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SNAP is a unnecessary Band-Aid of a social program

$10 billion a month spent on food when increases in productivity made it so that from 1950-2026 the average amount spent on groceries in the US went from 30% to 5-10% according to the Department of agriculture; it’s clearly unnecessary based on what recipients spend it on and these extra facts

1: “In 2025 and 2026, the average American household spent approximately 8.1% to 13% of its median income on groceries. The exact percentage is heavily dependent on location, with residents in states like Massachusetts and California averaging closer to 6.7%, while households in states with lower median incomes, such as Mississippi and Louisiana, spend up to 12% to 13% of their earnings on food at home.” If food is clearly this cheap although monetary policy is making it unaffordable relative to a few years ago, but historically it’s so cheap here in the US. There’s a reason our pizza is the way it is (Yummers).

2: The single parent problem amongst the black community;
As Thomas Sowell hammered down to us; According to economist Thomas Sowell, the poverty rate in the Black community was cut nearly in half over the span of a generation, dropping from 87% in 1940 to 47% by 1960. Sowell stresses that this massive 40-percentage-point decline occurred before the passage of major civil rights legislation or the creation of Great Society welfare programs, people can figure there life’s out, govt don’t need to come in.
When the expanded welfare state was introduced in the 1960s, Sowell argues that it slowed down economic progress and caused severe social retrogression, specifically by decimating the Black family structure. The government came knocking and now single parenthood amongst blacks is 60% today; Sowell points out that in 1960—after a century of enduring the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow—the vast majority of Black children (78%) were raised in two-parent households. By 1985, after two decades of welfare expansion, that trend completely reversed: 67% of Black children were raised in single-parent or no-parent homes.

3: as relating to the second point Thomas Sowell explained with a few words.. “what’s the point of producing when you can live off what others produce?” People have this misconception that these social programs are “steppingstones” or helping hand, but no, it’s a handout, which causes people to have their time preference raised instead of accomplishing low time preference, of course, especially with the single parent problem can teach people in welfare to have bad traits that naturally lead to bad social and individual outcomes

4: the helping hand affects that supporters of SNAP talk about is actually compensating for mistakes of government that stifles opportunity and makes things expensive. Minimum parking spaces (something the left and right agree on for different reasons, but overall has to go), property taxes, minimum wage laws, etc

The final note is this: “The National Park Service issues signs that say 'Please Do Not Feed the Bears' because the animals will grow dependent on handouts, lose their wild instincts, and fail to learn how to survive on their own. Yet, the government turns around and applies the exact opposite philosophy to human beings through the welfare state."

u/LibertyEconlover — 9 hours ago

“BUT…. DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM IS REAL SOCIALISM” - said the simpleton

Whenever you see a leftist or a Democrat, trying to defend their new Democratic socialist coalition always remember that those economic simpletons spent years fighting each other over what is real socialism, by all means we have to go out there to teach them their own system, it’s failures, it’s hypocrisy, it’s illusions, and most importantly it’s stupidity.

The most classic one emerging that the economic simpletons have been spouting is that democratic socialism isn’t real socialism and it’s only social democracy, my guy if that was the case why wouldn’t they call it social democracy? Whenever I hear the economic simpletons say something along the lines of “mix of both” “social democracy” I wanna puke.
“I was elected three times”- Hugo Chavez

So here is it what socialism actually is because the economic simpletons will never give you the right answer and it’s implications;

Socialism is that system which seeks to collectivize the means of production by abolishing private property.

Socialists like saying that you still get to keep your personal property but the illusion that they fall for is absolutely pathetic, if time, labor, capital, land, etc are means of production… the government controls your time, land, and capital.

As seen in the Soviet Union the Continuous Work Week (or nepreryvka) introduced by Joseph Stalin in 1929. It abolished the traditional seven-day week and weekends in an attempt to maximize industrial output and disrupt religious practices.

