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Evolution of SKZ

I used to be a Skz fan years ago, I was really excited for the Megaverse (I think that's the name? I could be wrong but you get the point) album.... and it was good I guess... but after that everything went downhill for me. There songs strated sounding the same and often times albums seemed rushed as if they were trying to release them so they could go on tour again. Everyone keeps saying, "Oh, SKZ needs a break" but in my opinion, SKZ are the ones rushing each comeback..... I've completely stopped listening to their music now and I have no clue what they've been up to for the past two years but I'm curious if this is a common experience?

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u/HumbleInsurance5079 — 10 hours ago

Felix's hair.

I HATE Felix's long blonde hair.
Honestly his hair looks like a fried mess. I'm not saying he himself is bad looking I'm just saying HIS FUGLY LONG HAIR IS. It really does not frame his face well and genuinely looks like an emo band teen or like old hippie men. ALSO his hair is so fried and so unhealthy. He really needs to stop dyeing it because it looks so unhealthy and bad now. I've seen him with short black hair and it looks SO much better. Fans who say his long blonde hair look good need to wake up honestly.

Felix Concern Post - Compilation Of Worries (Bc Stays Think I'm Hating) Major TWs: Self-Harm, Potential Sexual Abuse From Past Member/Director, Eating Disorders. Photos are a TW, too.

I'll also post links in comments!!

Trigger Warnings ⚠️: Detailed Self-Harm Experience To Support Evidence (images of scars and claims for evidence included in first 2 photos), Eating Disorders 3rd photo, Potential Sexual Abuse From a Past Member and Current Director, Major Assumptions. Admittedly bad evidence for each of these. Links to support claims since I'm awful at explaining things that come to mind into words.

Introduction/Why I Feel I Have To Post Here:

Feel free to share your thoughts. I'll listen thoughtfully. You are totally good to argue my points. Just please don't be malicious towards me. I am using a throwaway account because I dont feel safe sharing my concerns with Stays anymore.

So, I'm fairly new in the Stray Kids area of the internet and thus, wouldn't call myself a fan despite looking into things off and on for about 2 months. (Felix gained an interest from me due to his obvious mental health struggles, which aren't talked about genuinely for the most part in the fandom without someone taking it as hate. I went down the rabbit hole and, damn, it's deep.)

Self-Harm

Felix has made claims, according to fans, that the scars on his arm are from Taekwondo. When I tell you they wouldn't be using sharp objects In a Taekwondo class, I know it may seem obvious. But the way people took this is that they 100% believe it. As someone with severe self-harm scars, this is utter bs.

The thicker scars are probably most obvious. Usually, you'd get stitches. And everyone's body is different when it comes to healing so I won't say with certainty that he never got stitches but as someone who's gotten over a dozen staples and stitches appointments in the past, these would usually heal quite thin unless he tore the stitches/staples out afterwards.

I don't believe for a second that such a deep cut wouldn't have been taken care of immediately after the injury. I also don't believe in such perfect lines being an accident. And as we know, he majorly struggles mentally. Not to mention videos cutting the scars out as if JYPE is covering it up and it wasn't an accident. You will not see a single Skz video with his scars in it that isn't a fan video.

As a side note, Bang Chan having said he's had friends who struggled with Self-Harm in the past. (Easy YouTube lookup: Bang Chan talks about Self-Harm.)

Eating Disorder

My friend who used to have an Eating disorder and I (who am currently struggling) have both agreed on multiple occasions and in-depth talks about his eating habits. Not to mention his habit with sharing his starvation plans and hopes to, (at least on one occasion, he's said), "to see bone."

Woojin's Allegations And Why I Think Felix May Have Been One Of His Victims (super dark, this one. Please be safe and leave if necessary.)

Woojin used to room with Felix, along with Changbin and Lee Know, iirc. Woojin was caught sexually abusing multiple boys in the past. I'll gather my evidence and post it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/comments/ior28p/woojin\_former\_stray\_kids\_breaks\_silence\_regarding/

Not a news outlet but it does link to Reddit which is a post discussion that also links to Twitter allegations.

But basically, considering Woojin has a track record of sexually abusing boys, I looked further into the whole "reason he left" situation, and ooh, boy. He apparently "hurt" the members. To what extent? We're not 100% sure. All I know is Felix slept in the same room as him before he was removed. But considering Felix's severe sudden issues with his body after all that, I wouldn't be surprised if he was abused by him, too. (Not trying to generalize. But as someone who was also SA'd, I can confirm it made me who I am today with my self esteem and body issues.)

Also, Felix was the youngest of the primary rooms he shared that we know of. And he's clearly a disgusting human being who also like younger boys.

It's plenty possible other members were abused as well, but since I'm posting about Felix, I'm just going to leave it at that.

This kinda leads into the next category.

