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Is win rate actually one of the most overrated trading metrics?

I keep seeing newer traders judge a strategy mostly by win rate.

I understand why. A 70% win rate feels safer than a 40% win rate.

But the more I look at strategy evaluation, the less useful win rate seems on its own.

A strategy can win often and still lose money if the losing trades are much larger than the winning trades.

Another strategy can win less than half the time and still make sense if the winners are bigger, the losses are controlled, and the drawdown is acceptable.

The metrics I would rather look at first:

- average winner vs average loser

- profit factor

- max drawdown

- number of trades

- backtest period

- fees and slippage

- performance in different market conditions

My current view is that win rate should probably be a secondary metric, not the first thing traders look at.

For people who have been trading for a while, do you agree?

What metric do you check first before trusting a strategy?

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u/algorier — 3 hours ago

Confused Beginner: What Should I Learn First in Trading

Hi everyone, I’m a beginner in trading and currently watching Rayner Teo’s videos to learn the basics. The internet has too much information and it’s getting confusing for me.
Can you please guide me on what I should focus on first as a beginner? Which topics are most important to learn step by step, and what should I avoid in the beginning?
I want to learn trading properly with simple risk management, not shortcuts or gambling. Any advice, roadmap, or useful resources would be appreciated.

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u/Hungry-Ad-1617 — 12 hours ago

LOOKING FOR A PART-TIME JOB TO SUPPORT MY TRADING JOURNEY

As most of you probably know by now, the first few days, weeks, months, or even years of trading often end in losses. As someone who already has every peso of my salary budgeted, I simply can't afford to take another hit. So here I am, putting up my own "LOOKING FOR A JOB" sign.

I'm hoping this reaches someone who needs an extra pair of hands because I genuinely want to make this trading journey work.

I plan to use the income from the part-time job to save up for a funded account, and maybe for a mentor I've been eyeing.

I can help with administrative or paralegal tasks, or pretty much anything, as long as it's legal and decent. Output-based work is preferred as my main job is demanding at times.

If you or someone you know is looking for help, HMU. Let's help each other out!

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u/PoolDisastrous9051 — 8 hours ago

Inside information

Quick question.

Does anyone here happen to have any inside information they’re not using?

I’m tired of relying on “research” and “risk management.” I’d much rather know the answer before backtesting. Every time I lose money it feels avoidable, mostly because it is.

I’m a decent trader, but occasionally the market moves against me, which I’ve decided is both inconvenient and frankly unnecessary. I’d prefer to know what the stock is going to do beforehand.

My investment philosophy is simple: I’d rather make money than lose it. Ideally, someone else loses the money instead of me. It much more efficient that way.

Thanks in advance DMs are OPEN.

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u/MOB_Titan — 7 hours ago

Gold Testing Critical 4145 Support – Bullish Continuation or Deeper Pullback?

Gold just got rejected from the 4202–4215 resistance zone and is now pulling back to test the key 4145 support. This is a major level:

  • Hold above 4145 → Bullish structure intact, next targets 4202 & 4215
  • Break below 4145 → Opens the door for a deeper correction toward 4100

Overall trend still looks positive, but this is a high-conviction spot for bulls to defend. What’s your take?

  • Buying the dip at 4145?
  • Waiting for a break?
  • Already in or sitting on the sidelines?

Drop your bias and reasoning

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u/Round-Guarantee-180 — 10 hours ago

What matters more to you in a broker: low fees or better execution?

I’ve been checking out a few brokers lately, including AvaTrade and it got me thinking about what actually matters most once you’ve been trading for a while.

When you’re new, it’s easy to focus only on spreads and commissions. I know I did. But the more I’ve traded, the more I’ve noticed that things like execution speed, platform stability when the market gets busy, how fills are handled and even customer support can matter just as much.

For those of you with more experience, have you ever switched brokers because the execution was bad? How much do slippage and order fills actually affect your results? Do you care more about regulation and reliability than saving a bit on fees? If you’ve used AvaTrade or a similar broker, how was your experience with execution and platform reliability?

I’m not really looking for this broker is the best kind of answers. I’d just like to hear what you personally look for in a broker and whether that changed as you got more experience

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u/ibrahimdigital — 12 hours ago

Gold broke H1 low for my upcoming (1:12) RR Sell trade

HTF structure validates sell, H1 aligns it with BOS, will take a short with RR 1:12 from 4191-4195 to 4159.

