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Erica and stereotypical writing

Now, I haven’t seen anyone on here talking about this, but it feels to me like the elephant in the room.

Fingers crossed people don’t raise pitchforks at me for being “too woke”, but the way Erica is portrayed honestly makes me scratch my head at times.

Yes, I get it. She’s a side character. She’s meant to be funny and exist mostly in the background, so naturally won’t be as fleshed out/dimensional as a main character. And she IS funny! I love watching her scenes.

It just felt extremely outdated to me, for a show running from 2016-2026 to have one of the only- if not the only black girl(s) in the show fit the “sassy/angry black girl” stereotype to the T.

No, I don’t think the Duffer brothers are anti-black nor do I think the show hates POC. The show addresses racism in a realistic and good (imo) way with Billy and Lucas. But I can’t help but scratch my head with Erica, lmao.

And I can’t be the only one that has noticed, though I’ve barely seen posts about it. It’s something I would’ve expected to see in media from the 90s- early 2010s. It just rubs me the wrong way, as a black girl.

EDIT: It’s a hassle to keep re-explaining this and I’m tired of typing lol so I’ll say it here. Yes, Erica is a funny background character as I mentioned. The fandom loves her. I like her. I also find her funny.

I just found it an interesting writing choice for her to be very on the nose stereotypical “sassy black girl”the way one would if say, there were one East Asian kid who seems like they were plopped in from some show from 2001- written in the same stereotypical template of “nerdy, smart, rule following” and that was literally only all to their character amongst other relatively dimensional background characters.

In such a case, I wouldn’t think it’d absurd if an Asian person went, “Hey, character X is kind of… a walking stereotype”.

I’m not “cancelling” stranger things. I acknowledge that other kids have their own moments of rebellion and sass. It felt like an older style of writing for a black girl character pasted into a modern show

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u/Ok_Professional1526 — 4 hours ago

Pretend you were the creator of the show. When would you have personally ended it?

I would have just ended it at Season 2. It wraps up everything nearly and ends with an ending that’s satisfying but still leaves the mystery alive and people wanting more.

u/Remarkable_Fun468 — 9 hours ago

I may be dense and missed something

I get why 001/henry/vecna wanted to kill the people that kept him prisoner, but why did he kill the other kids that were also held as prisoners?

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u/casketbase925 — 6 hours ago

I finally finished Stranger Things 🥹 (I have questions and opinions)

Okay, I started Stranger Things like really late and binge watched all of it. And omg, it was a piece of art, I loved it. But lowkey some parts were a little confusing for me or I might just be dumb and missed something

  1. How did Kali escape the lab?? I’m assuming she definitely escaped before the massacre thing but when and how?? I remember her talking to El about her escape attempt in season 5 but I swear she said that she wasn’t able to make it out. Maybe I missed something tho but I don’t understand how she escaped

  2. In season 5, what was the like bunker thing Henry killed that one scientist in when he was a kid. Like what was it and why did the scientist run there. Actually wait I’m very confused about the scientist. Why was he in the middle of nowhere in the first place? Who or what attacked him for him to be hurt and for Henry to have heard screaming like that?? Also I’m pretty sure Henry was in the Boy Scouts or something but why was he by himself when he found the scientist??

  3. Okay also in Season 5, was there a reasoning for the kids Henry picked to like make the worlds collide? I know he targeted a specific age group because they were more vulnerable and easily manipulated. But like was there any other reasoning in why he picked those specific kids??

  4. This might be a stupid question but what did Henry’s parents do that made him not like him. I know the mind flayer was like controlling him kinda and that his mom was going to send him to an asylum or something, but what did his dad do?? I slightly remember Henry saying smth about how his parents weren’t good people and did something bad and it like showed a baby in a crib in the fireplace. I was wondering if Henry was just terrorizing his father with that or if his dad actually did smth to a baby. And did he have to kill his sister, was that really necessary 😭she couldn’t have done anything bad because she was really young if I remember correctly. Anyway I could just be reaching and it was just the mind flayer putting the idea of killing them in his mind.