Felix's Really Odd Relationship With A JYPE Director

Since there's already a post about this on the sub, I'll just link it here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StrayKids\_Snark/comments/1ssjpcr/felix\_their\_manager\_are\_really\_shady/

But the it of it is that people were thinking he's been sleeping with the director lady. Which is an utter abuse of her power, if true. Considering Felix's fat phobia and probably plenty of pretty women wanting him, I highly doubt it would be his idea to sleep with her. Some comments on the post suggest that she is pimping him out. Which. Sad if true. He has absolutely zero respect for himself and his body.

Bang Chan recently posted some status thing that said "Favoritism". If he doesn't know what Felix could be going through to get these Ambassadorships, this makes sense. From an outsider's POV, it absolutely would look like Favoritism rather than abuse. (Not excusing his potential shade toward Felix, either. He is the leader and oldest, after all.)

Conclusion:

This man is so tragic that I honestly don't think I can even try to enjoy Stray Kids' music without feeling awful. I'm also not here to excuse his behavior when it comes to (probably) unintentionally promoting his eating disorder. But overall, I'm just immensely worried. Especially with a supposed recent Bubble post stating he's feeling mentally awful. Apparently, he never shares his feelings so honestly and openly without a good ol' LOL.

Will delete this account fairly soon so I'm hoping the post will go up. I don't need it anymore after listing my concerns.

Thoughts??

u/[deleted] — 1 day ago

a lil rant

* english is not my first language so please excuse me for any grammar mistakes or if i sound rude.

i have been a stay for about six years but i think i took a break from stray kids for about a few months because i was focusing on enhypen. im not gonna lie, i actually took a little break from them not just because i wanted to focus on enhypen, i also needed to take a break from stays and the stray kids members themselves. im sorry but why are they getting even more cringier from time to time? stays? oh my god, theyre so possessive and delusional. im not saying all stays are like that but of course, there are people like that in the fandom. they keep saying, “oh, hyunie is mine,” or “hannie is so cute, he’s like a little baby,” sweetheart, theyre literally pushing thirty now what do you mean? and for stray kids themselves, im not saying theyre weird but theyre kind of like, millennials trying to be gen z, not gonna lie. and why are they acting like animals? like LITERAL animals. like theyre actually acting like their “skzoos.” i also cant with stays who defend them when they look “ugly.” i mean, every k-pop idols have those time when they actually look HORRIBLE because its either their stylists or literally just them. like why are you lying to yourselves? you can say they dont look good when theyre not you know.

now, a different paragraph for the minsung shippers. i get it, you love seeing them together, touch each other or whatever but please stop acting like theyre a married couple. like, no. in my opinion, i had always seen them as best friends doing fan service, nothing more than that. i dont know but i find it a bit disgusting when people call them husband and wife. i understand, i do that sometimes to but in a joking manner, not in the literal way like youre assuming theyre dating/married. holy cornball, stop making up stories that they hookup. okay, i mean theres nothing wrong if they hookup, theyre humans but STOP assuming something we dont know. theres one time where i think lee know got a burn (?) on his hand, im not so sure but those intense minsung shippers started saying its a hickey from han. like oh my god, please, it could just be a burn from cooking or something, why are you escalating to something far more explicit/non-reasonable? it was clearly too big to be a hickey. and every time i rant about minsung shippers going overboard, you guys (not all) would say “then stop watching minsung videos,” I LITERALLY DONT, thats the problem. they just keep coming out on my feeds, etc. what am i supposed to do then? i tried to cleanse every app i have every single time but they still pop up, its literally not my fault.

i think thats all i want to say for now, i think ive repeated the same topic multiple times so i apologize about those and grammar mistakes. but yeah, i think thats about it for my rant. again, im not hating on them, im just... a bit weirded out by their content + stays these days.

(i dont think im even in the fandom anymore honestly.)

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u/Muted_Discussion_895 — 2 days ago

Do you think they’re aware that their music sucks?

Like, surely they have to know. I mean, I’m being very generous by calling it music; it’s noise pollution. But when they hear it, do you think it registers with them that they’re producing shit from a butt? Like if they compare their music to almost any other group or artist?

“Got to go, got to go, got to go, ah palli.”

I came across that tweet yet again because it’s hilarious but also alarming. These men are getting paid to produce and sell straight garbage, and their fans eat it up. I don’t even want to get started on all of the times they’ve flat out copied BTS, and the result of that is just a pitiful attempt.

I watched their latest comeback MV just to see what it was like. I thought, “Maybe they’ll surprise me.” But no. It was the same cringe music video with ChatGPT ass lyrics. Cocomelon has more lyricism and wordplay, and it’s also more engaging.

Maybe if Bongwater would step up as a leader and actually try to make decent music instead of causing drama on Bubble and Twitter, that big-nose mf would make a difference in their music. Colossal maybe.

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u/sadandverysleepy — 11 days ago

Looks like “Run it” will be out of Spotify global after just 3 days on the chart.

I know some stays will use the excuse of “it was a surprise pre release” but if this were any other group, we know that stays would’ve dragged the shit out of them with no remorse.