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u/Far-Bluejay-7696 — 9 hours ago
▲ 89 r/Trading

The Chip Dip and How to Profit from it

So midweek Meta announced they're going to start selling their "excess" AI compute to outside customers. Meta jumped 10% on the news. Everything downstream of them got wrecked.

https://preview.redd.it/ryfyjnvuihbh1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=de235021e89b1db01107193b3ecc9f54f2ff2f64

Since the whole semi trade is basically underwritten by scarcity. Six months ago the hyperscalers were saying there isn't enough compute in the world, now the biggest capex spender in the market is saying it has spare capacity. You don't sell surplus of something that's scarce, so people started asking questions.

The damage by the end of the week:

  • fab equipment down ~5%
  • memory down 10-16%
  • photonics down 10-12%
  • neoclouds took the worst of it, IREN was down 20% at one point

https://preview.redd.it/g1xcu9hgjhbh1.png?width=1228&format=png&auto=webp&s=fc71316c7c98f00004bf2a1ff6ad14ae8fb1f249

So is this it then? Is capital flowing out of AI / semis for good ?

Well, i still thinksNO. Afterall How does the stock of the company selling AI compute jump 10% while the industry supplying it collapses?

IMO meta's move is not an admission of leftovers. Instead, it proves compute is monetizable, and $META's $27B purchase commitment to $NBIS still stands. To me the selloff is a misunderstanding of the news by a market that doesn't have the slightest clue where AI is going, thus is just responding to any daily stimulus.

Of course the fundamentals of the supply chain also did not change overnight. Semi supply is still constrained: $MU Micron's CEO says memory is in the tightest supply the industry has seen in years, with the shortage expected to run into 2028.

Demand is not slowing either: $MU just blew out earnings, carries $2,000+ analyst price targets, and even has Trump publicly pumping the stock.

Overall This feels the same as November: a dumb selloff, that will be followed by a rally.

https://preview.redd.it/1oupa8yqjhbh1.png?width=1502&format=png&auto=webp&s=3203346868c43b87b7f12e6df55f57467397e463

So what can we expect over the next coming weeks? Months? And how can we position ourselves intelligently.

Of course nobody really knows but we can look at how the biggest players are positioning themselves and what the markets are reflecting overall to get a good gauge.

The short term

Let's look at where the most short dated, out the money, high-conviction option premiums this week went. These represent big directional big bets by high level institutional investors. Depending on the skew we can get a good a sense of which direction they are betting betting on.

We can also flag any extra large single contract premiums for further conviction.

Secondly we can take a look a the gamma levels to gauge what the key levels that we can expect to hold and bounce off of.

https://preview.redd.it/tna303tsjhbh1.png?width=1500&format=png&auto=webp&s=898c270167ccc244f25364632c5eba54523fc52d

Based on the stats here we have a couple of setups that seem interesting short term. Ranked by confidence:

$LITE : 86% Bullish whale premium. Price currently nearing the $700 wall. Long 720-750 | Target of $820 | Caution below $690.

$BE: 90% bullish premium, lots of volume $160 million worth . Strong Gamma wall at $240, look for bounces of that wall. LONG $240-$250 | Target : $300 and up | Caution below: $230

$AMAT: 82% Bullish whale premium. More upside gamma pull then downside, this one is a little longer play but overall still definitely bullish outlook. LONG: $590 and up | Target : $800 | Caution below: $550

$AMD : 71% Shorterm Bullish premium. A staple in semi trade. Long the lower half of $450–520 only, target $600, out below $400. The zone is too wide to chase.

https://preview.redd.it/pmy9yoevjhbh1.png?width=1530&format=png&auto=webp&s=1f051898dabafa3f59e202aadd2c1cb77c52b190

The long term

If your horizon is years and you believe overall in the AI boom, then this week's drop is a discount across the board.

Nonetheless we can still do some very basic analysis to see which ones are the most "on sale" at the moment.

To asses long term outlook, we can see we can where institutions are placing there longer horizon LEAPS bets, and then do some fundamentals analysis to see which ones still give us the best deals.

https://preview.redd.it/nyjvqajxjhbh1.png?width=1470&format=png&auto=webp&s=775b2049b2eea4f1e9cc665f32443d07a9706dcd

Reading the tape and fundamental comparisons, here are the winners ranked by confidence:

$MU: The golden child of the memory stack. Took in$892M of LEAPS calls against $243M of puts, at 13x forward earnings with 91% revenue growth expected. Add in thirds: some in $900–975, more at $900, the rest only after a test of the wall holds

$AMAT: the cleanest chart in the group, above every line that matters. Add in $500–610, stop adding below $450.