Okay, okay, now for my opinions

  1. I LOVE STEVE. I’ve loved him every single season and he’s always been my favorite. I know he wasn’t the best person in season 1, and I was kinda blinded to that when watching season 1 bc I had already seen edits of him being like a good person. So I was kinda telling myself that everything he did was justified whenever he was just mean 😭 But I feel like either way I kinda understand him during season 1! I 100% would have broken Johnathan’s camera too if he was taking pictures of my girlfriend not fully closed. I still think Johnathan was weird for that ngl. Anyway he was definitely bad when he was in the alleyway and when he instantly accused Nancy of cheating without even bothering to listen to her side first. Anyway, he got better each season and I loved him even more ahhhhhhh

  2. I DONT LIKE BILLY WHATSOEVER. I get Billy was abused and had a bad upbringing and his father sucked. But him being racist and just abusive could notttt make me forgive him. I was lowkey glad when he died im ngl. He got his little short lived character redemption arc which still didn’t make me like him. I only felt bad for my goat Max when he died.

  3. I kinda felt bad for Jason (Chrissy’s boyfriend), at least im pretty sure that was his name. It felt like he actually really cared for Chrissy and loved her. And he was kinda going overboard with the whole satanic cult thing and like hunting of Eddie. But I lowkey get that to a point too! Jason was clearly kinda loosing a few screws and pissed after Chrissy died. He wanted to direct that anger at someone so clearly he did so at Eddie, because Chrissy was literally found dead at Eddie’s house and Eddie was nowhere to be found. And the whole satanic cult thing was probably the only thing that made sense to him after he witnessed his friend just start floating and breaking bones mid air and boom Eddie was there this time too, so I lowkey understand Jason’s reasoning. Plus I feel like Jason was genuinely a good person. When he found Max in the trance thing with Lucas, he was concerned for max and he was more concerned with Lucas bringing Max back to normal rather than revenge first.

  4. I DIDNT LOVE EDDIE. Honestly I didn’t even like his character much at all. I found him kinda weird at the start of season 4, but I was lowkey just being judgy. But honestly I didn’t start to like him any more as the season went on. Don’t get me wrong, I definitely don’t dislike him. He was definitely a good person. Personally, I feel like his whole character was just meant to be doomed from the moment he was introduced to make Vecna seem like an even scarier threat than the mind flayer, but idk. What I do know is that Eddie’s dead was SO STUPID. I get he didn’t want to run anymore, but is that really so important that you’re going to just die instead of running like any normal person would?!!! Eddie should’ve just listened to Steve and not played a hero because he ended up dead 💔

  5. I love Holly, she lowkey took over Steve’s spot as my favorite for season 5. (SEASON 5 ONLY, STEVE IS STILL MY GOAT)

  6. EXTREMELY hot take. I loved season 5. Like it might be crazy to say this but i can’t decide if season 5 is my favorite season, or second best season. I honestly loved it so much. I will agree that the ending was stupid and they should’ve made a season 6 to fix it. But everything before the ending in season 5 was genuinely so good, I don’t get the hate on the season itself rather than the ending

Okay thats all 🥹

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u/Miitsuri — 3 hours ago

On a re-watch 2...

Season 3 didn't make me feel too different from my first watch so I don't have much to say about it.

I'm on S4 E3 now and it just... breaks my heart that Eddie would have been fine if he HAD turned himself in. When Fred was attacked the same way, he would have been undeniably in custody 😭😭😭 his name would have been cleared.

I still hate Angela, no redeeming qualities. It should have been an ice skate. 🫠

I'll edit this post as I watch if something else moves me enough.

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u/peekaboo_bandit — 9 hours ago

Steve actually went to apologise to Jonathan

I've just rewatched Season One of Stranger Things and at first I actually despised Steve Harrington as a Character as I found him creepy, manipulative, and obnoxious but now that I've watched it again I don't find him so bad.

I still prefer Jonathan as a Character overall especially in S1 and Steve did bully him by Breaking his Camera, insulting his family and called him a homophobic slur but he also had every right to be mad at him for taking inappropriate pictures of him and Nancy outside his House, Jonathan then pretty much stole his Girlfriend not long after that and beat the crap out of him and yet still Steve went to his house to apologise to him. That was literally so sweet. 🥹

He didn't go for Nancy as he didn't even know she was there. He didn't go to start another fight he simply went to apologise and only ended up helping them fight the Demogorgan just by chance. He simply went to apologise to him and I never really saw it that way up until now...

