in town are steakhouses or dive bars or breakfast joints, there just isn't the diversity down here to warrant giving us a shot at those highly sought after stars. If you've eaten at Matsuhisa or Wolf's Taylor or Frasca/Tavernetta or Rootstalk in Breckenridge, you know what I'm talking about.
I don't know, I'm more wine than food, in more than the common connotation, just wondering what people think about it.
Any recommendation?
Nearly fifteen years ago, the Fat Duck was my first truly fine dining experience. I went with my parents having claimed victory in a far flung bet we made five years before that. It was exceptional. A great variety of dishes and experiences, at a kitchen pushing the culinary boundaries of its time, driven by one of the truly creative chefs of the past fifty years.
Having now eaten at quite a few more fine restaurants, I can also remember a meal that was unlike any of the others. So I start to plot a return to TFD, out of nostalgia, and out of hope.
Fast forward to my dinner, and I can't say I was anything but disappointed. Naturally, some of the dishes are almost celebrities themselves so there were some repeats. But while last time these celebrity dishes were surrounded by other innovative ideas, here the menu felt very sparse.
I arrive, my dining partner was running a little late because she trusted AI's hallucination of the train system a little too much, and am met with a magnifying glass lying on the table. I assume that there is something hidden that I can only see with the glass. There is not. I guess it will be for later. It is not. It is an empty prop. Chekhov would like a word.
My guest arrives, and we have some sparkling water, and soon start our meal. First is a nitro-poached aperitif. I go for Aperol. It is egg yolk, a dash of flavour, and a splash of magic, frozen in liquid nitrogen. A fun way to begin, as it was 15 years ago. Next is a beetroot and horseradish crisp. Again, a great way to enliven my pallet, as it was 15 years ago. We have this with a glass of Gusbourne ESW, which we really enjoyed.
Next is the first proper course, 'Tonic of Botanicals', which is a savoury sorbet with herbs, a herbaceous sauce, and Jerusalem artichokes. It is a light and pleasant way to start. With this course comes a martini, which was actually the martini I have enjoyed the most to my life (though I do not typically enjoy this drink). Overall, a pleasant and light beginning.
Between courses - though listed on the menu as a course in itself - is the hot and cold tea. This is a fun course, but while drinking it I do wonder if it is actually delicious. I am still not sure. I am sure it is not really a course.
We have the discovery wine pairing, which begins with the next course and a glass of Laurent-Perrier Grand Siècle (pictures of all but one wine are at the end). The champagne is very pleasant, crisper than the Gusbourne (which we preferred, in isolation at least), and it paired well with the rich savoury custard and the 'full English' cereal that is poured on top. However, I did not really like this course. The custard was fine, quite savoury, but the cereal just tasted like those bacon crisps that I didn't like as a child. I thought that this was not delicious, and a mere novelty.
Next up are two savoury ice-creams. Well, a Waldorf salad popsicle then a Crab Bisque 99. The popsicle was fine, but a bit bland. The Bisque was divisive, I liked it very much, my partner did not. But that is part of the parcel with the Fat Duck. By now, I count 4 savoury ice creams/sorbets/aperitif/popsicles with only a custard and a crisp beetroot in between. Even though it was a warm day - just over 25 degrees if I remember correctly - it was not that hot, and the restaurant had excellent air conditioning (if anything, I was too cold). I did not need that many savoury frozen dishes, more or less in a row. None of them feel very substantial, and none that delicious.
That said, from the Tonic until the Ice Creams, these were courses I did not have last time I was at TFD, and I was glad to have something new. But I was also glad to return to probably the most intense dish I have had in my life - the Sound of the Sea. It was paired with a Brazilian Sauvignon Blanc (neither of us cared for this wine, not pictured). The Sound of the Sea is one of TFD's most famous dishes: raw fish and seaweeds are paired with an anchovy-tapioca sand and a anchovy foam, all enjoyed while listening to the sounds of the seaside played on headphones (slightly louder than I remember, perhaps slightly too loud for me, perhaps I am getting old). What a dish, though as I said it is a very intense experience, but once every fifteen years, it is really a fun one to have.
Next up is 'Mock Turtle Soup', paired with a Blandy's 10 year Madeira. The soup is not served as such, but as a golden pocket watch that is encased in gold leaf to look like a watch, then dissolved in a tea pot, and poured over a vegetable jelly (swede and turnip, if I remember correctly) made to look like an egg, which is surrounded with bits of beef tongue, parsley, and perhaps more turnip. Alongside it are some 'toast' sandwiches, with bone marrow and truffle. Now this course is nice, and it is definitely fun. But again, is it really a course? Is it delicious? For me, it seemed more a novelty, especially the 'toast' sandwiches which were just not sumptious enough for a dish that has been on a 3 star menu for 20 years or so.
The next listed course is 'Bread and Butter'. I expect a lot of this. Bread is not always listed as a course in a 3* restaurant, and when it is, this promises something special. Perhaps it is even an opportunity to use the magnifying glass in some clever and unexpected way. It is neither special, nor does the magnifying glass help. The bread is not made in house, but bought in half baked (our waiter tells us, when asked). It is bad. The crust is hard, as if it were baked for the second time in the restaurant then kept warm, and the white is just soft, without much flavour, and with even less chew. The butter is unmemorable.
