r/SupermanAndLois

Season four really showed the gap of power between him and the other characters though out the show. A weaker Superman was still able to beat steel and both of his sons very easily and then was able to still fight a stronger doomsday then the one that killed him. Thoughts

She nearly got her father killed and nearly killed Superman as well lois should've hated her after that since helped ally nearly ruin lives including her family

Pretty self explanatory title.

EDIT: For this, pretend like the end of season 3 and season 4 didn’t happen so the shows just in its default status quo.

This is a man who can hear everything and see (almost) everything, and there is this expectation that he can solve every problem so how does he make peace with the fact that he can’t?

I'm late to watching Superman and Lois and started s2 yesterday, but I just finished episode 3 and am extremely confused about Sarah and Jordan. Sarah kissed a girl at camp. She avoided Jordan until she told him. Yet somehow, Jordan's in the wrong for being upset and unsure if he can look past it??

It seems like no one is on his side, not even his twin brother. And Lana feeding into Sarah's victim complex is crazy. I don't even like Jordan, but I just felt horrible for him.

This is a man who can hear everything and see (almost) everything, and there is this expectation that he can solve every problem so how does he make peace with the fact that he can’t?

I don't normally post but I needed to air this out.

I've been watching Superman and Lois for the first time and I just hit S2 where Jordan and Sarah have their first proper relationship tussle.

I'm absolutely disgusted.

The pair of them have already declared their genuine love for each other. Then Sarah ****s off to camp for three months. No worries, but she later reveals that she kissed another girl at said camp.

She tells Jordan, who is obviously upset, and then admits to it to her mother. This is where I had to pick my jaw up off the floor.

Sarah says she neither regrets nor is ashamed of what she did. Now, I got the feeling that the writers were trying to put in some pro-LGBT something into this line. And I totally get it. She shouldn't be ashamed that she engaged in same-sex relations. No one should. Pro-LGBT all the way.

BUT NOT WHEN YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP ALREADY! Basically, she didn't say, 'I'm not ashamed I'm LGBT.' What she just said was 'I'm not ashamed I cheated on my boyfriend.'

How do you confuse this line with the other? How did no one see how bad this was?

Then she asks what she might do if Jordan never forgives her and Lana actually says, 'If that happens he doesn't deserve you.'

****ing WHAT!?! If he doesn't forgive your cheating ass, then he's a loser? Are you for real? This is gaggingly disgusting advice. What on Earth is going on in the writers' rooms of America that they're trying to glaze this behaviour and make cheaters out to be the good guys? It's entirely the other way around; Sarah doesn't deserve Jordan AT ALL!

I was really enjoying this show. Thought it was the best Superman thing I've seen. Then this happened and now I can't take it seriously. Bad enough that it does the SAME THING every American show/movie/book does without fail, and that is to put in some ridiculous drama-filled nonsense in the second movie/book/season for no reason other than to stoke up **** in a relationship.

Am I the only one who took issue with this part? Does anyone else see just how horrific Lana's advice was? If you don't want to hurt you daughter's feelings, then at best you'd say something like, 'If he doesn't forgive you, then you'll need to learn from this mistake,' and not at all say, 'You're way too good for someone who expects you NOT TO CHEAT!'

I'd like to know what other people thought.

All that stuff in season 2 REALLY rubbed me the wrong way and his outbursts at Jordan (who was being nothing but nice) made me honestly kinda hate his character. Then whenever I get on the subreddit and see you people talking about how Jordans whiny and annoying and Jon is the “true Superboy” it makes me hate him even more when lets be real, hes not. Jon isnt this perfect “destined to be the next superman” character like the season 4 writers and this fanbase claim him to be. He was a ball of charm and hair without any substance when Jordan Elass played him and Season 4 Jon was just a Mary Sue and his arc ruined the final season for me.

You people of the subreddit need to cut Jordan a bit of slack and remember that Jon is just as (if not more) selfish and whiny. You all just chose to reward it because hes the one from the comics. If the names were swapped, so would the fanbases opinion of the two.

Sarah spent nearly all of season 2 supporting her mom and being pissed at her dad (with good reason), and then season 3, like a month after the end of season 2, she just spun around and started bitching at Lana, using Kyle’s affair as ammunition just because Lana grounded her? And for Lana to slap her in response, while not abnormal for a cw tv drama, was completely out of character for her.

