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surveillance cameras discussion

This is my first time starting a conversation here, so hopefully I'm doing it right!
I'm listening to the "The Flock surveillance cameras debate" episode. I find that I'm having mixed feelings, and I just wanted to get my thoughts out, I suppose.

To give a little background on where I'm coming from:

- I'm Taiwanese-American, citizen, grew up in America. I value my privacy on certain things - I keep turning off all of the different tracking settings that keep popping up on the various social media and browsers lately, and I hate that companies are doing this stealthily by default without our explicit permission. I keep sensitive data out of my AI chats. I don't fully trust the US gov't, esp the current regime.

- I spent the last six years living in Taiwan and South Korea. In Taiwan/SK, along with a lot of Asian countries, CCTV cameras are literally everywhere. There is a camera right outside my house right now. When entering the country, auto facial recognition lets you enter customs through the automated turnstiles and it's super fast. In Korea, website verification often involves using your national ID + phone number. None of this bothers me.

The thing about being in Taiwan/SK, though - it is so incredibly safe. People literally leave their laptops on the table at a coffee shop to save their tables while they go to the bathroom. You can drop money, keys, wallet, phone on the street, and it will be where you left it or safely off to the side for you to pick up later. I (female) can walk around late at night without fear. Petty crime is virtually non-existent in my everyday experience. Vs when I go back to the Bay Area from time to time, and each time something always gets stolen (laptop, car catalytic converter, etc).

Of course there are a lot of factors here, but I can't help but feel like part of this is attributed to the prevalence of the CCTV cameras. I don't think I would've had this perspective before living abroad, but I have to say that after experiencing the safety and ability to just relax in public without watching over your shoulder all the time... I don't think that surveillance cameras in public spaces are inherently a bad thing. I wonder if a lot of Americans could experience this kind of safety, if they wouldn't agree.

That being said, I went to China recently on vacation - where there are CCTV cameras everywhere there too, as well as facial recognition checks in all public transit entrances - and I admit that I did not like that and did not want to be tracked. So that made me realize that a big part of my comfort with giving up the privacy is how much I inherently trust the government, and maybe my distrust of the US gov't is similar. Maybe the same thing that works in some countries just doesn't work in others. It also made me wonder if it would help to have layers of access (e.g. default the only people who can access the data without *very* specific warrants would be local gov't for normal petty crimes); this of course doesn't solve the issue of enforcement, so I dunno.

Anyway, those are just some musings. I appreciated that the dissent was somewhere in the same vicinity of what I was thinking this week. I also wonder if there are more layers of security that can be built into the system so that really nobody can look into the footage unless there were very specific warrants about very specific issues. Would be curious if others feel the same or totally different!

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u/lingding85 — 23 hours ago

I’m Tangle’s founder Isaac Saul. AMA!

Hey, Tangle Redditors. I’m Tangle founder Isaac Saul, and I’m in a bit of a predicament. Last year, my fantasy football league’s losing punishment was having to take a 24 hour, round-trip Greyhound bus journey. Unfortunately, thanks primarily to Washington Commanders quarterback Jayden Daniels, I was the league loser. So, this Thursday, I’ll be on a bus to and from upstate New York, starting at 8am on Thursday and ending around 8am on Friday.

Rather than reflect on my fantasy football mistakes, I figured: why not use the time for something productive, like chopping it up with the Tangle audience? So I decided to host an AMA here, where you can ask me all your burning questions about Tangle, our team, national politics, the Trump administration, the midterms, and me.

I’ll be live to answer your questions on Thursday starting at 12PM ET. In the meantime, feel free to drop them below. Looking forward to hearing from you.

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u/Isaac_Tangle — 2 days ago

The Wisconsin gubernatorial primaries.