The government replaced the standard weekend with a rotating five-day or six-day cycle where citizens worked for four (or five) days and had one designated rest day.
Worker Groups: Society was divided into color-coded groups (e.g., yellow, orange, red). Each group had a different day off.
The Goal: This kept factories and offices operating non-stop without traditional holidays or "Sundays off"

But yeah, man, according to the socialists you have private property, you just can’t build your home past a specific size nor in very specific architectural manners since that potentially disrupts industrial output, with the little industrial capability that they are capable of (cars took 10 years). There is no separation between personal and private property, because land resources and time are used personally and privately

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u/LibertyEconlover — 13 hours ago

The EU is likely voting next week on an unprecedented attempt to bypass Parliament's democratic decision and reinstate mass scanning of private messages. Take action now to demand they defend your fundamental rights and stop scanning your private messages.

https://preview.redd.it/1c1yw55z07bh1.png?width=1388&format=png&auto=webp&s=781c6cfcd9614a87920b2546810313a8a4888e7d

https://fightchatcontrol.eu/es/#contact-tool

This shit is complete madness. We'd already be at China's level in mass control. If we add the digital euro to that, we'd have the perfect recipe for the Soviet European Union.

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u/Acceptable-War4836 — 2 days ago
▲ 724 r/austrian_economics+1 crossposts

People are eating up socialist slopaganda about rent freeze in NYC without even considering second order effects

u/YesHelloDolly — 3 days ago
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A monetary constitution you ratify: full reserve, rules over discretion, no policy rate. Come find the hole.

Quick concession up front, because this is the one room where I don't have to argue for it: the dollar loses value by design. A dollar saved in 2000 buys about 54 cents now. Fractional-reserve banks create money as debt, a discretionary central bank manages the price of credit, and the result is a slow, deliberate transfer away from anyone who holds the currency. You already know this. It's the disease, not a side effect.

So, I'll skip selling you the problem and go straight to the part you'll want to fight. I've built a worked-out alternative, and I'm posting it here because this is the room most likely to find where it breaks.

Here's what should interest you before you write it off as statist fiat. Banks can't create money by lending. Transaction accounts are fully reserved, and credit is intermediation of money that already exists, not new money conjured at the keystroke. Issuance is bound by a fixed rule tied to real growth, not a committee's discretion, closer to a monetary constitution than to a Fed meeting. And there's no interest-rate channel at all: rates are set by the market, not steered by a central authority. Full reserve, rules over discretion, no policy rate. Those are your priors, not the Fed's.

The setting I think is actually interesting for this room is the deflationary one. There the supply grows slower than real output by rule, so the price level drifts down close to 2% a year and every dollar you hold quietly gains purchasing power, not because a committee chose to be virtuous but because the rule won't let it do otherwise. That's the benign, productivity-driven deflation, not a frozen economy, and it's fixed constitutionally rather than left to anyone's judgment. It's also only one of the configurations the architecture allows, not the whole of it.

Now the parts you'll want to attack, said plainly, because they're the real fight.

First: the money is still issued by a public authority. It's sovereign. Not gold, not competing currencies, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise. The claim is narrower than "this is sound money." It's that a full-reserve, rule-bound, growth-tied issuance strips out the discretion and the debasement that make fiat rotten, without the supply rigidity of a metal standard. Whether that's enough, or whether sovereign issuance is rotten root-and-branch regardless of the rule, is exactly what I want argued.

Second, and this is the sharpest blade I can hand you: in the floor-building configurations the new money doesn't drop from a helicopter. It buys broad-market equity, which makes the issuer a large, price-insensitive buyer of stocks. I model the effect as a bounded valuation premium rather than a runaway one, because the buyer turns into a net seller as the population ages and firms issue more equity into the bid. But "bounded" is a claim, not a law, and a permanent sovereign bid under the whole index is precisely the kind of capital-market distortion this sub is right to be suspicious of. If it breaks anywhere, my money's on here. Tell me why the premium doesn't stay bounded.

