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Image 1 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future
Image 2 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future
Image 3 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future
Image 4 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future
Image 5 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future
Image 6 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future
Image 7 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future
Image 8 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future
Image 9 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future
Image 10 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future
Image 11 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future
Image 12 — If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future

If Black Americans surrender ownership of the American story someone else will redefine both our past and our future

Every generation of Black Americans has had the right to criticize this country.

Most of our ancestors earned that right through slavery, emancipation, Reconstruction, military service, civil rights activism, and generations of labor. But they criticized America because they believed they had a claim on it and not because they rejected it. Thats true for us today as descendants to have that right. For example, people here instead of the US flag use the Black American Heritage flag which is fine, but that's not what these articles are pushing. They weren’t fighting to become less American in fact they were forcing America to recognize what was already theirs.

What concerns me today is not that criticism but the gradual replacement of the Freedmen story with broader narratives that treat Black Americans as perpetual outsiders or simply part of a global African diaspora. Just because some don't "celebrate" Independence Day, doesn't mean we disassociate with America entirely. Personally I think we should, to celebrate our achievements as well, especially after Reconstruction.

When our history is reframed this way, we risk losing something bigger than symbolism because we give up our inheritance. We exchange the story of a people who built, defended, and transformed the United States for one in which we’re merely observers deciding whether America deserves us.

While descendants of immigrants proudly wrap themselves in the American flag, pursue the American Dream, adopt our identity, and build political and economic influence here, some descendants of American Freedmen are increasingly encouraged to view the country primarily as something to reject rather than something they have an ownership stake in. We're instead told "Immigrants built America" and the Statue of Liberty is for immigrants. Both are now altered Black American origin narratives.

For example, now is the time of year we all see Fredrick Douglass' quote, but of course its heavily omitted and forgets the ending:

>"Allow me to say, in conclusion, notwithstanding the dark picture I have this day presented of the state of the nation, I do not despair of this country. There are forces in operation, which must inevitably work the downfall of slavery. 'The arm of the Lord is not shortened, and the doom of slavery is certain. I, therefore, leave off where I began, with hope. While drawing encouragement from the Declaration of Independence, the great principles it contains, and the genius of American institutions, my spirit is also cheered by the obvious tendencies of the age!"

My concern is that some modern narratives replace the unique history of Black Americans (the Freedmen lineage) with a broader Pan-African or diaspora identity that isn’t the same historical experience. That shift can blur the distinct story of our people whose families endured slavery, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, and the long fight for citizenship on this soil.

Our ancestors weren’t asking to stop being American. Even Malcolm X not once draped himself in the Pan African flag, because they demanded America live up to its own promises. That’s a very different message than treating the flag or the country as something that can never belong to us. Its ok to disagree with aligning with the colonizers, but to give up and "be African" is not the typical sentiment.

We aren’t guests here. We aren’t deciding whether to join America. We helped build it, but of course that's lost on people who either want to go to Africa (Pan Africanists) or just came from Africa (Immigrants), either way no stake in the game.

Our inheritance isn’t to renounce the country, it is to claim our place in it and hold it accountable to its founding ideals as our ancestors did. For the articles, each one I saw today and researched. They're al by Pan Africanists or immigrants: Bolarinwa Oladeji (The Grio "Black American's Don't Display the American Flag"), Aswad Walker ("A provocative take for America's 250th birthday"), the two Africans Mamdani & John Mahama at our ancestors burial grounds, the Somalis at the Puttus Bridge...

So this is my concern, bots or paid actors pushing the agenda that Black Americans aren't Americans, "We African" meanwhile, those immigrants are taking our history as a vehicle for their benefits back in Africa or whatever. Again, I'm not saying I'm praising Washington but at the same time I'm not leaving the door open for outsiders to completely push me out either. It's just a weird movement or agenda going on right now. I also don't have a problem with immigrants, just the ones involved in the agendas doing this. What are walls opinions?

u/wordsbyink — 3 days ago

4th of July

The Juneteenth talk was dry so I thought I make another go at this. What y’all got planned this weekend for the 4th and do y’all celebrate it at all. Being here since before we had independence (both from Britain and from slavery) I use this as a teaching tool for my kids. A lesson of principal and endurance and Black ppl and a country. Unlike some of the ppl in this sub I am a proud American and I view the US experiment as a means to study ppl and cultures mix and evolve over time. The constitution is not a perfect document but I think it’s pretty crazy tht every freedom advancement tht everyone has had in this country stems from it. Each amendment is only allowed as “clarification” not necessary a rewrite. The idea is it’s our job as citizens to mold our government into wat we want it to be will not infringing on individual freedoms. And because of that we grilling dancing and lightin up the sky. Because even if Black ppl weren’t all free in 1776 we were instrumental to every aspect of this country from the beginning.

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u/Emotional-Educator40 — 7 days ago

Louisiana State Seal, Gullah Geechee Flag/Seal & The Great Seal of Soulaan

One thing I’ve found interesting is how different historically rooted communities in the United States are increasingly expressing their peoplehood through symbols, seals, flags, and discussions of indigeneity or autochthony.
For example:
Louisiana Creoles have published scholarship discussing Louisiana Creole Peoplehood, Afro-Indigeneity, and community formation.
Gullah Geechee people have long described themselves as an indigenous ethnic group of the Sea Islands, with scholars pointing to centuries of continuous historical, cultural, and ecological development in their homeland.
Soulaan is using the language of autochthony, emphasizing historical continuity, institutions, culture, and peoplehood that developed within the land now called the United States.
Whether people agree with every framework or not, it’s interesting to watch communities move beyond broad racial labels and articulate their identities through concepts like:
historical continuity
homeland
peoplehood
institutions
ecological relationships
language traditions
cultural development
The symbols themselves also reflect this.
The Louisiana seal centers Louisiana’s own historic identity.
The Gullah Geechee seal uses imagery connected to the Sea Islands and their community.
The Great Seal of Soulaan emphasizes homeland through the tree, water, indigo, and landscape rather than race alone.
To me, this reflects a broader conversation taking place across the United States: communities defining themselves not only by ancestry, but by long-term historical development within particular homelands.
I’m curious what others think.
Do you see autochthony, indigeneity, and peoplehood as distinct concepts, or do you think they overlap when discussing historically continuous communities in the United States?

u/Dcole9206 — 9 days ago

A people were formed on U.S. soil

Soulaan is not a dispersion. We are not amalgamated, and we are not admixed.
Soul Food and every recipe are ours.
Hip Hop is solely a Soulaan creation.
Jazz, Soul Music, R&B, Gospel, and House are solely our creations. Every accomplishment and invention is ours. We had no assistance in the formation of our ethnic group socially, ecologically, or psychologically. Everything that happened to us came from U.S. soil. We did not all come from the Southeast, either. We were on this entire landmass the whole time.

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u/Dcole9206 — 11 days ago