Huge Arsenal of weapons with the precision of sharingan VS Shintenshin no Gedō Mazō
Tenten has SOSP weapons but 3 tomoe sharingan. Ino has Deva Path.
They both have their own highest canon chakra reserves
Don't worry if you saw this on the Discord Server, I just never posted here
Who wins?
These are, in my opinion, the characters from the show that were so cool and should have been given more screen time and actual stories. Each one had some fire abilities and they were really good for the time they were on screen. Some of them didn't actually have their abilities revealed (i.e., Sakumo), but statements and just the hype around them justifies their placement here.
Feel free to tell me which characters you think should be on this list.
Old Kage: Kishimoto did really well reviving some of the Kages using Edo Tensei, but it would've been really nice if we got more information about the strength of the other villages over the years. Specifically, we know next to nothing about the first two Kage of the Lighting and Sand villages.
OG Uzumaki Clan: We literally got one frame of their leader next to Hashirama and a narrator in the background saying they were mad overpowered. I would have loved to see how they actually fought and why the entire world thought they were a huge problem.
Yagura: It would've been cool to see another Jinchuriki fight, but more importantly expanding more on Yagura would give us insight into the infamous Blood Mist Village. I think it could be a really cool plotline that would develop the mist village.
Tobirama: All we know about him is that he invented a bunch of jutsu and he could use water style. The only fight we saw him in in the past lasted like 3 seconds and I'm pretty sure half of it was filler (him looking into Izuna's eyes etc.). It would've genuinely been EPIC if we got to see him actually use the jutsu he developed and if we got to see the fight between him and the Kinkaku and Ginkaku tracking squad. People would finally stop calling him a fraud. My goat lwk got done dirty bro 🥲🥲
Kushina: I mean for the short amount of time we saw her on screen she held down a full power Kurama using her adamantine chains even though she was weakened. It would have been nice to see more of her character and abilities.
Neji: He was the only one out of the Konoha 11 to have become a Jonin at the start of shippuden, but his abilities barely changed from part 1 and then the next time we saw him he took a thorn to the gut and died. His death wasn't even made meaningful they moved on after 30 seconds. It would have been so much better if we got to see more of what really made him a prodigy.
Shisui Uchiha: His MS was by far one of the most broken in the series and the fact that he had a flee on sight order merits a little more expansion into his character and abilities. We also know he was named Shisui the Teleporter but we barely even got to see him use the body flicker technique.
Sakumo Hatake: I mean he was touted as someone stronger than all of the Sannin at his peak. More lore and at least one fight would have been nice.
Hanzo: I think everyone can agree with me on this. He was such a cool character. One of the strongest in the verse pre-war 100%. His fight (not really, it was more of a talk) with Mifune was genuinely so entertaining I loved every second of it. And also, Hanzo of the Salamander is just such a tuff ass nickname.
Mangetsu Hozuki: Easily top 2, if not the strongest of the 7 swordsmen (I personally think he beats Kisame). He could wield all 7 blades and was known as the second coming of the demon. He was an overall cool character and I would have loved to see a reunion between him and Suigetsu as well as some more concrete feats to back up the hype around him. I also wish we got some dialogue from him 😭😭
Note: Of course the Konoha 11 all needed more development, but I think Kishimoto did enough to introduce their characters and abilities. While some people like Ino and Ten Ten got fully overshadowed, I personally didn't care for any of the Konoha 11 much (except Lee, Neji and Shikamaru) so I don't really mind. Shikamaru was basically a fully fledged out character, and personally I wasn't too angry about what they did with lee. Having him open up to the 6th Gate was more than enough, though I do wish they would have given him more fights. I would love if I could see more on the characters above, whereas I would like to see the Konoha 11 get more screen time, but I would prefer the former far more.
So, what are your guys' thoughts?
I've seen this somewhere in reddit and I'm just gonna say it: Madara tanked that Sage Rasenshuriken and the 'he just regenerated' argument is pure cope.
So edo Madara who's UNDOUBTEDLY weaker than his past self "EMS" TANKED A WHOLE GAINT SAGE RASENSHURIKEN...... and MIND YOU he was immobilized by Hashirama dragons and can't absorb chakra and he took that SAGE RASENSHURIKEN.
After that we literally see him absolutely fine under Hashirama gates he wasn't regenerating which means he tanked that shit.
Or he simply was regenerating off-screen?
Honestly even tho he's my goat but that's an actual possibility of him regenerating off-screen...but...but..
But.. there was literally 0 indications that implies he even regenerated why? Let me tell you...
Hashirama confidently refers to that as "Naruto's justu didn't take him down" he wasn't talking about regeneration he was straight up acknowledging that the attack failed to do any real damage to begin with. If it was just regen Hashirama "who knows about the aspect of edo tensei regeneration" would've pointed that out.