But the bread is just the most intense expression of a series of courses that have - apart from the sound of the sea - not really felt like proper courses. There are no proteins to speak of, and few vegetables either. It is mostly just liquids. Well, a tea, broth served in a teapot, and various frozen liquids, all paired with wine or a gratuitous cocktail. But where is my food?
Anyway, ask and ye shall receive. The next course is definitely a course. At the start, we were asked to choose between lamb and turbot. We both went for Lamb: A Lamb chop with turnip, some slow cooked lamb, and a lamb jus, served alongside a lamb jelly with a clam topping. Neither of us like the jelly, but we both enjoyed the lamb. But it was not really an exceptional plate of food, neither was it memorably delicious nor innovative - I have eaten at lots of 1* restaurants that could have served that main course. It is paired with an Etna Rosso, which we greatly enjoyed - I told the Sommelier this twice in the hope of getting a little extra once. was finished, he did not oblige (though, to be fair, I did have more than enough liquid during the dinner).
Next on is the first of two desserts, a strawberry dish ('Blumenthal Summer Time'), with some beautiful strawberries, an ice cream, and a pistachio crumb, served alongside a pistachio brûlée. The main dessert was excellent, the pistachio brûlée raised it even higher. It was paired with a typical, though delicious, Champenois. This all worked very well.
The final course was 'Counting Sheep'. This began with essentially a cup of Horlicks (which did not exceed my memory of Horlicks), then there was a meringue based dessert placed on a floating pillow in the middle of the table (pictured) and a plate of dairy based desserts with various fillings. I upgraded my pairing to a glass of Chateau Yquem, which I have always wanted to try, and greatly enjoyed. But the dessert itself was not very enjoyable - it was quite bland and just seemed utterly pointless to me (like the magnifying glass, and the Heston Eye Mask we are given with it).
Next up, we had some petit fours, we ate the queen of hearts and brought the rest home (they were actually fun and delicious - enjoyed a couple of days later) and received a hot drink on the house, I had a decaf espresso, which was fine.
Overall, the meal was disappointed. Most of all, it was not really what was there that was bad, but what was lacking. It seemed like there were essentially two savoury courses (Sound of the Sea and Lamb) and two desserts. Then there were a lot of courses that were little more than snacks, or simply even drinks. And none of these were even that delicious. Most of all, I see little reason to serve 2 jellies (with the 'cereal' and the lamb), 4 frozen savoury dishes, and two 'teas'. Where are the vegetables? Where are the proteins? Why is it Lamb or Turbot, and not both (if the choice had been offered at the time, I would have asked if we can have both)? Both desserts also came with ice creams, but this seems more forgivable.
To make the point clearer, I thought I would write a comparison of the courses that I had all those years ago. In bold are what I would call 'substantial courses', and in italics are exact repeat courses.
To
2012:
1. Nitro-poached aperitif
2. Beetroot and Horseradish crisp
3. Red cabbage gazpacho
4. The Sound of Sea
5. Mock Turtle Soup
6. Snail Porridge
7. Foie Gras with Crab
8. Walk in the Woods
9. Salmon poached in Liquorice
(Bread)
10. Powered Duck
11. Hot and Cold Tea
12. Strawberry Dessert (slightly different to BST)
13. Black Forest Gateau
14. Optional cheese course
15. Whiskey Wine Gums
16. Sweet Shop
2026:
1. Nitro-poached aperitif
2. Beetroot and Horseradish crisp
4. Hot and Cold Tea
Bacon and Egg Cereal
Waldorf Popsicle
Crab Bisque 99
8. Sound of the Sea
9. Mock Turtle Soup
(Bread)
10. Salt Marsh Lamb
11. B.S.T
12. Counting Sheep
Essentially, my experience at the Fat Duck went from a 16 'course' meal with 8 proper courses (the optional cheese course, from a trolley, a really classical and idealised cheese course, was very substantial) in 2012, to a 13 course meal with 4 proper courses this year. There were also more accompaniments to the 2012 meal, with, for instance, some mashed potatoes and a duck bon bon with the duck, and asparagus with the salmon. I was totally full up by the end of the first time I went, but I did not eat a regrettable amount of food (unlike the regrettably lacklustre dinner I had this year), especially since I had much less to drink, having then shared 'only' 2 bottles of wine between 3, rather than done a full pairing with a glass of ESW to begin and a martini thrown in to boot. Speaking of the wine pairing, I have more than once complained to my wife that a wine pairing might give you a sparkling wine, then five whites, a red, and a dessert wine, which can be a little repetitive with all those whites, that can even blend into one another in the memory, at least. But no wine pairing needs three sweet wines, even if it was a less sweet madeira than your typical. Indeed, that there were so many sweet wines almost points to the fact that there were so few substantial courses that even needed a pairing - I don't think that both desserts needed one, and the mock turtle soup certainly didn't need another liquid to go with it.