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u/jacoblm28 — 10 hours ago

Eddie Munson

Hot take incoming. I did not care for Eddie Munson in season 4. I think his personality and interactions with Chrissy and Dustin were both great, but he just didn't fit well in season 4. Eddie ends up taking a main character spot in Hawkins, while Mike, Jonathan and others get sidelined. It's kind of odd he ends up with the teen characters like Nancy and Robin he hardly knows at all. I can get past that though. It's his arc and ultimate sacrifice I dislike more. Him running away is his supposed character "flaw", but the two times he ran away were totally logical. When someone was brutally killed in his trailer by a force he had no idea if it was a threat to him? Yeah, I would run too. Same thing with two angry jocks chasing after you to attack you for a crime you didn't commit. It can't be a flaw if it's not a flaw. The end to this arc is him holding off the bats for longer by going on a bike, rather than escaping with Dustin, which seems heroric at first, until he turns around to face the bats, getting him killed quicker, and keeping the bats closer to the portal with Dustin and others right on the other side. It's sad, but in the end it's just another way for the show to give stakes without killing off any pre-established characters. So even though I like Eddie, I kind of wish he either wasn't included, or they gave him a diffrent arc/role.

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u/Junior-Razzmatazz845 — 6 hours ago

How did El restart Max’s heart?

This may be a dumb question but how was El able to restart Max’s heart? I don’t understand how she could’ve done it, then again, may just be me being thick.

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u/Master-Corner-5226 — 11 hours ago

Hawkins, Georgia

I'm loving watching the 4K release because I get to see a lot more detail than I ever previously noticed; for example, the Georgia state flag accidentally flying over Hawkins, Indiana (S01 E04, for reference).

u/oo_nrb — 8 hours ago

What Should I Do 🤔

ordered this a couple weeks ago and got 1 already and today I randomly got this one and I checked with the seller and it was their fault and let me keep it for free .... NOW do I keep this one sealed? not really looking to sell rn thinking of just keeping it as a collection piece 🤗

ALSO I wonder if we all got different dices?? I can post a picture of mine later but from what I seen online they all look different ¿ post a picture if you have one please

u/Luan233 — 17 hours ago

Please don't let Alexei die.

He is honestly one of the sweetest characters in the whole show. It breaks my heart to see him get shot.

(Watching stranger things for the first time, i have watched the first 2 seasons in 3 days and in the 7th episode of s3 today, dude this series is just awesome, i have no words to describe the feeling.)

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u/FirstVisit4432 — 19 hours ago

Zodiac signs for the main cast

I don’t know the characters’ official birthdays but this is just the vibe I get from each character:

Joyce - Cancer
Hopper - Capricorn
Mike - Sagittarius
Eleven - Pisces or Aquarius (probably the hardest to pinpoint)
Dustin - Gemini
Lucas - Capricorn
Will - Pisces
Max - Taurus
Nancy - Virgo
Jonathan - Scorpio
Steve - Leo or Libra
Billy - Aries
Robin - Gemini
Erica - Taurus
Murray - Aquarius
Karen - Cancer
Henry/Vecna/01 - Pisces or Scorpio
Dr. Brenner - Scorpio

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u/AirLivid7799 — 15 hours ago

Why didn't Nancy just kill these military guys too when they returned to the Rightside Up?

It's not like they'd hit her if they returned fire (they were really bad at aiming at her at the end of The Bridge) or could penetrate her plot armor even if they could aim.

And it's also not like she'd face any consequences seeing as the three she already killed clearly meant nothing to her or Kay or the government.

What was stopping her from taking out more of these goons?

u/AdUseful2297 — 1 day ago
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Hot Take: Mike Wheeler is really the leader and heart of the Party, and he did not lose his leadership qualities in any season.

In my opinion, the claim that 'Mike stopped being the leader after S2' is very ignorant and exaggerated. What did change was the type of leader he's become and the group he's leading.

In S1-2 and S5 Vol1, his leadership is unquestioned. In S3-4 and S5 Vol2, the leadership is shared and distributed, because the cast expands ridiculously.

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Season 3:

I think because season 3 was where the expanding of the cast had started and was huge, people think he isn't leader anymore.

Steve and Dustin have a very different heroic storyline, where Dustin leads. Hopper had his own storyline, and same with Nancy and Jonathan.

Because the narrative was spilt, Mike isn't dominating every major event or decision like he did in S1-2. The leadership was distributed.

But still, he lead the party under pressure. He's proved he's still a leader.

Most of the season, he spends his time focused on El. But focusing on someone who's your top priority doesn't mean your leadership or personality is lost.

