Português: Entra na polícula, vagabundo/a.
Galego: Entra na polícula, vagabundo/a.
Italiano: Entra nella policola, vagabondo/a.
Español: Entra en la polícula, vagabundo/a.
English: Enter in le polycule, vagabond.
Interlingua: Entra in le polycula, vagabundo/a.
Should the basic grammar and basic words of auxlangs (e.g. Occidental, Interlingua and Elefen/LFN) be "set in stone"? Meaning, that someone creates a "law" that the basic words and basic grammar of the language can't be changed or altered .... without such a "law", splits and schisms in the language could happen, which has affected (and still affects) many auxlangs and conlangs
With my 90-day "Anglo-Franca challenge" behind me, I thought I would turn my attention to another historic project. Intal is a little bit different because it's gotten quite a bit more attention, even in the last 25 or 30 years.
I myself was able to write freely in it almost exactly 20 years ago, until I gave it up for reasons which I may or may not get into below.
Some of you may know that I mention Intal quite prominently in my video "which conlang should be the world auxiliary language?". Even just a week ago somebody posted a video here with an overview of the language.
Given how easy it was to find information in 2006 and how new things were being put online even then, and given how easy it was to find a copy of Anglo-Franca from 1889, I thought it would be easy to find detailed information about Intal. It's not.
If you have any links that still work or that can be found in an archive, please let me know below.
I am finding Google search next to useless.The external links in the Wikipedia article are either not working or not helpful. The most useful information I've been able to find so far has been in the Auxlang listserv archive at Brown, but that will be going offline in 2 weeks.
Esperanto is and probably always will be my "main thing" but Intal uses an approach which is unlike anything else we see happening in this space.
Actually, there are two potential stories we could tell about Intal.
Story 1: Intal is a communication system that does not rely on its own dictionary, and as a result demonstrates very clearly that all the differences between our various preferred Auxiliary language projects do not matter, and that what unites us is greater than what separates us.
Story 2: Intal is the life work of a solitary eccentric who didn't know when to leave good enough alone. He produced a rather nothing project, basically the same as everything else, and all he succeeded in doing before his death was to create a 7th competing standard where there used to be only six.
I'm much prefer the first story, and that's the story I'm going to be telling for the next 60 days as I relearn Intal, having forgotten it nearly completely in the last 20 years.
.... and why?
I revisited Elefen after 2 or 3 years, and saw the word "cua" ... i initially thought it was a typo, but later realized that "cual" changed into "cua" ("cual" is still used in some situations) ... that change (from cual to cua), i think, just randomly happened out of nowhere
I think the title speaks for itself, let's get to the point.
З=z β= w
Life Зuβ
Live зuβ(a)
To live (ak)зuβ(a)
Alive зuβ(ee)
Death (non)зuβ
Die (non)зuβ(a)
To die (ak)(non)(а)
One root seven roots
Salute a omnes! Yo ha publicat un nov libre de poesie in Occidental.
the true
.... or at least, is it part of the Big Three/Four/Five Auxlangs?
30 junio 2026.
[Cortis: ca= catalan; de= deutx; en= engles; eo= esperanto; es= espaniol; fr= franses; he= ivri; it= italian; pt= portuges; zh= xines]
afrihili, almi, arabi iudi, bir de radis, beni, biral, blisimbol(es), iperboteca, noncapasia, cimtxi, clingon, coloca, confita, confitada, confitada de fruta, nonconformante a jenero, noncontroversa, conversador, creol jamaican, crespe, cretona, cuenia, dotraci, elemento de caldi, entimema, espaniol iudi, farsi iudi, festa de Patris, gaiocono, ganiengeaga, gioza, minigolf, igbo, iomcipur, yomcipur, iotisme, jubiladia, ladan, ladino, de lete, leteriste, lojban, macabi, mehri, microlingua, mizrahi, molin de cafe, morcela, navi, norsce, norsce de libros, norsce nova, odinoxoni, oleta, oniotaca, onondagega, onondouaga, panel solal, pasienti, pato de bosce, person du, person prima, person tre, pigmentosa, plata de coce, polari, poleninte, posteriste, proba ultima, purim, rea de Saba, regula orin, reserveria, roxaxana, Saba, sala de sirurjia, sambasa, simhatora, sindarin, sirurjia (verbo), solresol, sonosa, Spirito Grande, duspirito, sucot, tat, tat iudi, tati, tereno comun, supraterma, taliabiscoto, Tesalonici, Titicaca, Lago, tixabeav, trajica, trajici, trajicia, trapisonia, treca, trecor, tsez, tubixvat, venda, venera, volapuc, volapuciste, volpeta, xavuot, xrapnel
