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Is it possible to "believe nothing?"

I cannot defend this epistemological claim.

Paradoxically that itself is a claim that I may be asked to defend.

But asking the question, "is it possible to believe nothing?" is quite an epistemological exercise.

Because we're not just asking, is it possible to believe in the absence of belief, but it necessarily assumes that the absence of a belief is somehow attainable, whether or not one believes in it.

Which is not a state one can talk about anymore in abstract terms, as it must be demonstrated in practice by the subjective experiencer, who could not then communicate it.

And that is a struggle. I find it more interesting to contemplate how one would chose to believe less, and why.

Why would someone choose to believe less? To be less convicted?

Do we believe the person who says we should or could believe less? How confident are we they are right, and we also could achieve that state?

Do we believe that believing less is good for us? That it is somehow useful? Because those are, themselves, beliefs, are they not? At the minimum they're expectations. They assume some kind of predictive metric by which one would have achieved the state of believing less, as opposed to believing more or the same amount. It requires evidence one could interpret, and, therefore, believe more or less, is accurate.

To believe nothing would assume, functionally, zero expectations. No anticipation. And thus, it's kind of inherently pointless, meaningless, and in a very real way, useless.

Can one accept being useless against the incredible pressure to make it useful? And if one is so wrapped up in useful beliefs they hold as self evident and ultimately very important, why would they ever willingly drop them? Are we all stuck with that situation, right now, and are just unaware of it?

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u/RHX_Thain — 1 day ago
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Why Statistics Deceive You (and What Vedant Already Knew)

Have you ever used a statistic to form an opinion or win an argument? If so, are you aware of how easy it is to misinterpret one? Some of you may have heard of the Prosecutor's Fallacy; other readers, fasten your seatbelts, because you are in for a shock.

The fallacy is confusing the probability of A given B with the probability of B given A (A and B are events). P(A | B) denotes the probability of A given that B has already occurred.

Suppose a disease affects 1% of the population, and the doctor uses a test that is advertised as 95% accurate. You test positive. What's the chance you actually have the disease? Most people say 95%. The real answer is about 16%. Out of 10,000 people, about 100 are sick and 95 test positive; of the 9,900 healthy people, about 495 also test positive, so only 95 of the 590 total positives are real. You've confused P(positive | disease) with P(disease | positive).

Okay big deal! This looks like another useless mathematical concept I'm not gonna use in my life. How does knowing about the prosecutor's fallacy affect my life? Because it is so, so easy to commit the prosecutor's fallacy.

Here's an example with real-life consequences. Per the U.S. Sentencing Commission, about two out of three people sentenced for robbery between 2021 and 2025 were Black. Some people let that color how they see every Black man they pass on the street. Same fallacy: confusing P(Black | sentenced for robbery) with P(sentenced for robbery | Black). The stat says nothing about what fraction of Black people commit robbery, which is tiny; almost none do. The statistic can be correct and the conclusion completely wrong.

This is just one of many statistical traps, alongside selection bias, Simpson's paradox, and mistaking correlation for causation. So how sure are you that every statistic you've used to form an opinion was interpreted correctly?

This connects to Vedantic philosophy, which warns against trusting our senses and experiences. Its classic example is mistaking a rope for a snake: the fear is real, but the mind's interpretation is false. In one of AP's sessions, he asks: if you see smoke, you assume fire, but how can you be sure? Why can't it just be a burst smoke-filled balloon? Same thing with statistics. We see a number, assume we understand it, and turn it into a belief. The number may be objective; our interpretation is not.

"I understand this," "my opinion is rational," "my worldview is supported by evidence." Once an opinion becomes part of our identity, we stop questioning how it formed. We accept statistics that support us and attack those that challenge us. A misunderstood statistic becomes a belief, and the belief becomes ego. AP calls this psychological ego. The AP Framework says "Objects do not come preloaded with significance, the significance is psychological ego's contribution, remove it, and the world's differently organized." The lesson isn't that statistics are useless; it's that confidence doesn't guarantee correctness. Don't just question the information in front of you. Question the mind interpreting it.

Which is scarier to you: a stranger who might be guilty, or a mind that's sure it's right? Where else might you be quietly swapping P(A|B) for P(B|A) in your own beliefs?

u/tanegupta1997 — 7 days ago
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The Stupidity of Atheism and the Higher Calling to Expose the Religious Nature of Philosophy

The stupidity of Atheism is the same form as the stupidity of Nihilism. Both have an inferior object from which they revolt.

If Atheism is just the lack of belief in Gods, then its object is just as dumb as the lack of belief in unicorns. One can’t really make a serious project of it, because the object from which it’s rebelling is unserious.

While it would be good if the world was full of Atheists, what we need are actions that facilitate, not just Atheism, but something better than Atheism. We need Scientific Skeptics and Secular Humanists to actively engage culture with knowledge (to assault superstition with knowledge). If Atheism doesn’t do this, because it’s just a lack of belief in fairytales, then Atheism isn’t the thing that society needs.

What we need are rational polemicists, who not only refute and expose the errors of religious apologists, but who also attack and expose the religious nature of philosophy.

Understand something: attacking and exposing the theological nature of philosophy is a higher pursuit than attacking the fairytale of religion. While both are important, it is philosophy from which apologists have drawn their techniques to try to keep religion alive. (Think about that).

Further, while religion is just the dumb, straightforward make believe, philosophy is far more sophisticated, which makes it a more worthy object of scrutiny.

In attacking religion one is rebelling from something as ridiculous as unicorns, in attacking philosophy one is rebelling from an intricate structure of sophistical and psychological techniques.

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u/JerseyFlight — 9 days ago