In the theatre, he's the one to notice something is wrong with Will, even when Will hadn't expressed anything much.

He's among the first to believe El after she spies on Billy. He pushes the group to treat Billy as a threat rather than dismissing the possibility.

And then, he came up with the Sauna trap. He immediately understood something's wrong with Will and warns Max, saving her.

He was the only one to react immediately and protected Eleven.

He warned everyone that El is exhausting herself. And the season ultimately validated his concern.

I think people often overlook this scene as he's just being overprotective because he's obsessed with her. They miss the depth of his concern which shows he always thinks beyond what's in front.

He does it because it natural for his personality to think more rationally. Once again proving he hasn't lost his core personality traits.

He is definitely the party's tactical leader in S3.

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Season 4:

Many viewers remember Mike mostly as 'Eleven's boyfriend' but if you watch the California storyline closely, he repeatedly takes commands.

In Hawkins, Dustin and Nancy constantly lead the group, discovered things and made plans. Steve and Eddie got heroic action scenes while Lucas carried Max's storyline.

People think Mike has lost his leadership quality because he isn't in Hawkins leading or didn't have any heroic moment. But that's really dismissive.

His leadership quality isn't lost, he's just leading a DIFFERENT group.

Mike took charge immediately after the attack on Byers house

I don't think Will or Jonathan could ever find El by themselves if it wasn't for Mike. Because Will was emotionally overwhelmed, Jonathan distracted and Argyle doesn't know what is even going on. Mike kept them focused and devised their next step.

It was sure a collective effort from all four, and Mike couldn't have done it all alone. Leadership doesn't mean doing things alone, it's coordinating things and devising the next move, which Mike did.

And if they hadn't rescued El in time and got her to the the pizza dough freezer, the Hawkins group would have failed terribly with all of them being dead

And then, his monologue is dismissed as just 'romantic' or 'cheesy confession'. On the surface, it's a romantic declaration.

At a deeper level, it's the culmination of Mike's role throughout the series, in my opinion. And I can definitely back my opinion.

El's real fight isn't with Vecna, it's with herself. Her belief that her worth is confined in her powers. Vecna wins by convincing people that they deserve to lose. His attacks are more psychological than simply physical.

What Mike did, couldn't be done by anyone else. Not Will. Not Jonathan. Not even Max or Hopper.

And I'm not saying this because I ship or not ship Mileven. It has more meaning than romance.

Because the point isn't simply encouragement. Mike knows the exact fear Eleven has hidden since Season 1, because she clearly expressed it during their argument in El's bedroom.

In simple words, her biggest fear is 'If I stop being useful, will anyone still love me?' because, especially in that moment, she had lost the belief in herself that she could beat Vecna and protect Max.

Mike, through his monologue, symbolically says 'Yes' And that answer destroys the foundation of Vecna's manipulation.

His monologue's core message is 'You're worthy of love even when you're powerless.' and 'You are you.' These messages come in disguise as his love confession.

Vecna says your trauma defines you. Mike says your humanity defines you. Those are opposite philosophies and they work cuz the battle is more of ideological.

Ig for fans who think of leadership as just strategy and heroic moments, this monologue can feel underwhelming.

But Stranger Things repeatedly argues that emotional connection is itself a source of strength. Love isn't presented as a side plot, it's portrayed as the opposite of Vecna's worldview.

Just like music anchored Max's strength and escape from her fears, this monologue anchored El's strength.

And I guess the problem isn't the message, the problem is that Mike is giving that encouragement. If anyone other than Mike gave such a monologue (platonic ofc) the view of people would have been different.

Because people constantly dismiss Mike's importance for El as just a romantic love interest and think El shouldn't have an emotional connection to him because he's her boyfriend.

But in S5, it's clearly Lucas's love that anchored Max's second escape, not even her favourite music, she herself says it. But suddenly its different and appreciated.

Anyways, I don't wanna delve deeper into this hypocrisy.

But if it's not leadership and being the 'heart', then I don't know what is. Do people often forget that Eleven is also supposed to be a member of the party?

So yes, I still stick with my opinion that it wasn't just the culmination of Mike's character arc in S4, but the culmination of all his role throughout four seasons, because he didn't just confess his love to his girlfriend, he highlighted that he is indeed the heart.

Man people disliked or felt bored by his character's storyline or initial actions in S4, so they project this on the character's core importance and goodness, completely dismissing it. It's just really unfair.