$SNDK: Another staple of the semi trade. Strong business, strong margins and right now the biggest winner, so let it come to you. Accumulate at $1,500, stop adding below $1,300.

https://preview.redd.it/nyucxgfzjhbh1.png?width=1100&format=png&auto=webp&s=c52b221b190a185fe7d8ceef078cf3995c986174

That wraps the analysis for this week. As always, none of this is financial advice, just our read of the market. And by our read we mean Claude 5 Fable plus all the market data we plugged into it on Xynth.

Conditions change, and you should treat this the way you'd treat any one analyst's opinion. The prompts are all in the article and Xynth is free to try, so run your own and see if you land somewhere different.

Until next time.

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u/PandaMcGee3 — 18 hours ago

Do you use Monte Carlo Analysis?

I’m trying to get an idea of how many traders use Monte Carlo. I’ve found it useful but I don’t see it mentioned much in the subreddits I’ve visited.

View Poll

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u/JayCreator7 — 18 hours ago
▲ 42 r/Trading

Spent 2 years and $3k learning to trade so I can quit my 9-to-6. Now I’m stuck at the starting line.

Hey everyone,

​I’ve been deep in the trenches learning trading for over two years now. I've paid my dues—losing over $3,000 along the way just trying to figure out how the markets actually move.

​But today, I feel like I finally "know it all." Obviously, I don't mean I'm a market god who predicts every single tick, but the puzzle pieces have finally clicked. I have my strategy down, I understand price action and market structure, and I know exactly what a winning setup looks like. My absolute, ultimate end goal here is to build this up enough to finally leave my soul-crushing 9-to-6 job.

​But actually executing and making that leap? I’m completely stuck.

​I’m facing two massive roadblocks right now that are keeping me from transitioning from a student who lost money to a live trader on the path to freedom:

​The Capital Problem: After losing that $3k during my learning phase, I simply don’t have enough personal capital left right now to trade the size that makes the returns meaningful, or worth the emotional stress of trying to grow it.

​The 9-to-6 Grind Paradox: Staying consistent is incredibly draining when the very thing I'm trying to escape is holding me back. By the time I manage my daily workload, finding the mental clarity to patiently wait for candle closes and manage risk properly feels like a secondary battle. I'm exhausted, but I know I have to push through to get out.

​It’s incredibly frustrating to feel like you finally have the blueprint to your freedom after eating a $3,000 loss, but lack the mechanics to actually build it.

​Has anyone else successfully broken out of this specific limbo? How did you manage to rebuild capital or adjust your trading style to fit around a rigid work schedule so you could finally transition full-time?

​Would love to hear how you guys made the jump.

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u/TrickTechnical4250 — 1 day ago

Beginner

Where exactly is the best place to learn the language and terminology for trading, I’m a complete beginner and want to learn how to start as I have just started my holidays for school.
All I hear is these buzz words from people and it seems daunting but I like the idea of problem solving, I was just wondering, is there anything I can begin with so I’m on track to understanding how I can also be profitable?
Thanks ❤️

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u/Realistic-Ebb-47 — 18 hours ago

I hear people say they "Paid Their Dues" How do you calculate that?

Some people lose a few thousand, and some lose hundreds of thousands and call it "Paying their dues." My opinion is, if you think you lost some money and say you paid your dues, then you're dreaming. For goodness sake, PAPER TRADE until you see you're "Consistently" Profitable. The markets are not a casino!

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u/vstahl — 1 day ago

12 ES trades in June, 75% win rate. The number that actually mattered wasn't the win rate

Traded ES on 15s-1m charts through June, 12 trades total, 9 winners. $1,669 net on my Apex eval, so no real money on this one yet, just want to be upfront about that since most posts here bury it.

Went back through the stats after the month closed and one thing stood out. My winning trades ran 6+ minutes on average. My losing trades closed in under 2 minutes, one of them in under a minute. I didn't plan that, it just showed up when I looked at the data.

Kind of makes sense in hindsight. When I'm right, price usually confirms it slowly and I let it run. When I'm wrong, it's obvious almost immediately and I'm out. The one trade that hurt the most (biggest drawdown of the month) was actually one where I hesitated on a good exit signal for close to 3 minutes second guessing myself.

Also only took 12 trades the whole month, which was on purpose. I'd tracked before that my 1-trade days ran around 74% win rate and my 4+ trade days dropped to under 40%, so I just started capping it.

https://preview.redd.it/ip7rznup6hbh1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=fdfcc1fefaeb61dc008cfdfd11c69210ce62ed03

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u/TheTradingTeddy — 20 hours ago

Should I quit trading ?

At a point in my life , i was thinking about all those losses , all that money that i invested in , all that time , cause nearly five years is a great time , it's perfect either , cause you can learn any skill in it . I was wondering about my futur , all those feelings , those falls expectations , my poor self-control .

