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Manusmriti : a corrupted lawbook or an authentic scripture misunderstood?

Introduction

The manusmriti is one of the most divisive topics when it comes to hindu scriptures. Even the mere mention of its name is sure to cause some argument. The most common allegations levied against in successive order are :

  1. It is only a law book, not a religious scripture
  2. Even if it is a scripture, it has been corrupted
  3. Even if it is preserved , it is no longer applicable to the current age.

In that order.

These allegations are merely the symptoms, and not the actual cause of opposing manusmriti. The actual reason people resort to finding such pathways to attempt to discredit the manusmriti in the first place are the following allegations :

  1. It is discriminatory to women

  2. It is discriminatory to lower castes

We will look at all these allegations one by one

1. Manusmriti is not a religious scripture

In this regard the only evidence can be other scriptures themselves. If the other hindu scriptures attest the manusmriti as an authentic scripture, then it must be considered so. So do other scriptures mention manusmriti? And if so, how?

The first pramāṇa I will mention from the vedas themselves, which are supreme authority for a hindu.

Yajurveda, taittiriya brāhmaṇa , 2:2:10:2

मानवी ऋचौ धाय्ये कुर्याद् यद् वै किं च मनुर् अवदत् तद् भेषजम्।

" He should apply the verses of manu, (for) Verily, whatever manu has declared, is medicine."

This should, in and of itself , be sufficient to prove manusmriti as a religious scripture. Even still, to demonstrate the level of authority of manusmriti further, we will see there references in rāmāyaṇa and mahābhārata

श्रूयते मनुना गीतौ श्लोकौ चारित्रवत्सलौ।

गृहीतौ धर्मकुशलैस्तत्तथा चरितं हरे ।।

(Vālmiki 4.18.31)

Rama said :

" I have acted according to These verses , which were declared by manu, and are the progenitors of Good character, and accepted by those versed in dharma. "

he then goes on to directly quote manusmriti 8.316 and 8.318.

the manusmriti is also quoted in the Mahābhārata 15+ times with direct reference as an authoritative text. The following is a list of verses in the critical edition \[BORI CE\] of such verses : (1.69.18) , (3:36:20) , (3:117:30), (12.21.12) ,(12.37.6) , (12:55:17), (12:96:14) , (12:256:5) , (12:259:35) , (13:17:17), (13:44:17) , (13.67.30) , (13:88:4), (13:116:12), (13:116:50). In the southern recension, there are more such verses.

There are references to manusmriti as an authoritative text in purāṇas as well, but for the sake of brevity I am omitting it.

In conclusion, every single scripture, Be it vedas, rāmāyaṇa , mahābhārata, purāṇas, etc, mention manusmriti as a highly authoritative and divine scripture, not merely a law book.

Thus, manusmriti is an authoritative scripture of hinduism.

2. Manusmriti is curropted

Once one has admitted that manusmriti is infact an authentic scripture, then comes the doubt whether the manusmriti we have today is the same one as the original scripture which has been referred to in the vedas. In this regard I would raise a few points.

(I) Cross textual attestation

vast majority of verses quoted in the manusmriti are also found in other scriptures, such as Mahābhārata & Rāmāyaṇa (as shown), other smritis , griha sūtras, dharmasūtras, etc. if you go down on the wisdomlib section of any manusmriti verse, you will find a " comparative notes " section, where you can see such verses . So if a person were to interpolate manusmriti, he would also have had to interpolate these verses simultaneously in 2-3 other texts, which is absurd.