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Season 5:

Mike Wheeler carried Vol 1 alone imo. And Vol 1 was concluded by Will.

The real problem is with Volume 2.

It's not that JUST him who didn't do anything, basically no one did anything meaningful in Vol 2 except Will saving Max, Lucas protecting Max and Karen blowing off three demos.

It was all about them finding eachother, coming together, explaining everything to each other and devising a plan.

So using Vol 2 to sabotage him and his personality isn't cool when he's done more than any character in volume 1. It's just so forced hatred and idk what, double standards?

People say he's lobotomised. But that's MASSIVELY exaggerated.

I think some people use this sentence as a short hand for saying 'he suddenly lost the intelligence and strategic instincts he'd shown for four seasons.'

And I would definitely believe that claim if he made an irrational decision like Nancy shooting the exotic matter for no reason, or failed to understand things his earlier self would have grasped. But there are no evidence in the series' season 5 that he'd done so.

In my view, he consciously chooses optimism.

That's remarkably consistent for his character. Mike has always been the character who refuses to give up on people, even when logic suggests he should. It's clearly visible across seasons.

This optimism can sometimes look naive because the stakes in S5 are so much larger than before. But optimism isn't the same as stupidity.

That doesn't mean writing choice lands perfectly.

Personally I wanted Mike to have more strategic scenes or more direct influence over the final battle. Many people think that way and that's a fair criticism of the storytelling.

But that's different from saying his personality was erased.

In fact, optimism is Mike's defining leadership trait. His leadership isn't primarily being the smartest person in the room, that's often Dustin.

It has come from convincing people that it's worthy to keep going on and believe. He calmed down Karen in the hospital in the way I don't think anyone could in that moment.

If Mike also became the cynical realist, the group would lose its emotional anchor. His function is to keep everyone moving forward when despair would be the easier choice.

One could say 'we don't find enough evidence to it'. Of course, the whole series isn't about this only so there aren't many moments, but still enough to support this.

That said, it's also fair to say the writers gave him fewer opportunities to demonstrate his strategic intelligence in the later seasons than they did in Seasons 1 and 2.

That can create the impression that he's less capable, even if his core characterization remains consistent.

We have to remember it's an ensemble cast where the smallest moments became the whole personality of some characters.

They did something just twice or thrice during the entire series and suddenly they are famous for it and nobody can beat them in it.

But Mike has constantly proved his leadership throughout series. And suddenly, when the focus shifts from him even for the slightest, people say he lost personality. That's utterly hilarious.

Double standards peaked imo.

"Lobotomized" suggests Mike stopped thinking. "Optimistic" suggests Mike kept believing. The latter fits his characterization across all five seasons much better.

And then in the finale, his arc was ended with being the heart. The party's friendship had gone through a lot in the previous 6 years, many ups and downs. But they all came together at last and that moment did highlight Mike's journey of years as being the heart.

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Who's the real leader?

And finally, some people say Dustin is the real leader of the Party.

Five seasons of Stranger Things doesn't support this statement.

I would, anyone would, definitely agree he's the 'brain' of the party. But definitely not the heart or the leader when he's barely interacted with Will or El after S2 and Max in S5. Mike has interactions with every member in every season.

In Season 3, Dustin is not with the party and in season 5 also, he's struggling with his grief over Eddie, and constantly pushed his friends aside.

Season 4 makes it look like he's the leader. But let's recall the party members once again - Mike, Max, Dustin, El, Lucas and Will.

Three members were in California and three were in Hawkins. Mike led those who were in Cali and Dustin those who were in Hawkins.

So in true sense, nobody led the Party in season 4, instead they lead their respective groups.

In general, Dustin explains complicated ideas to both the audience and the characters. As a result, people remember Dustin explaining things and assume he's leading. But explaining isn't the same as directing.

Dustin is almost always the smartest person in the room. But intelligence doesn't automatically equal leadership.

Mike isn't necessarily the one discovering things, that's often Dustin or Will(through hive mind), but he's the one converting information into action.

Dustin cracks information. Mike decides what everyone does with that information.

Leaders coordinate. One of Mike's defining traits is delegation.

Many of the plans that succeed require both characteristic. Brain of the group figures out how something works, and leader figures out who should do what to turn that knowledge into a coordinated plan.

That's why, the two complement each other rather than replace one another.