Many of the courses which originally felt like interludes, snacks, or experiments, had become almost the entire meal. When these kinds of courses were sprinkled amid a host of 'proper' courses they felt fun and whimsical. When they were basically the entire meal it felt like a gimmick. It is fun to ask questions during dinner, it is not fun to want to ask where your dinner is. I regret not saying something about this to the staff, but given my company it was not appropriate for me to do so. The 2012 meal lives in my memory as one of the greatest meals of my life, but the 2026 was perhaps the most disappointing, thus far at least. To drill this home, TFD cost £175 in 2012, and £365 in 2026. Google tells me that the 2012 amount would be £275 now, so that seems like a 30% price increase for significantly less food, and seemingly not much innovation either.
Anyway, to return to the magnifying glass that was placed without any clear purpose on my table, perhaps it was a comment that I would have to look harder if I wanted to find my meal. It did not help.
Hello folks,
I'm going to be in Shanghai with my partner for her birthday.
I'm looking for some fancy, special and/or fine dining recommendations in the city for the birthday meal. Open to any type of cuisine at this stage, a budget of £350 total between the both of us. Neither of us drink.
I’ve been critical of Le Bernardin in the past, my last experience was very disappointing (rushed, over cooked main course fish for all 4 of us , cold service), but I had lunch there today and the food was bordering on divine.
I started with the tartare of gamberini rossi. The shrimp was pristine, so sweet it was almost like a dessert from the ocean.
Then the scallop and uni dish. That was like a record scratch for the whole table. The 3 of us agreed it was one of the most amazing dishes we’d ever had, and we’re effing picky!
I then had the merluza (hake) in lobster gumbo sauce. The sauce was thin for a gumbo, could have used a bit more reduction, but the flavors were definitely Louisiana inspired, it smelled like New Orleans kitchen. And the fish itself was cooked perfectly. My lunch mates had the diver sole, and that soy-brown butter sauce was everything I’d ever want on sole. Superb.
So I take most of it back, except that someone at the table ordered the tuna on foie gras dish that find so bland and so over hyped. I don’t want to be stubborn, so I had a big bite of it. Guess what? Still soooo disappointing. Definitely my least favorite bite of an otherwise gorgeous meal.
The 3 course for lunch cost more than I remember, it was $139. And we added an extra course. But this time, it all felt worth it :)
Trying to connect with any Cooks that work at libertine social in Las Vegas. I live on the other side of the country but I'm trying to replicate the Petaluma roast chicken at home and so far unable to nail it down. Would be a great birthday present if somebody could enlighten me on what they do. From what I've figured, it looks to be a wet brine, possibly a peeking duck style skin tightening and drying in the fridge for a day or two, sous vide cook around 144 to 146? Then most likely a chill and roasted in oven pickup to bring back temp and crisp the skin? I get decent results but nothing is good as theies. Fork tender, clean cut through, probably the juiciest chicken I've ever had in my life. I'm just a dabbling home cook but my wife always talks about it and I would love to be able to recreate it.
My wife and I are looking for a top end restaurant offering lunch deals. Sometimes these can be a real
steal, so we are just seeing what’s out there.
So far the runaway leader is The Ninth. We’ve been there for dinner and really enjoyed it, and their set lunch looks like a good deal.
Does anyone have any other suggestions? We’re not looking for a total blowout, but somewhere that seems like a great deal for what it is.
Tl:dr; overall experience and food was disappointing compared to quality of other places. The haute french style service just came across as rude.
I was really looking forward to this visit after reading some good past reviews online.
overall the crisps on the branch hanging from the ceiling to start the evening we a novel idea, and ultimately where the creativity seemed to stop.
The amuse-bouche were tasty enough, and seemed to start the evening off right. After this the other courses just didn't live up to expectations.
The service from the waiters I can only explain as "standoff-ish", our main waiter just seemed to look like he didn't want us or himself to be there. Our prawn course (forgot to take a picture) was cooked infront of us on coals, at no point did he say a word about it, when bring over the coals and prawns to cook, during which he covered the coal box with them in, and watched his watch for the timing. Then took them out, sat them on our plate and stated simply these "are the prawns". I watched the service at other tables, it was the same, at least it wasn't just they didn't like our table :D
I will call out however the sommelier was lovely and friendly, and great to chat to about the wine.
The salad on paper dish which seemingly copies the famous All’Antico Vinaio style of serving, was a pain in the butt to eat off the paper.
The mushroom dish in mushroom broth, the whole dish had zero taste, the texture was boiled mushrooms. Not much else to say really, at the table we didn't bother to finish it.
I was worried that as our first Italy fine dining, the others we had booked on our trip were going to be this way and we'd messed up.
Safe to say the others we visited in Florence returned to normal service we'd expect from a fine dining restaurant. I'll eventually get around to writing them up, but they were Gucci Osteria and Ristorante Borgo San Jacopo.
Edit: I forgot to mention, the main dessert course was a fruit salad, that had chunks of celery. Personally I'm not a fan of celery, it overpowered whatever its on the plate with when its raw. And yes in this case, that happened too.
Edit 2: the brown watery dish - that's the mushroom course I mentioned :D