For me this is more than enough but there's more.
Additional points:
1- There wasn't a single frame showing him regenerating, no bits and pieces stitching back together literally nothing, he looked completely clean under those gates, if he actually took damage we would've seen something because it's one of the most visually important effects of the edo tensei even in the manga.
2- The fact that they were legit surprised he wasn't phased shows that his raw durability was the real deal here not the edo tensei regeneration that they be dealing with the whole war.
Why Seimei vs Gaara final fight in Naruto season 1? For me Sasuke vs Naruto was better like final
who would win if Minato was the Uchiha with a Sharingan and Itachi was the Hokage with FTG??
Juubito fight EMS Sasuke
KCM Minato
WM Obito
Hughie has the ability to teleport (but he loses his clothes). Mindstorm can give you nightmares if you look in his eyes
No wood clones, no perfect Susanoo.
Katsuyu is hungry, and angry for not turning into a butterfly.
I was going to make 2 posts each dedicated to the sentences in the title but I figured that one leads to another, why not mesh them together and so here we are.
This alone should have put him above Tsunade strength-wise as it is AT LEAST quantifiable than punching paper mache:
But the cope juice is still being widely distributed, so the fandom has plenty to drink. So you may be asking what proof do I have for Naruto being leagues above Tsunade?? Simple the Rasenshuriken. What do I mean??
First let's "establish" something, changes in mass/volume results in changes in density. This is true of the physical world we exist in and is also true of the Naruto world created by Kishimoto:
Why did I put the Rasenshuriken/Rasengan with the bijuu bomb??
Whereas the bijuu bomb is about unfettered release(like vomiting, Chapter 519) the Rasengan/Rasenshuriken is about containment. Nigh Infinite attacks contained in an small area:
And we know that the amount of energy in this thing is ridiculously high from Madara himself(let's not even mention that this is done by a clone):
Whereas he call A4's V1(or V2 you tell me) pitiful:
Who we know has ridiculous amount of energy in that state:
From a woman who just saw BM Bee(and his bijuu bomb) and did not blink an eye at the quantity but at the NATURE of the chakra:
This is all just to give you the scale of the energies we are dealing with here.
Which leads us to the meat of the post.
This is "SM" Naruto as seen by Fukasaku.(1)
This is also SM Naruto seen by Fukasaku.(2)
No worry/shock in sight from Fukasaku however when he sees Naruto hurling something like this.
That is where the worry/shock kicks in AFTER watching him do (1) and (2). This tells you the strength required to hurl a rasenshuriken(something imbued with ridiculous energy and high density) is FAAAAAR greater than the one used to bring to a dead stop(from a sprint) with only its horn and chuck it(rhino) into the air. And we have neither seen Tsunade doing something even remotely comparable.
Fukasaku is no slouch in the strength department either. Whether he is stronger than SM Naruto you have to tell me because judging by the pitiful state he is in after lifting that stone while in SM I doubt it. Though if you factor in his size and the fact he lifted it with a single arm I could see the argument that he is. This also applies to him hurling Gamabunta. Whether this places him above Naruto is irrelevant to what we are discussing and is yet another post I maybe will make in the future.
Moving on we arrive on the "speed of the Rasenshuriken vs speed of the Susano'o arrow" and here is the proof for it. This whole entire sequence(from the one labelled Number 1) happens in under a second. Given by both the "Narrator" and the visual cues(Number 2 and Number 3). From the moment he dispelled the first one to the second one clearing half the distance of the crater left by CT. Compared to Susano'o arrows. Note Sasuke let's loose of the arrow as soon as Danzo lands and the old man has the time to lower his arm to his knees , articulate 2 sentences AND initiate a jutsu. The absence of the "Narrator" here is telling as this means time is rooted IN the sequence. We can throw out the lowering of his arm to his knee(to be generous) and stick to the sentences. “I can't weave the signs in time” would usually take about 1.8 to 2.2 seconds to say naturally. BUT since this is a man panicking(displaying urgency through the use of the exclamation mark you know who you are) this would roughly be brought down to 1.3-1.7 seconds to say. Adding the "It can't be helped" which would take ~1.0–1.4 seconds naturally but 0.7-1.0 seconds when panicking mean that Sasuke's arrows take at least ~2 seconds to cover a MUCH shorter distance than the Rasenshuriken did in under a second to cover a MUCH greater one.
Edit: I shouldn't have to tell you the strength required to hurl something that dense at those speeds also reinforces the "SM Naruto is leagues above Tsunade in strength".
Would a PS strike obliterate Nagato, or would Nagato's Preta Path completely neutralize the strike?