Mike is the leader and heart and Dustin is the brain. Lucas is more of an executor while Will imo the emotional compass, especially in the first two and fifth season.

In S1, Mike's was undoubtedly carrying the group emotionally, even Dustin and Lucas. It just got subtler as the series advances.

Because after growing up, his friends are not always gonna rely on him emotionally. It's such a common sense.

Being heart doesn't mean that. Being the heart means always bringing everyone together, which he clearly did in S1 to S3 and S5.

His storyline in S4 just didn't give him a chance to bring everyone together or directly influence all of the party, but still he emotionally anchored El's strength.

The series never provide any evidence that he's not the heart. His decisions and actions, whether right or wrong, always have an impact on most of them.

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My Conclusion:

So, the statement that 'Mike isn't the real leader of the Party after S2' is contradicted by the show itself.

I would rather say that his leadership evolved.

I understand that people had a lot of expectations from Mike in S4 that all went down due to narrative choice and Cali plot. But projecting this frustration on the character to demean him is wrong.

In my opinion three observations are the reasons of this claim that he's not the leader anymore. 1.He spends more time focused on Eleven. 2.The cast becomes much larger. 3.Steve and Nancy receive more action scenes.

These things make him appear less dominant because not everything happens according to his guide, like in S1 which had much smaller cast. Leadership becomes collaborative instead of centered on one person. But that doesn't mean he's not leading anymore as I explained above in this post

Just like other characters, Mike also had his own moments to shine but he can't have all screentime to prove he's worthy (as expected by many) because it's an ensemble cast where everyone needs screentime and moments to drive the plot.

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With all this being said, do I defend show's inconsistent shitty writing? No.

I do criticize writers for not giving Mike better storyline, better arc and action packed heroic moments.

I only defend Mike as a character from mischaracterizations.

I don't disagree that Mike as a character was heavily underutilised, especially in Season 4 and his arcs were only about his relationship with Eleven in S3 and S4.

Many people don't like his character. They think his storyline got boring or annoying to watch after S2. They criticize that his arc was only about Eleven in S3 and S4. And that's completely fine because everyone has their own opinion.

But it is wrong and senseless to demean his character and dismiss the core traits and goodness of his personality because of the narrative choice and storyline.

Saying that he became useless in Season 4 just because he wasn't the part of the Hawkins plot is completely false. Because whatever plot and less screentime he got, he did meaningful things and clearly displayed his strong personality.

He never lost his core personality traits or goodness and definitely his WHOLE personality wasn't reduced to Eleven, it was just his storyline was reduced to Eleven in S4. There's a difference.

Mike's character is HEAVILY objectified and treated as a trophy in ship wars post S4 by fans. And it's partially writing's fault.

Rather than treating him as a character and giving him an independent arc, writers treated him as plot device for El and Will's development. And the writing choice definitely deserves SEVERE criticism for it.

But he hasn't done ANYTHING for which he should be hated. All of his actions in S3 and S4 were clearly understandable by anyone who has even an ounce of media literacy.

Mike's dragged through mud for things that other characters also did and they got away with it.

When Mike does something wrong, nobody ever forgives it even when he corrects all of his mistakes. But when favourite characters do something wrong, people get triggered if someone even just points it out.

Criticism is fair, but criticism includes both good and bad aspects, especially considering the character's perspective. While all I see is people baselessly hating an emotionally oblivious teenager because he didn't get good storyline.

Trust me he doesn't even deserve a quarter of it. They casually go around throwing words like 'toxic', 'lobotomised' instead of reasonable criticism.

It's ridiculous that people expect him to be flawless and suppress all of his emotions and desires just because he is the leader and then proceed to deny the fact that he's the leader.

I wish people had more media literacy. And I also wish people don't treat him with the goddamn hypocrisy and double standards they have.

You're free to dislike and criticize Mike, especially in later seasons. But please stop pretending he has no personality and hating him baselessly.

Thanks for reading.

u/DangerousRefuse8129 — 1 day ago

Did Sullivan know about the pregnant women?

This may be a dumb question, but did Sullivan know about Kay’s plan? I was under the impression that he wanted El dead, but it is never clearly explained whether he was informed about Brenner’s program being restarted.

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u/Cloncurry_fan — 1 day ago

What's like the Actual reason for the difference in writing with season 5 and all the other seasons of stranger things??

u/General-Rice254 — 2 days ago