(II) Manuscriptural stability

Secondly, we see that a lot of ancient texts have regional recensions. The mahabharata , for example, has dozens of regional variants, each differing by tens of thousands of verses , this is because India is simply so large that even if someone can interpolate a text in one region, that interpolation will not necessarily reach the other regions. We can find the original text by eliminating the verses that are only in some regional recensions and not others . This is not seen in the manusmriti. There are no competing short and long recensions for it. Manuscripts show the same text with minor variation. the scholar P.V. Kane writes , citing Dr. Julius Jolly ,

"The extant Manusmrti is divided into twelve adhyAyas and contains 2694 slokas. Dr. Jolly’s edition ( published in 1895 ) prepared after collating numerous mss. and printed editions contains only one Sloka more. " [ History of dharmaśāstras , pg.140 ]

Further, he concludes, based on attestation of manusmriti by various texts and authors, that the version we have now is at the very least around 2 thousand years old, and most probably older.

" The foregoing discussion of the external evidence shows that writers from the 2nd century onwards (if not earlier) looked upon the extant Manusmrti as the most authoritative smrti. This position it could not have attained unless several centuries intervened between it and these writers. Therefore it must be presumed that the Manusmrti had attained its present form at least before the first century A. D." [ History of dharmaśāstras , pg.154]

Notably, there are over 8 commentaries on the manusmriti, from various regions of India including medhātithi, kullūka, bhāruci, etc. And all these commentaries commentate on the same text with very minor variation, which clearly indicates the preservation of the text.

Even besides western scholarship, it should be our firm conviction that there are no interpolations in our scriptures. To admit even one verse of interpolation puts into doubt the authenticity of each and every scripture, and it undermines the entire religion.

Thus**, manusmriti is uncurropted.**

3. Manusmriti is no longer applicable

The manusmriti itself states in multiple verses \[(4:168) , (7.18), (9.64), (10.7) \] that it's injunctions are sanātana ( eternal). So if one has conceded the previous 2 points, this point is automatically debunked.

An argument often cited in this regard is that the smriti ordained for kaliyuga is the parāśara smriti. This is correct, however, if one is trying to discredit manusmriti because of certain passages in it he doesn't like it, he won't have much to benefit from this, because the vast majority of parāśara smriti is the same as manu. The differences are very minor. Secondly, just because parāśara smriti is especially ordained for kaliyuga does not mean that manusmriti is invalid in kaliyuga. It just means that parāśara smriti is a little better suited for kaliyugis.

Thus , manusmriti is still applicable in kaliyuga

4. It is discriminatory to women

Manusmriti infact tells us to revere / worship women, as it states

यत्र नार्यस्तु पूज्यन्ते रमन्ते तत्र देवताः ।

यत्रैतास्तु न पूज्यन्ते सर्वास्तत्राफलाः क्रियाः ।।  \[ 6:56]

" Where women are worshipped , there the gods rejoice. Where they are not worshippped, there, all deeds and rites are fruitless. "

Manusmriti also does not mention barbaric practices like sati, and infact opposes it ,

5.155

कामं तु क्षपयेद् देहं पुष्पमूलफलैः शुभैः ।

न तु नामापि गृह्णीयात् पत्यौ प्रेते परस्य तु ॥ १५५ ॥

" \[ After her husband dies\] If she wishes, she may emaciate her body by living on auspicious flowers ,roots and fruits, but she should not even take the name of another man. "

Medhātithi, the most authentic commentator on the manusmriti, writes on this verse ,

From this it is clear that the act of killing herself after her husband is clearly forbidden for the woman . Further, in view of the distinct Vedic text—‘one shall not die before the span of his life is run out'’ —being contradicted by the Smṛti-text of Aṅgiras, this latter is open to bring assumed to have some other meaning. . "

Thus, the manusmriti is not discriminatory to women.

5 . It is discriminatory to śūdras

This is by far the most common allegation levied against the manusmriti. If you ask any random person on the street what they know about manusmriti, this is most likely what they will tell you. The verses most commonly used to paint this narrative are verses like (8.273), which says that if a śūdra arrogantly attempts to lecture a brahmin on his duty, then oil should be poured in his mouth , or if he hears the veda intentionally trying to memorise it then molten lac should be poured in his ears ( 2.272), etc. within these verses and those like it there are 2 things that offend them. Firstly, that there is a punishment for such an action at all, and secondly, that the punishment itself is so severe. Lets see both objections.

