r/SaberMainsHSR

The top chart shows single-target damage,

while the bottom chart shows 5-target AoE damage.

Saber is a Tier 1 character now.

Ignore the chest😭

I'm trying to improve my dual kings builds in preparation for Robin SP and just after I get a pretty good speed boots for Saber everyone says Genius is actually better lol.

Gilgamesh is also on Scholar but a much worse set so I'm guessing he's gonna have to switch too.

Dont have HH so I just use what I had. Too lazy to min max and quite rng especially trainkun hit rng if Gilgamesh wont died 😂 And also Saber really need to resist the CC

Planning: E0-1 Birb, E6 Saber, E1 Gil, *insert sustain*

Reason I'm asking this is cos in the scenario that Summer Robin >= RMC then by how much (tho I have a backup E0 MBlade too ig). And by extension E1 or S1 (idk I slept thru the beta sorry guys). Also how tf do I even build her (speed/hp thresholds)?

Pls don't reply with "pull who you like" I'm well aware of that, I just want stats xd

I have updated the Dual Kings Guide Megathread to incorporate details about S. Robin and how she fits into the team. However, I don't expect everyone to reread the entire guide to see what changed, so I'm making a "patch notes" post for your convenience.

TLDR: S. Robin is pretty much the perfect support for Dual Kings - and you should strongly consider pulling for her under most circumstances. However, she is not a "must-pull" and you do not need to bench your MBlade, E1 Tribbie, RMC, etc. Let's talk about why.

Mortenax Blade and RMC were our previous best supports for the Dual Kings comp. MBlade was favored primarily due to his fast ultimate charge, his high teamwide amp, and frequent actions which sped up Gilgamesh quickly. RMC was valued due to their hypercarry playstyle that could buff action advance Saber up with true damage, charging the Joint Attack between the Kings at a faster pace, and overall synergized greatly with both Kings and their high rate of energy gain. For the E6 Saber players, RMC closed the gap with e0s0 MBlade as more or less on equal footing.

MBlade's weakness was that he has no way of providing action advancements to the team. RMC's weakness was that they were only able to reliably buff one unit (typically Saber).

At e0s0, S. Robin is like you combined these units for the best of both worlds.

1. Provides large teamwide amp to directly support the Dual DPS playstyle
2. Provides additional actions to quicken the rate of Joint Attack activations
3. Provides energy directly to Saber, which translates to more energy for Gilgamesh as well

Once you begin vertically investing into S. Robin, her value explodes in comparison to her competition. This is where she really begins to stand out amongst the competition and where I greatly recommend her.

Signature LC

Signature LC: Provides a permanent teamwide speed boost (It says 2 turns, but Robin only ever takes one real turn), recovers SP, and provides Max HP to S. Robin (which translates to more buffing). It's important to note that this LC is better in practice due to Remembrance lightcones being in a bit of a dire state, especially if you're sharing things f2p Remembrance cones with other units already.

Eidolon 1

Eidolon 1: Provides true damage amp that can scale to be stronger than Tribbie's E1 and applies the damage independent from Saber / Gilgamesh's actions. This helps alleviate a massive issue with the Dual Kings: Damage Distribution. Due to the nature of their abilities, a vast majority of the team's damage comes from their ultimate attacks, which can often result in overkill damage. Robin's true damage amp is applied when her Summer Songbirds attack the enemy, meaning we can actually distribute our amped damage more consistently - leading to far less overkill and less wasted damage.

Eidolon 2

Eidolon 2: Provides faster Vibe stacking and a higher max Vibe count with some additional Res Pen. TLDR: Higher amp with better uptime.

ALL of S. Robin's early vertical is very strong for Dual Kings. The difference between an E2 S. Robin and an E2 MBlade are vast in gameplay.

💫 Question: Should I pull Robin Summeretto?
If you're serious about the Dual Kings team, then I do recommend it. If you've already invested into MBlade and he has no where else to go on your account then she's free to skip. If you're highly invested into Saber/Gil already - then you probably don't really need her anyway. Besides, who knows if the previously leaked Fate Collaboration Part 3 is true or not, and that might bring an even better teammate. Do you really want to wait a year for a "maybe" though?

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💫 Question: Does this mean I wasted pulls by getting Mortenax Blade?
Not at all! S. Robin, while objectively stronger in most situations, is what I would consider an *optional* upgrade over MBlade / RMC. The truth is that Dual Kings are performing very well right now with free teammates, and S. Robin is not so much stronger that I would consider her a must pull. If you already have MBlade, S. Robin is a luxury pull to make your team a bit stronger in some scenarios.

💫 Question: Are Robin Summeretto's eidolons/LC mandatory?
No! She is a complete unit at e0s0 and very formidable. She has strong vertical investment and I would recommend any investment stopping between up to e2s1 if you like her. I want to reiterate that while she is a minor upgrade over MBlade at low investment, she easily surpasses him once you start investing into both on this team.