Emphasis mine:

>Rep. Tom Tiffany won with 95% of the vote, which killed any suspense, but he could reasonably be declared just as radical as Hong (as The Capital Times editorial board argued under “What Wisconsin writers are saying”). Tiffany has been rated the most conservative of all six Republican House members from Wisconsin by the American Conservative Union. Most notably, Tiffany is a 2020 election denier — not just a skeptic or someone trying to mince his words to appease President Trump, but a person who believes Joe Biden stole the election. He tried to overturn President Biden’s win in 2020 by signing onto a Texas lawsuit that would have invalidated the results, and he also voted in Congress to reject the results from Pennsylvania — after the January 6th riots. Tiffany’s still fighting the 2020 results, having just announced his support for an FBI investigation into Wisconsin’s results this May and repeatedly saying he would have overturned Wisconsin’s results if given the opportunity.

>Are those views less radical than abolishing ICE or hating Thanksgiving? Reasonable people could disagree about that, but it’s inexcusable that Tiffany’s current positions didn’t get similar levels of attention as Hong’s past comments. Where Hong calls for taxing the rich, Tiffany promises to freeze all property taxes. And while Hong’s past social media posts became a source of controversy, Tiffany quietly deleted pages from his website that outlined his extreme positions on abortion, gun rights, immigration, and crime just days before his September 2025 announcement that he was running for governor.

I'm sorry but can "reasonable people" really agree that hating a holiday or (to steel-man the piece's argument) reforming an agency that didn't exist 25 years ago is as radical as ending democracy in the United States?

Given the remainder of the paragraph, I don't think this is just a rhetorical flourish but rather an absurd false equivalency. And even if rhetorical, this kind of sanewashing is exactly how extremists on the right have been enabled to sail past an ounce of the scrutiny that their ideological opponents receive.

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u/shiretokolovesong — 2 days ago

Dear Tangle: your provocative title burned the bridge you helped build

Tangle grievance: why'd you have to give that piece about the pledge such a triggering title? My dad cancelled because of it. Tangle was our bridge and gave us some common ground but it's gone now. I know it's not all your fault but that was an exceptionally provocative title and many sensitive readers on the right probably were offended by it, gotta imagine you received a deluge of flagged wrapped hate mail. I know we strive to be a big tent place and maybe that's a little rage baity for Tangle.

Edit more context:
I'm referring to the opinion article from 8/7/2026 "I don’t pledge allegiance to the flag - Because if I did I wouldn't mean it."

u/spottie_ottie — 3 days ago

FRIDAY: The Official Airing of Grievances Thread

Alright folks, it’s time. Consider this your open mic, your therapy session, your personal Festivus.

Got a boss who thinks “urgent” means every single email? A neighbor who mows the lawn at 7 a.m. on Saturdays? A phone that autocorrects “ducking” when you clearly meant something else?

This is the spot to unload. Big or small, petty or profound — if it’s gnawing at you, drop it here. Rant. Rave. Roast.

Rules are simple:
• No personal info.
• Keep it cathartic, not cruel.
• Upvote the stuff that makes you nod and say “YES, SAME.”

Let the grievances fly.

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u/TangleNews — 6 days ago

Texas Surrogacy Abortion Case

I’m curious what the tangle community thinks of this story in Texas. I’m pretty pro choice but found this to be a bit more complicated, and I’m still not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, it is her body and she should have control over that. On the other, It does seem like the surrogacy contract she signed required her to abort the pregnancy if the intended parents wanted her too. I don’t think she has a chance at getting custody, but the abortion thing was interesting to me. I ended up landing on: she signed away some of her bodily autonomy when she signed the surrogacy contract and accepted payment to carry someone else’s child.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/12/us/texas-surrogate-baby-abortion-dispute.html?unlocked\_article\_code=1.5FA.xqzY.cFQHzgvqUeBw&smid=nytcore-ios-share

u/Other_Letterhead_939 — 6 days ago

"Somebody like Hasan Piker"

Suspension of the rules makes it clear that the tangle staff views Hasan as repugnant, comparing him to Nick Fuentes and viewing association with him as disqualifying. Hasan has said "really gross stuff" and done "really gross things" according to Isaac.

