r/XenoGears

Like I'm sure many of you, Xenogears is one of my favorite games of all time. I remember the first time I played through Xenosaga, my expectations were probably way too high. I did enjoy it, but I just remember being slightly disappointed. Replaying it now, the game holds up quite well. The cinematic and voice acting are really good, and the combat can require real strategy, especially on this difficulty mod I'm playing. If anyone else had a similar feeling when they first played, maybe give it another playthrough; I'm having a blast. If anyone is interested, the difficulty mod is the one by Landon Ray. He made ones for all 3 games, and you can find it pretty easily.

Fei Suggests

This is your futon brain on gin n' tonic

Nightmare fuel Elly and Citan

Nuh uh don't like this one

New Character!! *Cries Alone

When you want to drink red and she wants to drink blue.

Ok man just put the lore in the bag.

Zohar finds a way.

Marge was robbed ngl.

Faxed images including demonic Chu Chu.

Hello everyone!

I haven't played xenogears in a good few years and haven't had much of a chance to replay it, but I was hoping I could find some clarity on a plot detail I was stuck on, namely in relation to Grahf.

So, from what I recall, due to the intense despair Lacan had over the death of Sophia (his version of Elly), the powerlessness he felt in the moment sought him to want to seek power. Through this desire, alongside Miang's own guidance, he made incomplete contact with the Zohar, effectively birthing the personality of Grahf, which wishes to end human suffering by utilising Deus to destroy all of humanity before destroying Deus along with it.

My question is, Grahf did know about the wave existence, right? Because, if such, was there a 'logical' reason that Grahf didn't seek the same goal as Fei eventually comes to, that being freeing the wave existence from the Zohar? As that would have ended (most of) humanity's suffering without destroying the world.

I do understand that a lot of Grahf's motivations here comes out of his despair, and if that is the main reason for his disconnect, then fair play (I really enjoy him as an antagonist as it is already), but I guess what I'm asking is that (from his warped perspective) if there was a logical/knowledge based process that led to him concluding that destroying humanity = freeing humanity, rather than freeing wave existence = freeing humanity.

Hoping that this post makes sense, my apologies if it's a bit confusing.

Edit: Spelling fixes

..'s face is not what we see ingame. I didnt realize he's wearing armor the whole time lol. We never actually really get to see him