afrihili -- ajetivo linguistica
afrihili -- nom
almi -- verbo transitiva
almi -- nom
arabi iudi -- ajetivo
beni -- verbo nontransitiva
beni -- verbo transitiva
beni -- nom
bir de radis -- nom
biral -- ajetivo
blisimbol -- nom linguistica
Blisimboles -- nom plural
iperboteca -- nom
noncapasia -- ajetivo
cimtxi -- nom
clingon -- ajetivo linguistica
clingon -- nom demonim
coloca -- verbo nontransitiva linguistica
coloca -- nom
confita -- verbo transitiva
confitada -- nom
confitada de fruta -- nom
nonconformante a jenero -- ajetivo
noncontroversa -- ajetivo
conversador -- nom
creol jamaican -- ajetivo
creol jamaican -- nom
crespe -- nom veste
cretona -- nom veste
cuenia -- ajetivo linguistica
cuenia -- nom
dotraci -- ajetivo linguistica
dotraci -- nom demonim
elemento de caldi -- nom
elfica – ajetivo
elfica – nom
entimema -- nom filosofia
espaniol iudi -- ajetivo
farsi iudi -- ajetivo
festa de Patris -- nom
gaiocono -- ajetivo demonim
gaiocono -- nom demonim
ganiengeaga -- ajetivo demonim
ganiengeaga -- nom demonim
gioza -- nom cosini
igbo -- ajetivo
igbo -- nom demonim
leteriste -- nom
minigolf -- nom
iomcipur|yomcipur -- nom relijio
iotisme -- nom linguistica
jubiladia -- nom
ladan -- ajetivo linguistica
ladan -- nom
ladino -- ajetivo linguistica
ladino -- nom
de lete -- ajetivo
lojban -- ajetivo linguistica
lojban -- nom linguistica
macabi -- ajetivo
macabi -- nom
mehri -- ajetivo
mehri -- nom demonim
microlingua -- nom
mizrahi -- ajetivo relijio
mizrahi -- nom demonim
molin de cafe -- nom
morcela -- nom
navi -- ajetivo linguistica
navi -- nom demonim
norsce -- nom demonim
norsce de libros -- nom
norsce nova -- nom
odinoxoni -- ajetivo demonim
odinoxoni* -- nom demonim
oleta -- verbo transitiva
oniotaca -- ajetivo demonim
oniotaca -- nom demonim
onondagega -- ajetivo demonim
onondagega -- nom demonim
onondouaga -- ajetivo demonim
onondouaga -- nom demonim
panel solal -- nom
pasienti -- verbo nontransitiva
pato de bosce -- nom
person du -- nom linguistica
person prima -- nom linguistica
person tre -- nom linguistica
pigmentosa -- ajetivo
plata de coce -- nom
polari -- ajetivo linguistica
polari -- nom
poleninte -- nom
posteriste -- nom
proba ultima -- nom arte
purim -- nom relijio
rea de Saba -- nom istoria
regula orin -- nom
reserveria -- nom
roxaxana -- nom relijio
Saba -- nom jeografial istoria
sala de sirurjia -- nom medica
sambasa -- ajetivo linguistica
sambasa -- nom
scarure -- ajetivo demonim
scarure -- nom demonim
simhatora -- nom relijio
sindarin -- ajetivo linguistica
sindarin -- nom
sirurjia -- verbo transitiva
solresol -- ajetivo linguistica
solresol -- nom
sonosa -- ajetivo
Spirito Grande -- nom relijio
duspirito -- ajetivo relijio
duspirito -- nom relijio
sucot -- nom relijio
suplicor -- nom
tat -- ajetivo
tat -- nom demonim
tat iudi -- ajetivo
tati -- ajetivo
tati -- nom demonim
tereno comun -- nom
supraterma -- nom filosofia
taliabiscoto -- nom verbo-nom
Tesalonici -- nom jeografial
Titicaca, Lago -- nom jeografial
tixabeav -- nom relijio
tocipona -- ajetivo linguistica
tocipona -- nom
trajica -- ajetivo
trajici -- verbo nontransitiva
trajicia -- nom
trapisonia -- nom verbo-nom
treca -- verbo nontransitiva
treca -- nom
trecor -- nom
tsez -- ajetivo
tsez -- nom demonim
tsonga -- ajetivo
tsonga -- nom demonim
tubixvat -- nom relijio
venda -- ajetivo
venda -- nom demonim
venera -- verbo transitiva
venera -- nom
venerable -- ajetivo
veni a conose -- verbo
volapuc -- ajetivo linguistica
volapuc -- nom
volapuciste -- ajetivo
volapuciste -- nom
volpeta -- nom
xavuot -- nom relijio
xrapnel -- nom militar
One of the things which attracted me to Elefen is the Toki Pona-like feel or "charm" or "vibes" of the language ... (compared to other Romance/Latin-based auxlangs such as Esperanto, Ido, Interlingua and Occidental)
ik theinan augon sahwim
jah ik meinak sunuk thagkjim,
thu swa altheiki swaswe is was is,
hwanma,ik thairn weihak letim,
kauruwist mein tawi?
ik hwazuh guma dauthuidim
balwim ik allas dagas
ni sahweis thatan skohslan
hwema dauthuan thus kunaim
ik guma im
jah ik husan gagan sokjim
afar allas thatas jers fairra witkit
ik guma im
hwama libainak weihist
ina ik unte meinak gaspothik fairhwun giban kunaim
ik guma im
ak,hwanma maidist stain theihwostainan?