And before someone says "just don't have the state buy stocks": you can configure it that way. There's a pure-dividend setting that buys no index at all. But that doesn't make the distortion vanish, it moves where it lands. The new money then goes into the goods circuit as a direct dividend instead of into equities. The framework's claim is that this stays goods-price-neutral as long as the dividend is capped by the same growth-matched budget, on the logic that it hands citizens a claim on real output the economy actually produced rather than new demand against a fixed supply. Push it past that budget and it becomes inflation by design, which is exactly how you select the inflation mode. So, the second target is that neutrality claim itself: is a dividend tied to real growth really non-inflationary, or does money handed to consumers bid up prices no matter what you tie it to? Pick whichever you think is the weaker link, the asset-price premium or the goods-price neutrality and aim there.

The redistribution piece, a per-person wealth floor some of you will object to on principle, is downstream of the monetary rule and separable from it. The issuance can be configured without it. Argue it if you like, but it isn't the load-bearing claim. The load-bearing claim is the money itself: can a discretion-free, full-reserve, growth-pinned issuance hold its value, or does it fail in a way I haven't modeled?

Fourteen papers, a macro model, and an interactive engine you can run in your browser, all built to be attacked rather than believed. The transactional-money claim it rests on now has two independent constructions that converge on the data, with full replication code, so there's something concrete to break, not just an assertion. If it's just fiat with extra steps, this is the room that will prove it.

Front door with all papers & replications: https://neo-solon.github.io/Citizens-Standard/front_door.html

u/Neo_Solon — 3 days ago

It’s so infuriating leftist talking about taxing wealth while defending moneyprinting

The main thing is they (want to) believe in institutions.

So pointing out that moneyprinting and forcing at least 2% inflation (but often much more) is an active, exponential subsidy for all asset holders, it feels to them that you are attacking daddy.

The greatest accomplishment of the rich has been convincing the left, working class to fight their battle through presenting Keynesian economics as “science”.

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u/lordtosti — 4 days ago

People are so happy to pay more taxes

https://preview.redd.it/432ipa0nhwah1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=67ddc5ac83b694181854aedda795ff3b19498e32

Now instead of buying a Chinese product, I will have to pay three times the price of the same Chinese product bought from a European retailer (by the way, returns are available on AliExpress and Temu if you don't like the product).

The part that bothers me the most is when they tell you they're doing it "for your own good." As if the consumer were mentally challenged.

"Unfair disadvantage"? Does this refer to European companies that have lobbied to undermine Chinese competition with this regulation?

"30 million Europeans work in retail". This reminds me of the Milton Friedman anecdote:

>"I saw hundreds of workers digging a canal with shovels. I asked why they weren't using excavators. They replied, 'It's a jobs program.' Then I said, 'Oh, I thought you were trying to build a canal. If what you want is to create jobs, take away their shovels and give them spoons."

FUCK THE UE!

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u/Acceptable-War4836 — 3 days ago

Prohibiting to post age limits in job positions is ridiculous.

Imagine being a 45+ yo, applying for a job, only to waste your time on the interview because it’s been decided already by the management to hire someone under 30. And the people in management aren’t some dicks, they just can’t put it in their posting because it’s prohibited by the government. And they can’t even tell you that they are not dicks, because if they do, you can take them to court, and you will win a lawsuit against them for discrimination based on the age.

So you go from interview to interview… Getting rejected. Wasting your time. Getting discouraged. But it didn’t have to be that way. You see, the government cares for you. You must suffer.

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u/different_option101 — 3 days ago

Actually rage baiting me by invoking Hayek

He did not study Austrian economics, or economics in general, what he did do is he looked up a bunch of thinkers and what they claimed to explain instead of their work and then critiques a bunch of their quotes.

Progressives are simpletons at economics from Capital in the 21st century to actually even having some so-called economists support rent control? Economics is getting turned into a field where the most anti-economic people actually fit in such as socialists, or they just don’t study enough for example AOC has a bachelors in economics?

u/LibertyEconlover — 5 days ago
▲ 11 r/austrian_economics+2 crossposts

The $315 trillion question that breaks the usual capitalism-vs-socialism debate

Global debt just crossed $315 trillion, ~3x world GDP, two-thirds of it in the advanced economies. It left me with a question I can't un-ask: if everyone is in debt, who does the world actually owe?