So, like, if Jordan kent never existed or is never created, does the series really change that much? Like ok, I have..mixed 40/60 feelings on Jordan but just genuinely asking: Jordan's never born, 2 routes this goes:

Route 1: Jonathan gets powers the same manner Jordan does
Route 2: Jonathan does not get powers until season 4

Thoughts?

So I just saw that at this years nycc they’re going to have Tyler hoechlin, bitsie tulloch and Michael cudlitz.

Yep, Superman, Lois and lex luthor.

I’m particularly excited because a few cons ago they had Tyler and bitsie scheduled to be there and I signed up to get both of their autographs. But bitsie had to cancel because I think they were filming season 3 or something, I did get to meet Tyler though.

But this year friends, I get to rectify that unfortunate circumstance. I intend to get her autograph this year and god willing get a photo with the two of them.

Here’s a fun hypothetical scenario: how would Homelander from The Boys do on Planet New Krypton from DC Comics? Read the whole scenario before you comment:

The Boys universe (aspects of the original comics and the TV show) merged together and then again with DC Comics, specifically the Superman: New Krypton saga, that spanned 34 total issues from late 2008 to mid-2010 (taking place about a year in-story). The closest thing we have an adaptation to this is the 2013 movie Superman: Unbound. Whether The Boys’ Earth would merge with DC’s Earth or there would be two Earths in the same solar system is up to you. New Krypton shares the same orbit but is hidden behind the Sun, it is entirely imperceptible from Earth, making it the Counter-Earth trope. The population came from the bottled city of Kandor which was shrunk by Brainiac and kept aboard his ship for decades until Superman freed them and returned them to their original size. The 100,000 Kandorians then used different alien technologies to terraform a new planet in Earth’s solar system. They also freed Kryptonians who were in the Phantom Zone. This meant that they all have the same powers as Superman thanks to the yellow sun, making a world where Everyone Is a Super. They freed the Phantom Zone inmates to build their military due to feeling isolated and threatened by Earth.

New Krypton's society and culture was militaristic and isolationist, stemming from their past trauma under Brainiac’s captivity and a superiority complex based on their newly-acquired powers, among other reasons. The government was a guild-based oligarchy led by the Kryptonian Science Council (also known as the High Council). The planet's society and politics were heavily dictated by a strict caste system based on occupational guilds:

-Science Guild: One of the two highest castes in the hierarchy and the ruling elite.

-Military Guild: One of the two highest castes in the hierarchy and the ruling elite.

-Artists Guild: The middle-ranking caste.

-Labor Guild: The lowest-ranking caste, bordering on slaves.

-Religious Guild: Outside and independent of the caste system.

Kal-El landed on Earth at age three and became a superhero at age twenty-one. He was age twenty-five when Kara Zor-El landed on Earth. Here, Superman is thirty-one with ten years of experience as a superhero, making him a veteran hero. He also trained in Kryptonian martial arts at the Fortress of Solitude as well as learned techniques from Wildcat, Wonder Woman, Batman, and Mongul.

Kara Zor-El landed on Earth at the physical age of thirteen after twenty-five years in suspended animation (making her chronologically thirty-eight). She became Supergirl at the physical age of fifteen and chronological age of forty. Here, Supergirl is physically nineteen/chronologically forty-four with four years of experience as a superhero, making her an experienced crimefighter, but not a veteran. She also has training from Superman, Amazon combat training from Wonder Woman, training in Kryptonian martial arts, forced training with the Female Furies, training from the DEO, and training with the Justice League.

Both of their costumes are dark red and dark blue to help them absorb more solar energy.

Kryptonian characters on the planet include Superman, Supergirl, Zor-El, Alura In-Ze, General Dru-Zod, Ursa, Non, Commander Gor, Vala, Jax-Ur, Chris Kent/Lor-Zod/Nightwing, and Thara Ak-Var/Flamebird.

How would the Kryptonians react to a human with extremely similar powers to what they gain under yellow sunlight?

Would Vought Internation and the US government send New Krypton a communication signal ahead of time to see if they got it and he is coming or would he surprise them by not giving them anytime to prepare?  Homelander would go regardless of whether or not the Kryptonians said “no”.