Even if wasn’t a surprise, I don’t think it would’ve lasted that long anyway. The song is boring and corny. I’ve never been the biggest fan skz music, but I could at least understand why people liked their older stuff, but their recent music has been especially bad.

u/ALL-1-Doo-1z-WIN01 — 8 days ago

I can't tolerate felix solo stans tbh

Okay i agree felix is beautiful and he has a deep voice (although i never noticed his deep voice for me it's normal to have a deep voice but apart from that nothing else) but sometimes people just overglaze his voice like it is doing some sort of magic to them? Even if it is doing good work on them then they should thank their producing team for utilising his voice but his fans try to act like he is some sort of once in a lifetime talent, which he isn't.

He has many brand ambassadorships good for him, but why acting like it's their fans' achievements? Sometimes they make it a competition amongst idols, amongst their own groups as well.

They think he will have the most successful solo career if he leaves stray kids, maybe he could have because his stupid fans will listen to him but he can only remain relevant in the fashion world not in the musical world.

And another thing which irritates me the most is how people overglaze his angelic personality, if somebody is good by nature its all cool but when you make things repetitive and acts like nobody is as good as you, and it annoys me the most.

I am a stay but nowadays i feel not as enthusiastic as before because of the sub fandom toxicity. I started my journey as a solo stan maybe i still am, but i never had any hate towards him or any other members. But the fandom makes it impossible because just because he has more ambassadorships who gave them the right to mock the actually talented group members because of them stray kids are stray kids.

Having more instagram followers doesn't mean anything and that doesn't give you the right to mock any of the other idols or the group mates as well.

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u/NoConsequence9331 — 9 days ago

"Why do snark subs even exist?" Well gosh, I don't know, maybe because even the nicest, most generously-worded, exceedingly mild criticism is dogpiled on constantly by a fandom which insists it's sooo oppressed in spite of SKZ being one of the THE most popular groups right now.

I just need to rant about the fandom for a sec. The way they treat even fellow fans is INSANE. Someone posted in a general kpop sub (mind you, not even an SKZ specific sub) that they weren't a big fan of Run It, and wondered what other people thought. I said I kind of liked the song but I am reluctantly starting to agree a bit with the criticism about a lot of their songs being "flex" type songs. There's nothing wrong with that if you enjoy it, it's just not my cup of tea and I'm a little tired of it.

Y'all. The absolute COW people had, going on about how their poor "boys" are so strooooong to overcome all this NASTY criticism from haters who barely have enough reading comprehension to pass even a very surface level understanding of such deep amazing songs. I was literally so fucking nice to everyone, I said hey if you connect to the song that's great, I just didn't connect to it personally, why get upset just because someone has a different opinion? "You're allowed to not like a song [yeah right lol] but you're just factually wrong and can't generalize them as being flex songs because they're all sooooooo different!!!" Right. That's why a lot of people have the same criticism as me. because we're all illiterate and can't understand the depth and * cOmpLeXiTY * of pop song lyrics. But *I'm* the one being insulting? Acting like you don't understand what I'm referring to is just being intentionally obtuse because you can't handle even the kindest comment that isn't 100% positive. And don't even get me started on people screaming that if you didn't like a song you should just "move on" and shut up. Why don't YOU move on?? Someone posted that they weren't a fan of a song in a general kpop sub, and YOU felt the need to come in and brigade anyone who agreed with the OP because you're so defensive and insecure it's hilarious.

They say you're allowed to have a different opinion, but they downvote and dogpile in exactly the same way on people for other similar comments where literally all they said is just that the song wasn't their favorite. Give me a fucking break! I am aware you can just listen to the music and not engage with fans online, which I will for the songs I like, but it doesn't make their behavior any less batshit insane.

I just needed to get that out lol.

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u/LemDoggo — 11 days ago

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u/Root2109 — 10 days ago

StrayKids dark trades ⛓️‍💥- from an expert (read at your own caution)

Dont read if you christian or unsure about your sexuality, this article has usage of named fetishes and naming of sadomasocistic practises, dont read If you are not informed of that subject!

Fetiches are something so normal to have and I want us all to be confortable talking about that. (Cuz I have non 🤣)

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Felix, Seugmin, Han, Hyunjin, Changbin and expecialy I.N no fetishes.

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  1. Lee Know

Defenitly anything within the breathing section. He was eroused when Han layed on his back while Lino sat on the ground and it thighned his lungs. Also he sad that he wants to let the other members to smell his farts, wich is a definit indicator for breathcontrol.

I think gentil amounts of choking is enough, he is not a very tough guy.

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  1. Bang Chan

Defenitly Sadomasocist. He both likes to get pain and give pain. He likes to called daddy, thats kinda masochistic, also likes to get bullied by the others; while he is very caring and the most caring persons (expecially mens) are most of the time sadist.

I would say Bangchan would enjoy going to a domina to get caught and a little beat up; cause he is always in control, he has lots of responsobilities and it would be an relive to let loose over that control. Also clients of sadomasochistic practices are bulky and most of the time Boss', Leaders and stuff.

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u/SajaLeeKnowundFelix — 13 days ago