💫 Question: I have E6 Saber, does that change anything about S. Robin?
Yes, it makes her even better on this team. However, the gap between S. Robin and RMC closes (similar to RMC vs MBlade with E6 Saber).

💫 Question: What relics / planars / stats do I use now?
I cover this in the main guide megathread, but I'll touch on it briefly here.

Stats: Under most circumstances, Gilgamesh and Robin provide such an absurdly high amount of Attack amp that it is more beneficial to run Speed boots and Energy Regen Rope on both Kings under most circumstances due to Attack amp saturation. TLDR: Get both Kings to 100% Crit Rate, then start going for CDMG and Speed substats. There are no particular speed thresholds you need to reach, but I like to have 140+ SPD not including S. Robin's signature speed bonus.

💫 Question: Even Energy Rope on Gilgamesh? I thought his energy regeneration was fixed?
It would be correct to say that *most* of his energy gains are fixed. He does benefit from energy regeneration (hence why his S1 and E4 both offer Energy Regen). To give you an idea, using Attack Boots and Attack Rope on Gilgamesh with e0s1 S. Robin nets my Gilgamesh a whopping 8.5k attack at e0s1 for the full team. This isn't considering his e1 attack bonus or S. Robin's e2 increased vibe count (I'm near 10k attack considering those). We are reaching such saturated territory here that you will barely notice losing some of your attack from a mainstat, but you will certainly notice when you're able to get an extra joint attack boosted Excalibur off throughout the course of a battle.

As per usual with energy breakpoints and stat thresholds, what is best will vary depending on team comp, investment, and encounter. For 0 cycle purposes you should experiment on what is best. A safe bet I could suggest for Gilgamesh specifically is going Speed Boots + Attack Rope or Attack Boots + Energy Rope if you're not comfortable giving up that much attack as a healthy middle ground.

Relics: Honestly, I am just going to blanket recommend Genius set here. If you already have an amazing Scholar set then it's not a big deal, but you're missing a lot of damage by not running Genius on both Kings with S. Robin. This is even more true if you have things like E2 Saber, E1 Gilgamesh, and/or E2 S. Robin which all stack additional def shred. Due to Robin's dynamic Vibe stacking throughout the battle, defense shred overcap is nothing to be concerned about.

Run Scholar if you're struggling to build the characters, run Genius in all other situations. If you're really good at optimizing rotations, you can run Wind Eagle on the Kings, but I would reserve this only for the most skilled Dual Kings mains.

Genius of Brilliant Stars

💫 Question: Is Genius really best? Are there any concerns of overcapping on defense shred?
Defense Shred becomes much more powerful the more of it you have. It is a common misconception that an invested Dual Kings team can have Saber overcap on defense shred. S. Robin's vibes fluctuate during battle, and you will never achieve 100% def shred without genius in a sustained comp using HuoHuo. Even during sustainless, RMC is often the preferred 4th slot, which means you're not gaining 100% def shred anyway. It sucks to refarm, but Genius is worth it on Dual Kings in this comp.

Planars: Cosmic Science remains the best here, but there are plenty of alternatives you can find in the main guide.

Cosmic Life Sciences Institute

💫 Question: Should I pull e0s0 S. Robin?

1. Do you have MBlade?
2. Is your Trailblazer available for Dual Kings?
3. Do you have e1 Tribbie?

If you answered YES to any of these questions, then you do NOT need S. Robin. She is a sidegrade/minor upgrade in a majority of situations. To be extremely clear, S. Robin's primary strength is how strong she is at e0s0, and most importantly how much stronger she can be with vertical investment.

In a world where MBlade and S. Robin are wanted by most teams in the game, having substitutes is a good thing. There is no need to pull a unit if it means benching another one who is otherwise still viable.

💫 Question: How do I build S. Robin?
I will direct you to everyone's favorite character guide content creator Guoba Certified for this question. As a tldr though, here are some thresholds to aim for:

1. 7k HP or more
2. 186Spd during combat (for a breakpoint in the first cycle)
3. Ignore crit substats on Dual Kings, her damage isn't important

If you have any additional questions, please feel free to ask below or on the main megathread. I try to answer as many questions as I can!

Saber and Gil are such a good team. One of the most fun teams in the game imo.

Yes I know it’s gigawhale but this may be the most damage I’ve hit in one ult in MOC.

Artist: Kamisato Sora

U guys didn't believe me, called me crazy, but who's the crazy one now hm? I was absolute right

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I missed castorice lc sadly. I have enough pull in my account to guarantee e2 cyrene (I got her e1 in 10 pity). Can e2 cyrene compensate the damage loss from not having cas lc also I'm confused with my 2nd team. Can cas main help me building 2nd team