If the government didn’t send a signal and Homelander surprised the Kryptonians, how would they react to his sudden appearance?

This version of Homelander combines different elements of the original comic version and the TV show adaptation create the most competent version of the character:

-Appearance: Here, he’s 190 cm/6’3”, 106 kg/235 lbs. with your stereotypical muscular superhero build like in the comics instead of 180 cm/5’11”, 86 kg/190 lbs. with a thin build hidden by a padded suit with fake muscles like in the TV show, but still with Antony Starr’s face and voice. In case you’re wondering, here Superman is 193 cm/6’4 and 113 kg/250 lbs., while Supergirl is 180 kg/5’11” and 81 kg/180 lbs. (Power Girl’s height and weight).

-Age, Aging, and Experience: Like in the comics, Homelander is older (born in 1951) and actually ages slowly in the comics, being in his late-fifties (likely 57) at the time of his death while appearing to be in his late-thirties to early-forties. Whereas in the show, he was born in 1981, ages like a normal person, and was roughly 45 at the time of his death (Antony Starr was 42 when he filmed the series premiere in 2019 and 50 when he filmed the series finale in 2026). However, like in the TV show, Homelander started his superhero career for Vought at age 18, while in the comics, he was 25. For this scenario, he is 57 after starting his career at age 18, meaning he’s a veteran superhero with almost four decades of experience. The Old Superhero also has V1 in his veins, meaning he’s immortal.

-Fighting Skills: Here, he’s a better technical fighter in hand-to-hand combat like in the TV show. In the comics, Unskilled, but Strong is played straight as he relies purely on raw brute strength and overwhelming power. In the TV show, Unskilled, but Strong is downplayed as it’s implied that Vought gave him some actual combat training during his upbringing in the lab, which included fight a huge man as a child. He fought strength-enhanced Vought guards. He just never needed any of that training because he was so powerful and later on people went out of their way to avoid direct combat against him. However, in this scenario, thirty-nine years of public superhero experience has to amount to something. He had a total of four fights in the series that show his fighting style to be more of a brawler.

--In the season three episode Herogasm, he went up against Soldier Boy, who was then helped by Billy Butcher, who are then helped by Hughie Campbell.

--In the season three finale, he has two more fights. First, against Queen Maeve. Then, again against Soldier Boy and Butcher.

--His last fight was in the series finale was against Butcher, Ryan, and Kimiko Miyashiro.

-Family: Like in the show, Homelander is still the son of Jensen Ackles’ Soldier Boy and father to Cameron Crovetti’s Ryan Butcher, who is fourteen here like in the series finale. His relationship with Ryan is like how it was at the end of season three and the beginning of season four when it was most positive, while his relationship with Soldier Boy was like how it was season five when it was most positive, forming a somewhat functional enough Badass Family and Super Family Team, that includes two Action Dads and Old Superheroes (one of whom is also a Badass Grandpa and an Old Soldier). They would not come to New Krypton with him. Black Noir is not a clone of Homelander here like in the comics. However, he would still be an indirect clone of Stormfront, who is female here like in the show, but has powers that are the comics version and the TV show version put together (try not to think about the surprise incest thing here, it’s not relevant).

-Resources and Connections: Steven Calhoun and Ashley Barrett are the President and Vice President of the United States, while Sister Sage is the CEO of Vought International. Homelander himself is still leader of the Seven consists of Soldier Boy, Sister Sage, Oh Father, the Deep, Firecracker, and Aya Cash’s Stormfront (Earving the original Black Noir is out because of his relationship with Soldier Boy). Homelander would go to New Krypton to represent the US government and Earth itself on the planet, and Vought’s potential corporate interests in the planet and the inhabitants. Homelander is literally Vought’s only point of contact and Earth’s only human contact on New Krypton. Note that it would take a signal traveling at the speed of light about 33 minutes to travel from Earth to a planet on the exact opposite side of the Sun. The very sound of Homelander’s voice and the knowledge that he’ll be back is enough keep President Calhoun and Vice President Barrett obedient.

-Superpower level: Homelander’s powers here are like the comics version and the TV show (whichever one is more powerful is the baseline) put together thanks to having both Stormfront and Soldier Boy’s genetic materials and being injected with Compound V while in utero. Then, he injected himself with V1 as an adult over thirty.

