Like that one dude from the movie american beauty who was a homophobe because he was homosexual himself, jax is canonically a transphobe. He hates himself, he’s trans, therefore he is a transphobe. If you defend jax, you are defending a transphobe
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This rant might get a little unhinged, so be prepared.
There was SO MUCH potential with this guy. But NOOOO, just reduce him to the "Pep Talk guy"😭😭😭
PEP TALKS THERE. PEP TALKS HERE. ADVICE GUY. PEP TALKS. PEP TALKS. AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
KINGER AND CAINE NEVER SHARE ONE INTERACTION. NOT.ONR CONVERSATION.
His wife is just the typical disposable woman. Genuinely nothing there.
We COULD have fleshed out his relationship with Scratch, but NOOOOOOOOOO. JUST HAVE HIM BE THE PEP TALK GUY. AAAAAAAA! Ts pisses me off bro😭 There was so much potential. WHY GIVE KINGER SOME NORE DEPTH AND COMPLEXITY, WHEN WE HAVE JAX???!??! AM I RIGHT FELLAS?
He just exists to info dump. INFO DUMP. INFO DUMP. EXPOSIT GUY.
WHY THE HELL DID HE DROP THAT BOMB KF INFORMATION AT THE START OF EPISODE 9??? THINGS WERE ALREADY BAD. Make it so Kinger hides the truth, because he fears the consequences of knowing too much, because he saw what that dude to his past friends. HAVE HIM HAVE AT LEAST SOME FLAWS. He just exists to info dump. And afterwards, HE'S COMPLETELY CALM AND NORMAL. HE LITERALLY KILLED CAINE. HIS CREATION. HIS PRIDE AND JOY. At least have him have SOME TYPE OF REACTION. He should have been A LOOOOOT more affected.
How he info-dumped that brain scan thing was genuinely so stupid. He apparently just never talked to a single person about this before.
Truly, I UNDERSTAND that he's a side character and all, but... Jesus. He genuinely doesn't have even one flaw.
They could have expanded on his past in the circus. Have him be related to the whole "messing with our minds" thing, have there be AT LEAST SOMETHING.
Kinger just comforts Pomni again, even though he should be arguably much more affected by the turns of events. He killed Caine. The circus is dead, everything is dark. He SHOULD feel like everything is his fault.
He SHOULD feel the absolute lowest he has been. He SHOULD be consumed with grief. Jax SHOULD have chewed Kinger out at the start, and that would have made Kinger's mental state worse. Not ONLY did it look like that in the trailer, it would have still been in-character for Jax, it would serve as a better and more reasonable conflict at the start, than whatever the hell that was.
Jax genuinely just randomly started being an asshole to everyone, despite appearing have gotten better. No. MAKE HIM SNAP AT KINGER. The one person in the ENTIRE ROOM that he would have at least a REASON to get mad at.
Jax and Kinger never even share a interaction or conversation. We also don't get anymore Kinger lore. Dude just fucking exposits everything.
Pomni should have comforted Kinger. KINGER SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOWN IN THE DUMPS. And Pomni comforting Kinger would NOT HAVE ONLY bene a parallel to episode 3, it would have ALSO SHOWN Pomni's growth.
Kinger also never even talks to, OR comforts Jax, just like I said. Considering Jax's backstory, that was such a huge missed opportunity.
Kinger should have also talked to Caine, about LITERALLY ANYTHING, THERE IS LITERALLY SO MUCH POTENTIAL FOR THEIR RELATIONSHIP. BUT, no, just have him be the Pep Talk guy☺️
And when Caine comes back, KINGER SAYS LITERALLY NOTHING TO HIM. Kinger doesn't say that deleting him was an accident. Kinger doesn't apologize for accidentally deleting him, KINGER SAYS LITERALLY NOTHING. Zooble's dialogue should have been swapped with Kinger. Straight up. You can't convince me. AND Kinger should have talked a little more on top of that. Kinger does literally nothing.
All in all, we COULD have had an extremely complex, well written, and deep character, BUT NO, just have him be the Pep Talk guy.
We COULD have seen a much better Kinger, BUT NO, why do THAT, when we have JAXY BOY RIGHT THERE??!!😭☺️😭☺️😭☺️😭
I'm sorry for this being so long and being so unhinged, but I had to spill my thoughts out.