hwanma maidist kindil fonan?
hwanma maidist guma skohslan?
hwanma maidist wato storman?
hwanma maidist thagkj ufarhugjan?
hwanma maidist guma skohslan?
hwanma maidist stain theihwostainan? mik afleteis
hwanma maidist kindil fonan? mik afleteis
hwanma maidist guma skohslan? mik afleteis
hwanma maidist guma skohslan? mik afleteis
ik guma im
esto es la cancion "just a man" de epic the musical traducida al mini neogotico, un conlang que cree basado en el gotico pero con la gramatica simplificada (manteniendo las caractristicas gramaticales principales, escepto el genero que solo esta en los pronombres) y con alrededor de 400 palabras de vocabulario. quieren mas informacion de este conlang?. lo hice porque a la gente se le hace muy dificil aprender el gotico por su gramatica complicada.
In esperanto, Roman numerals are not frequent. In PMEG, Bertil Wennergren writes succinctly:
>Ciferoj (hindaj-arabaj ciferoj) estas simboloj por nombroj. Iafoje oni uzas anstataŭe romajn ciferojn (I, II, III, IV, V ...), sed la romaj ciferoj ne estas tutmonde konataj, kaj estas evitindaj en Esperanto.
In English: "...Roman numerals are not known all over the world, and are better avoided in Esperanto".
This is perfectly understandable and appropriate for a schematic IAL. However, I feel that, in some contexts, refusing them altogether may be excessive, and create that sense of unpleasant artificiality many people see and don't like in Esperanto. An example is the numbers for monarchs, popes, etc.: while pretty much all Latin script languages use Roman numerals, Esperanto uses Arabic ones, standing out:
| English | Charles III | Leo XIV |
|---|---|---|
| Latin | Carolus III | Leo XIV |
| German | Charles III. / Karl III. | Leo XIV. |
| Vietnamese | Charles III | Lêô XIV |
| Polish | Karol III | Leon XIV |
| Turkish | III. Charles | XIV. Leo |
| Spanish | Carlos III | León XIV |
| Portuguese | Carlos III | Leão XIV |
| Hungarian | III. Károly | XIV. Leó |
| Tagalog | Charles III | Leon XIV |
| Azeri | III Çarlz / III Karl | XIV Leo / XIV Lev |
| Esperanto | Karolo la 3-a | Leono la 14-a |
For such old institutions, the use of Arabic numerals clashes with habit and probably looks too "mechanical/modern", while Roman numerals feel more appropriate for their traditional, stately aura. Since the latter are pretty much universal (in Latin-script languages) they seem fitting for naturalism in a Latin-script IAL.
How could those be introduced into the schematic grammar of Leuth? My first idea is just to link them to the •o ending of adjectives by a hyphen:
What do you think? Do you like this solution, or would you do otherwise? Or maybe you prefer Arabic numerals like in Esperanto? Tell me your opinion...
87 days ago, I undertook a "challenge" to learn the historic auxlang project "Anglo-Franca". For details of this challenge, and some of my earlier thoughts on the project, you can search this subreddit or even do a Google search for "Anglo-Franca". Most of the hits will point to me since nobody else seems to ever have learned it.
I renewed my "challenge" twice to "90 jours". I'm still enjoying Anglo-Franca but I've decided that it's time to let the challenge expire at the end of the month. It's starting to feel more routine and I'd like to start a new challenge starting in July to keep myself motivated to learn.
The first 30 days of the challenge were documented here. 30 Jours with Anglo-Franca
I documented days 31 to present in a private document - and posted a few things on Blue Sky (#AngloFranca).
A few disorganized thoughts at this point.
It really does look like a jumble of English and French and so people have a negative reaction to it. It's fairly clear that the author didn't really stand behind the idea - publishing under a pseudonym as he published other things under his real name.
People laughed at it then and they laugh at it now. As a serious proposal, it has its shortcomings.
I am still convinced by the same sales pitch that got me curious about learning the language. All effort put into learning Anglo-Franca (for an English speaker) can be used to get better at French too. If you like the idea, there's no reason not to spend some time learning it.
Because it draws from the French dictionary, it's a fully functional language right out of the box. People may laugh at it, but a lot of people can read it a prime vista.
I did not succeed in speaking this (by voice) with another person, but there's always the next time to try that.
It also included a few features that might seem useful for other projects, but that I have not really seen anybody try to implement.
I said it deserved to sit on the dusty shelf, but this doesn't mean that it couldn't work. I am also convinced that people fuss way to much about the details of what an Auxlang should be like. In the end, the form of the language doesn't really matter. If it ever were to become official, it would certainly work.
Especially if the language was slowly made independent of its source languages. People laughed at Europanto (they were supposed to - it was a joke) but most auxlangs are just Europanto in disguise.
Somebody said this to me. It's so true. Anglo-Franca is not a serious business language. It's something fun that people can do to help make the world a linguistically smaller place.
I'm not quitting Anglo-Franca. I've just decided to stop counting the days.