Following it honestly led somewhere uncomfortable:

- Modern money is created as debt (BoE's own 2014 bulletin: ~97% of money is bank lending). The principal is created, the interest isn't, so total debt has to grow faster than the money supply. The recurring crashes look structural, not accidental.

- The Ottoman bankruptcy of 1875 is usually cited as proof Islamic economics fails. But the Ottomans avoided interest-bearing foreign debt for centuries and only collapsed AFTER their first European loan in 1854. The default followed *abandoning* the riba prohibition, not applying it.

- Zakat is the part I find most interesting: a 2.5%/yr levy on idle wealth (not income), which structurally punishes hoarding and pushes capital into production. The opposite of how income tax works.

I'm not claiming any current Muslim-majority country runs this well (most don't, and I get into why). I'm arguing the *principles* hold up, and that the West already uses pieces of them (VC = profit/loss sharing; Islamic banks took zero 2008 bailouts).

Wrote the full argument with sources here if useful Link in first comment below

Genuinely want the strongest counterarguments — where does this break?

here is my full article: https://www.rashadbayram.com/blog/islam-third-economic-system
u/brashad78 — 5 days ago

Today, Justice Clarence Thomas has two references to Murray Rothbard's Conceived in Liberty in his dissent over birthright citizenship.

u/amogusdevilman — 5 days ago
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If we can’t lower actual inflation, let’s just change the ruler

Is this not how you read it? Does he need to go out on the streets of Washington D.C. and yell out “I won’t hike rates” for the street to understand that he is a dove? This is the playbook of a central bank yielding to political power. Change the measures of inflation so that you don’t have it as high anymore.

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/01/warsh-faces-multiple-alternative-inflation-signs-as-fed-charts-new-course.html

u/johannyer — 5 days ago

Happy birthday Thomas Sowell 🎂

Thomas Sowell is to a lot of people the first economist who started shifting them to the right path of common sense economics. Sowell is what I like calling Austrian adjacent, due to his books that he writes for the General public such as his famous basic economics and wealth poverty and politics.

Sowell is now 96 years old.

Happy birthday 🎉🎂

Sowell and his interviews at the Hoover institute

u/LibertyEconlover — 5 days ago

Yeah I’d delete the app too if I got a $120 bill

The economic simpletons who ruin everything they touch are back at it again; with a $24 DOLLAR MINIMUM WAGE?

The laws of economics won’t change because humans still always act purposely to remove felt uneasiness, so yes to those simpletons putting a price control on wage labor above what the market clearing rate would be, would cause a surplus of labor, I.e unemployment

Employers must legally pay more than the worker's marginal revenue product.
Business owners cannot logically sustain a deliberate, ongoing financial loss. They respond by freezing hiring, cutting hours, replacing workers with machines, or closing down.
When you artificially force the price up, you instantly create a gap where more people want jobs than there are jobs available

Minimum wage is also a Jim Crow law btw, check out the Davis bacon act on your free time

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u/LibertyEconlover — 4 days ago

What is the austrian view on government making companies to switch from monthly rate to hourly rate?

So in 3rd world countries like mine - Sri Lanka, we are paid monthly. Therefore many companies manage to get work done from us without OT payments especially if you in executive level in marketing or IT.
It is quite hectic. In our language we say “getting work done by pushing you to the edge of death or having to work like dogs”.

You can get some allowance, but that is at the mercy of your superior.

How does austrian economics view the government intervening in labour markets by making companies to pay employees by the hour instead of monthly salary. If they do, the managers who make you work too much will surely ask employees to take a day off.

The key is, this benefits the average citizen like me directly. Tax payers not effected and I don’t see how it would discourage hiring like minimum wage laws.

I am bit new to this subject but lacks time to learn about this. If the law change, I might be able to :).

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u/NewLeague6438 — 5 days ago