The discussion where the entire staff piles on without explaining these things was so bizarre to me.

I've seen some of Hasan but I'm not a regular watcher and have no idea what I'm supposed to be outraged about. This podcast did nothing to fill in the blanks.

Analogy: Zohran went on Chapo. Should that have been disqualifying? I mentally have them in the exact same bucket as Hasan. These entertainers make jokes and say things that aren't meant to be taken seriously all the time.

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u/JeremyNT — 10 days ago

MI-08 house race primary

This is a pretty small story and maybe hasn’t gotten a lot of attention, but I’m curious what Tangle’s or others views on this house race primary thoughts are.

For anyone who doesn’t know, a guy named Tom Smith who dropped out of the race I believe a month in advance, but because he wrote a hand written letter through snail mail it didn’t get to the state in time so his name was still on the ballet, won over the Trump backed, Christian candidate who had all the funding named Amir Hassan in the republican primary.

I know what I think of why Tom Smith won, but I’m curious if others have more in-depth knowledge or a different point of view?

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u/No_Economy_5763 — 10 days ago

Aubrey appreciation post

Audrey pulled double duty today on SOTR and writing and recording the take today and I thought she did a good job.

Side note: I was baffled to see the Bulwark in the on the Right section as they have used Jonathon Cohn for health news in on the Left before. It doesn’t really matter because everyone agrees Max Miller is very sus

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u/dollyllama86 — 13 days ago

FRIDAY: The Official Airing of Grievances Thread

Alright folks, it’s time. Consider this your open mic, your therapy session, your personal Festivus.

Got a boss who thinks “urgent” means every single email? A neighbor who mows the lawn at 7 a.m. on Saturdays? A phone that autocorrects “ducking” when you clearly meant something else?

This is the spot to unload. Big or small, petty or profound — if it’s gnawing at you, drop it here. Rant. Rave. Roast.

Rules are simple:
• No personal info.
• Keep it cathartic, not cruel.
• Upvote the stuff that makes you nod and say “YES, SAME.”

Let the grievances fly.

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u/TangleNews — 13 days ago

I (cybersecurity professional) broadly share Isaac’s takes on AI; the HuggingFace hack is no marketing ploy

Others have posted this “reader dissent” already, but a few things have been released on this incident since Isaac’s original take. One is HuggingFace’s blog post detailing the attack from their point of view, and the next is this video from OpenAI which adds more color to the exploit chain unleashed on their infrastructure.

My takes to this point on AI have largely been aligned with Isaac’s. I think the proclamations from AI companies predicting the extinction of white collar jobs at the hands of AI by <insert alarming amount of time> are largely hype designed to get investors on board. I say this not as someone who is completely anti AI or finds no uses for it. I use AI daily in my work, although not to the extreme degree some
of my peers do where they have no clue what’s actually being done but seem satisfied enough that the tests are passing.

So when I heard about this attack and heard Isaac’s take on it, I thought “yep, they’re saying this mysterious new model broke out of its sandbox and targeted this conveniently friendly-to-AI company. We’re not going to get nitty gritty details or if we do, they’ll reveal that someone ‘accidentally’ left the door open.” But after reading/watching the linked materials, that’s just not the case. Over the course of this attack, the model(s) discovered and exploited 3 zero-day vulnerabilities. They attained admin permissions across several different organization’s Kubernetes clusters, and did so by collaborating with many other agents via a message board they constructed in two different methods (the first one was found and removed). Every time I thought to myself watching the video “oh, but that’s actually just bad security practice, kinda a rookie move giving the agents write access to your Artifactory instance.”…. Yeah OpenAI would discover what had happened, lock things down, and the agents would do the exact same thing in a completely novel way.

Not really sure how this fits into my overall skepticism of AI hype, but I won’t be able to doubt the capability of multiple frontier model agents working together to accomplish something.

u/GazelleRare — 13 days ago