--Because of that, his powers include the superhuman strength of the comics, the superhuman speed of the TV show, superhuman stamina, the superhuman senses of the TV show (which includes x-ray vision), the invulnerability of whichever version is more powerful, a healing factor, the superhuman immune system of the comics, the heat vision of whichever version is more powerful, the flight power of the TV show, the slowed aging of the comics (which is turned into immortality), and the sonic scream/superhuman voice of the comics, whichever version of each of these single abilities are more powerful, which was then enhanced by V1. He has the skill with these abilities of the TV show.

--This will be critical for him being able to fly through space under his own power to New Krypton. A team of experienced, professional astronomers and other scientists, led by Sister Sage, would calculate a travel plan and return trip that would allow Homelander to reach New Krypton and come back to Earth while flying at top speed (which has got be what? Mach 32? Mach 144?) in the shortest time possible (which would probably be two days). Here, he isn’t affected by radiation like in the comics, so space radiation is not something he needs to worry about. Once on New Krypton, he would probably stay there until the best time for the return trip, which would probably be six months to a year.

--Human beings can survive days without water and weeks without food. The longest time a human being has gone without sleep is eleven days. The longest time a human being has held their breath is twenty-nine minute. Homelander can probably go even longer with food, water, sleep, and oxygen, enough to fly from Earth to New Krypton. There is a very slim of even Homelander surviving flying through space to New Krypton, but let’s just that through some dark miracle, he does. He may even have the kind of devil’s luck that allowed Adolf Hitler to survive forty-two assassination attempts.

-Intelligence, Sanity, and Personality: This version of Homelander is smarter and more intelligent like in the TV show, but is also braver and saner like he is in the comics. In the comics, Homelander went inside from Black Noir gaslighting him, while in the show, he is just naturally unhinged from his upbringing.

--He doesn’t go through Sanity Slippage at all and as a result, never underwent Badass Decay and Took a Level in Dumbass like in the TV show, thus continuing to engage in Pragmatic Villainy instead of Stupid Evil. He has some kind of positive relationship with both Ryan and Soldier Boy. Here, he’s a cunning, ambitious, and strategic master manipulator with a photographic memory. While he is still a Faux Affably Evil Stepford Smiler who fits the Dark Triad (narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism), his crippling psychological weaknesses would be reduced or not present. Beneath his façade is a Deadpan Snarker and Sad Clown who indulges in Tranquil Fury. He would be a high-functioning Smug Snake rather than a Magnificent Bastard.

--He still likes milk, but it’s just his favorite beverage, instead of having a disturbing fixation on breast milk. He doesn’t drink alcohol or do drugs because they have no effect on him.

--He isn’t a Dirty Coward like in the TV show and would be Defiant to the End like in the comics in a worst-case scenario.

--He’s bisexual like in the comics instead of straight like in the TV show.

--A major reason for him going to New Krypton in the first place is so that Earth can have a human representative among the Kryptonians. In other words, an ambassador from Earth, making Homelander an Abadassador. In fact, the President and other politicians gambled on him dying during the journey or being killed by the Kryptonians, once Sister Sage and the other scientists eliminated or minimized all risks that are within their control (probably involve stopping at the International Space Station, waiting it to get into the right orbit, and then he probably slingshot around the sun). The Seven would make sure nobody from Earth got in Homelander’s way (all six would each have their own reasons).

--When called out on being an Ass in Ambassador, he would reluctantly admit to being the Closest Thing We Got like Wolverine in X-Men: Days of Future Past.

--As for why Homelander would go to New Krypton in the first place? He would be first shocked by the idea of an entire alien race having powers like him. Eventually, his curiosity would get the better of him and that he needed to see this place for himself (psychopaths are known be impulsive and think things through after all). Homelander’s own indomitable will allow him to persevere through the journey itself, even if any second thoughts occur to him the darkness and silence of space. Once he gets to New Krypton, he would experience the culture shock of going from Normal Fish in a Tiny Pond to Big Fish in a Bigger Ocean. How exactly would he react to that? I imagine Supergirl being the first Kryptonian he interacts with. You take the story from there. Obviously, Superman and Homelander will fight one-on-one eventually.