Like I'm sorry but Bojack is just objectively a better Witten and much better handled character than Jax.
This is a common criticism I can never agree with or get behind. There’s so many examples in the show of her doing the opposite
So Caine must know how humans work if he's able to do that right? Especially since he has access to their mind files? Why bother asking someone about their personal issues when you can just open a ben_dover.scan file and know about shit they'd take to their grave, and then use it against them in their amazing digital purgatory.
And then everything about Caine is fixed by removing bubble. And how he somehow perfectly able to not be a asshole. If bubble was controlling everything, that makes Caine not responsible for his actions and makes him look dumb for not just saying "Sorry guy, bubble was controlling me" if Caine was in control, then it feels like a major personality shift happened in a matter of minutes without any justifiable reason.
I still want girls to bully me
Before Episode 8 everyone thought Kinger was the Creator of Caine and was the reason on why he Couldn't really Take Care of the members because he didn't teach him good enough
But now in Episode 8 we learn that scratch was the Main creator of Caine and every other c&a worker was just a co creator.
It just comes of to me like Gooseworx wanted every potentie! conflict and Drama that could Happen with Kinger disappear because she's wasn't Interested in writing it.
The Show just goes. „NO, the Person that Messed up Caine wasn't wholesome Groupe Dad Kinger! It was this random guy who has 0 Lines of Dialog, but he's Dead so you don't have to worry about him!" Overall the Show is just afraid to make any character besides Jax and Caine morally wrong, because then you would have to write Actual intresting Plotlines that won't gar resolved of Screen.
Like..there are genuinely good concepts and ideas and even the characters, ON PAPER, are interesting but what fails them is the actual writing and storytelling and narrative behind them.
This series what's to do all these deep and dark and interesting concepts but the writing isn't good enough nor are the characters fleshed out or explored enough for it to work.
It's so weird cause you absolutely can write a fully fleshed out story and characters and all that with 9 or 10 episodes but the issue was Gooseworks basically went "fuck it ,we ball" for all of them and it doesn't sound like anyone stopped her or gave her criticism nor did any editors or co-writers stop to tell her No every once in a while and those really benefit.
Not to be a Ass but Gooseworks unfortunately comes off as quite amateurish and you can't be like "oh but this is the fandoms fault for making her do this".
Screw the Amazing Digital Circus ,we might as well cause this show the Offscreen Digital Circus cause there are important things that are just offscreened and skimmed over.
Like Pomni and Ragatha's talk and overall all bonding moments and the biggest one is Caine's Redemption + the other characters interacting and hanging out and..you know,talking.
This show is just so Rushed and it has all these good ideas and concepts but the execution is so sloppy and rushed.
one of my biggest problems in episode nine is how it seemingly switched both caine and jax's ending. since episode seven jax's arc has been leading up to him redeeming himself (atleast what i've understood from it) while caine's led up to the tragic morally red person who could've redeemed himself if not for it being too late.
by episode 7 i think the writing switched from ragatha and jax mirroring each other to jax and caine mirroring each other (even tho i like the first more)
in episode 7 we see that jax's mental health has went down so bad he doesnt even bother put his usual mask on and instead decides to just give up (if not for pomni knocking on his door) meanwhile caine was making his "perfect" adventure, one that ended up being his last before he just gave up in episode 8. as the episode went jax helps the cast more and more by giving them the keys, calling out abel's bullshit, getting them the keycard and making sure they dont get to the hellish shrimp town (this last one is a joke). caine on the other hand just;..gives them the worst shock of their lives giving them hope to leave the hell they've been in (keep in mind none of this would've happened if caine didnt lie to everyone about them being fake and if he wasnt a narcassistic egoistic cutie patootie(i love caine too,)). caine isnt the one who shows remorse in this episode (infact he doesnt show remorse all show until ep 9). it's jax with the way he looks at pomni after she comforts him and the way he looks at the snow globe. jax in this episode shows signs of redemption caine doesnt.
episode eight begins with the cast in dread at what caine made them go through last episode. zooble rightfully so confronts jax for pressing the red button which ends in the cast realizing again that there's no point and that all they have is each other. as jax walks away to presumably try and abstract zooble stops him telling him that as much as they dislike him he is one of them and they dont want him to abstract. they wont have him being alone until he loses himself.
