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Heroin as the starting material?

I live in a country where heroin is nearly pure and cheaper than any other opiate by a mile. Any Ideas?

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u/unclejeev — 2 days ago
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Psilomethoxin comparison with other psychoactives

This molecule has been discussed by Shulgin (see here) and some people have reported their experiments with adding 5-MeO-DMT to mushroom growth medium. I thought I'd share a psilomethoxin SAR comparison with similar drugs.

u/Kalki_X — 2 days ago

4-MPO new EU RC stim - i make quick SAR check

4-MPO a new research chemical stimulant has appeared in the Netherlands (stimulant for European scene). there are no triprepots out there yet.. theoretically (only theoretically on paper) it should be a warmer/softer/more empathogenic analogue of the German 3-FPO which is a harsher analogue of Ritalin (methylphenidate),

and this 4MPO should also affect serotonin (ie act as SNDRI).

there is no image of the molecule structure available, nor anything, just the chemical name: 5-[(4-methylphenyl)(piperidin-2-yl)methyl]-3-methyl-1,2,4-oxadiazole - so I decided to translate it into Smiles code and Smiles code into structure. and check quic structure activity relation ship analysis with basic tools

here is output from PASS online prediction Structure Activity Relationship tool by way2drugs https://pastebin.com/FB2WX9Dj - The substance will probably have affinity as SNDRI - all monoamine transporters are included, it will also act through nicotinic receptors and do something with vitamin B3. Cocaine dependency treatment is also predicted there..

here is output from tool caled swissADME report https://ctrlv.link/AysT - we see that the substance passes through the blood-brain barrier and through the intestinal membrane. the substance is a substrate of g-glycoprotein which can cause the substance to be in the brain for a shorter time or a larger dose will be needed. predicted lipophilicity is optimal (2.84 which is considered optimal) - TPSA(polarity) also shows favorable results and is 50.95 Ų. - must always be below 90.Lipinski, Ghose, Veber, Egan, Muegge: The substance meets all these rules for "medicinal". This means that in terms of size, lipophilicity and polarity it behaves similarly to common pharmaceuticals.from the point of view of computer prediction this substance has ideal parameters to behave as a psychoactive substance acting on the central nervous system (high absorption, ability to pass through the blood-brain barrier, suitable physical properties).

here is report from SAR tool swistargetprediction - : https://ctrlv.link/5DLQ We can see that based on the similarity, the reuptake of dopamine, noradrenaline and serotonin should be blocked, basically this was confirmed by the pass, which is more detailed in this. it also has some epigenetic targets - but they seem to be minor, I'm not an expert on that

It's a new substance, write if someone will "research" it.

here is smiles Cc1ccc(C(C2CCCCN2)c3nc(C)no3)cc1

The substance bypasses blanket bans because it is not an amphetamine or cathinone, it is another attempt to get to the level of the RC stim scene before the ban in the Netherlands in 2025

3FPO (DE nps) was quite popular in Germany (despite the fact that it was more expensive than fishscale cocaine) - It could be an interesting substance.

Anyone who has access to advanced SAR tools would be happy to analyze

u/Ok-Landscape-7087 — 6 days ago

Oh no, I accidentally made too much :/

Bonus points to the busy bee that randomly guesses that white powder (the organic chemist’s favorite pastime)

u/hearhithertinystool — 8 days ago

MCPPQ and DCK synthesis questions

Hey guys I was just wondering if I could get some help on trying to synthesize for one of the Methaqualone analogues (Mcppq) and ketamine analogues (DCK) as a beginner bee, these have recently spiked my interest after I’ve been synthesizing some modafinil and benzo and ghb analogues for a bit and want to try something else out, I haven’t found much information on these RC’s synthesis, although I have heard a couple trip reports about the MCPPQ which I find interesting but I do hear conflicting views between people on wether it’s good or bad

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u/InternationalTaro964 — 8 days ago

Is this a reasonable theoretical route to GHB from gaba?

Step 1: Amino acid → α-hydroxy acid

NaNO2, HCl, H2O

Step 2: Protect alcohol

TBSCl, imidazole, DMF

Step 3: Acid → Weinreb amide

CDI, then N,O-dimethylhydroxylamine

Step 4: Weinreb amide → aldehyde

DIBAL-H, −78 °C

Step 5: Deprotect alcohol

Buffered TBAF or mild fluoride source

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u/moistiest_dangles — 13 days ago

3,4-dialkyl/dihalogen substituted 2C-x compounds

To my knowledge the only well known 3,4-disubstituted 2C-x are 2C-G, and its DOx counterpart Ganesha. Also 2,5-dimethoxy-3,4-dichloro-amphetamine (DODC), as well as their positional isomers and DODB.

I feel like this is a sadly unexplored area, just imagine the novel possibilities, you have 8 different substitutions on 2 different positions able to be swapped around in. This would open the possibility of 64 different iterations, and this isnt even counting playing around with the 6th position or the DOx and NBOMe compounds.

Now Im sure all of these molecules already exist in some database somewhere and that some of them probably have been synthesized by someone at some point.

Let me ask you, which combinations do you think sound the most intriguing, and how would you go about a feasible route?

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u/Blissanity — 12 days ago

Homemade synthetic Mesc (3,4,5-Trymethoxy Phenethylamine) crystalizing

I made this one myself a couple days ago from 3,4,5 trimethoxy benzaldehyde

:3

u/Einstein_AV-27 — 13 days ago