But , by contempling the bright side , this experience is priceless , gaining two figures in nearly a week , losing all the saving in CPI release , being face to face with my self . Even all that grinding , that stress , that , bring at a spot where you don't know even what are you looking at , all of it gonna workout . It's not a bullshit , it's the process . It's all about patience , and about being delusional enough to beleive that one day it may workout ,that one day you will beat the market in its own game .

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u/Far_mn1206 — 1 day ago

Any discord groups or meets?

Hey, i am a practical learner so im wondering if there are any discord servers i can join to learn more about the trading world, or any kind of places meets or anything like that where traders sit? I want to learn more of it but its just that i do need a good company. Cant be hanging around the people with 9-5 mindsets.

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u/Downtown_Fudge_3067 — 1 day ago
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most "dead" strategies aren't dead, people just can't tell drawdown from edge decay

most people think their strategy died. what actually happened is they never learned the difference between drawdown and edge decay, and it's costing them good strategies for no reason.

drawdown looks identical to edge decay from the inside. you lose money either way, doubt creeps in either way, the chart doesn't care which one it is. the only real difference is sample size and cause. 15-20 losing trades in a row means nothing on its own. any strategy with a genuine edge will hit stretches like that, that's just what variance looks like when you're the one living through it instead of backtesting it on a screen. what actually tells you the edge is gone is being able to point to why. the market condition your edge depended on structurally changed. the liquidity that used to be there dried up. the participants who created the inefficiency you were exploiting aren't around anymore.

when that happens, refining the strategy harder doesn't fix it, you're just polishing something that's already dead. and rebuilding from scratch when it's actually just variance means you're abandoning a working edge because you got unlucky for three weeks.

the actual fork isn't "adapt or rebuild." it's simpler than that. does the reason this worked still exist, yes or no. everything else follows from the answer.

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u/Suitable_Acadia_190 — 1 day ago

I thought that not every system/Strategy works so I changed my approach

NOTE: Will be a long read.

https://preview.redd.it/xyt1m1lhzfbh1.jpg?width=852&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=073024a2bfed00c569980eee29ea0ff8a76ac203

As you can see above my Pnl,

but I am not here to brag.

I am sharing my Point of view which made me profitable.

From starting of my journey, I never had a good winrate and I used to think that winrate is what matters.

What matter in our method is Direction, ability to let winners run, and a solid entry criteria paired with volitality.

I am a 1M TF trader so I determine my direction through price action on 15M TF

15M TF

here are 3 consicutive BOS so I will look for buys in 1M TF for today.

also have a strict trades per day or ideas per day limit.
if you dont keep it then you may over trade. Idea here is that no one can predict the correct direction. we may be wrong here too so we can protect our capital here.

Ability to let winners run :-
haha, most will struggle here. I'll share how I developed it.
you can try 20 trade exercise by Mark Douglas with real money till you get rid of emotions first. it may take 3 try or 5 or even 10+ do it it works!
Then, do the same exercise again but with a catch. you will take a direction(Bias) and then place trades like ussual but now without a TP and ones you hit 1RR you will trail your SL to Break even. now repeat till your mind stabilizes, close your running trades at the end of 20th trade.
VERY IMPORTANT NOTE( Try to keep your SL as small as possible)

take your own Entry criteria but trade only on 1st hour of London session or NYC session.
VERY IMPORTANT NOTE( again, find out avg 1st Hour moment of your FX pair you trade. for mine its GBPUSD so around 20 pips. so IF I keep a fucking 5 PIP SL then I should expect 4RR or maybe 5RR. but my SL is always 3 pips(get a good broker with 0 spread) so I keep my tp to minimum 6 RR

also Dynamic Take Profit is very important so look from your journal or backtests. you will definitely find a good pattern and figure out your style of trading and your risk appetite
If your ok with losing a trade which is halfway your Tp then fucking increase your RR!

MY Winrate is 20-30% so I am ok with losing trades and breakeven trades.
RR is dynamic. alot of factors in consideration.

Psychology is important too.

I know that a single winner will make up for losses and the profit for a month
so I tend to be very picky with my trades.

I am not a world class trader nor do I call myself one. the main problem that people miss understand is that making more money= more return. ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOT!!

5% return in 10 Million dollar capital is far more superior then 50% return on 500K
Thats the reason why hedge fund managers and wall street traders are world class traders even when they make around 20% returns in a year!

feel free to ask anything, I'll be happy to assist.

English is not my first language so excuse me and I am writing it myself is better then using AI.

just here because I have some free time.

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u/SanskrutiChaiBar — 24 hours ago