it's this moment specifically that almost confirmed in my and alot of other people's head that jax will get redeemed. i mean, what CAN it imply? the way jax looks in shock at zooble and gangle, the ones he believe should hate him most as they now tell him to stay with them. the way he then looks at his hand as if unable to process it and the way he then lays back still trying to mask his feelings but for a second i honestly think he was genuinely happy. i seeing this when the episode released obviously thought that in episode 9 jax might actually redeem himself and take accountability to the pain he caused the others. obviously this scene wont be his arc's end. we all wanted him to be held accountable by gangle or ragatha or ANYONE. but we also wanted to see him better. in both episode 7 and 8 not only does jax stop making his pranks and bullying/abusing but he began to help to with the keys, keycard AND distracting caine in ep 8.
meanwhile caine (who throughout the whole show and before it has done much much worse than jax could ever) in episode 7&8 became even worse. i've already explained what he did in ep 7 but in ep 8 we are told that after he goes crazy he forces the cast to go on MULTIPLE torturues adventures for DAYS and occasionally shredding them and other stuff like that. he then goes on to TORTURE the cast with THEIR OWN TRAUMAS immediately putting him rank one in the worst person in this show. people SHRED jax for mentioning ragatha's mom in ep 9 when caine not only SHOWED her it but did WORSE in ep 8. he then was deleted.
and look, even with how bad he was caine could've been a good person since the start if he just listened and if his ego didnt go in the way. caine made the perfect tragic cautinary tale that the fans out of no where started wanting after ep 9. it seemed obvious what was gonna happen, ep 9 happens alot of stuff happen and jax redemption tale among other. that's what it was leading to.
episode nine out of no where killed jax and spend half the time in his brain then in the last 15 mins brought caine back cuz he cheated death (characters like gummigoo who were send to the void cant return cuz they dont have god powers unlike caine) and OUT OF NO WHERE make him suddenly realize "oh no! for the past 20 years i've been torturing humans and was the cause for most if not all abstractions!!!!!" and come back say "i'm sowwy i tortured you with your worst traumas pwease forgive me!!" and they suddenly say "oh okay you're all good".
the thing i'm most mad about is how they threw EVERYTHING EPISODE 7 AND 8 worked up for and just said "fuck it". the cast saying "we wont have you running around and abstracting" to jax? EXACTLY that happens. caine's death? NEVER HAPPENS. the torture scene? NEVER HAPPENED. whyever the fuck bubble messed with kinger making him delete caine? NEVER EXPLAINED. whatever bubble is? NEVER EXPLAINED. the brainscan thing? WAS JUST A FIVE MINUTE SCENE.
jax not only NEVER took accountability but never even MADE it out. i saw someone say "the finale somehow made both jax fans and jax haters unhappy" and i completely agree. it feels like they've thrown everything they worked up for in all the past episodes for this.
goose also did have a tweet that mentions making a "bully character who slowly makes their way to a redemption only to die in the end" about 10 years ago. goose herself acknowledges that jax's arc was leading for a redemption and instead got switched with caine in the end. failed redemptions are a good trope in fiction but the way it was done in this show is TERRIBLE. this is THE BIGGEST reason i dont believe the "it was always written to be like this" quote by goose because episode 9 not only feels like it's a different writter but it also throws out all the build ups every episode before had!
TLDR: no funnybunny or bunnydoll sex scene.
TLDRTLDR: the finale executed everything terribly imo and it feels like it wasnt written by goose and it throws out all the buildup other episodes had and it feels like caine and jax's arcs were switched last second.
I didn’t mind the brain scan reveal, and I think it’s because my favorite character by far is Kinger. And let’s look at what would happen to him if they weren’t brain scans and they managed to escape the circus:
*He has lost 20 years of his life. There’s no getting those back. The real world is so much different in 2017 than it was in 1999, and I don’t know how he’d adjust.
*His body would probably be messed up beyond repair from being hooked up to machines for two decades. And even if C & A somehow kept his body in perfect condition, his brain would definitely still be really messed up forever.
*Queenie is dead and he’s going to feel like it’s his fault forever. He’ll carry that guilt until he dies.
There’s no way for him to have a happy ending in this case.
Then we learn that in the real world, Grant is still married to his wife and he has two children. Kinger can finally let go of the guilt that he possibly killed his wife since the real her is still alive. And yeah, he’ll never see her again, but at least this burden he’s carried for so long can finally be let go.