Firstly, the restrictions themselves are, seen for themselves, fairly reasonable. Ofcourse, a brāhmaṇa, who has his whole life studied scripture, should not be arrogantly lectured by a śūdra ( though the śūdra may politely correct him). Ofcourse, the vedas , being the most sacred texts and capable of producing results by their utterance alone , should only be recited with absolutely correct pronounciation and intonation or else there will be adverse results ( see the story of vṛtra and " indrashatru" ) , and hence a śūdra should not attempt to listen to it for memorisation without properly being initiated into its study ( in which case he will become a brāhmaṇa).

Note that such restrictions are quite cherry-picked, and in general throughout the manusmriti, it is the upper 3 varṇas, especially the brāhmaṇas, who are most restricted, and the śūdras have the least restrictions. the brāhmaṇas are forbidden from smelling at or eating or drinking or going to places many other things which are not at all restricted for the śūdra the list is simply so vast that it is difficult to choose what to mention.

In theft, the manusmriti states

अष्टापाद्यं तु शूद्रस्य स्तेये भवति किल्बिषम् ।

षोडशैव तु वैश्यस्य द्वात्रिंशत् क्षत्रियस्य च ॥ ३३७ ॥

ब्राह्मणस्य चतुःषष्टिः पूर्णं वाऽपि शतं भवेत् ।

द्विगुणा वा चतुःषष्टिस्तद्दोषगुणविद्द् हि सः ॥ ३३८ ॥

In the case of theft, the guilt of a Śūdra is eightfold, that of the Vaiśya sixteen-fold, and that of the Kṣatriya thirty-two-fold;—(337) that of the Brāhmaṇa sixty-four-fold, or fully hundred-fold, or twice sixty-four-fold; when he is cognisant of the good or bad quality of the act.—(338)

 

Secondly, Regarding the severity of the punishments , note that such punishments are mere \*arthavāda\* or meant to inspire people to do good or avoid bad. For example, it is said that when one circumambulates a temple, each step he takes is equal to an aśvamedha yajña. Does that mean if one takes 100 steps he is eligible to become the next indra ( śatakratu)? No . Similarly, in the manusmriti itself , it is stated ,

सुरां पीत्वा द्विजो मोहादग्निवर्णां सुरां पिबेत् ।

तया स काये निर्दग्धे मुच्यते किल्बिषात् ततः ॥ ९० ॥

A twice-born person, having, through folly, drunk wine, shall drink wine red-hot , he becomes freed from his guilt, when his body has been completely burnt by it—(11:90)

So, such punishments are not only for śūdras, but in general the punishments of the manusmriti are quite strict, simply because their main purpose was preventative . Pretty much never were these punishments actually put to practice.

Thus, the manusmriti is not discriminatory to śūdras

u/savage-shukla — 1 day ago
▲ 246 r/brahmanclub+1 crossposts

Look at how a Brahmin showing Hindu unity by defining it as a Hindu culture ❤️

Brahmins are always for Hinduism 🕉️

u/Fit-52 — 4 days ago

Peak BrahmanWaad🚩 IPS Veerendra Mishra Saves 5000 Girls from Prostitution

When IPS officer Veerendra Mishra visited Bedia villages in Madhya Pradesh, he saw young girls trapped in a generations-old cycle of s*x work.

Instead of looking away, he spent years building trust, helping families access basic facilities, and encouraging children toward education.

Today, over 5,000 children have received support to build a different future.

Source: 30 Stades, India.com

#shethepeople

u/Biritsh-Agent-Bhim — 3 days ago

Peak Brahminism at a time of Pandit Nehru

Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru: The first Prime Minister of India.

Pandit Narottam Lal Joshi: The first Speaker of the Rajasthan Legislative Assembly, serving from 1952 to 1957.

Pt .Jainarayan Vyas: The third Chief Minister of Rajasthan, who held office twice between 1951 and 1954.

u/Bhojpuriya_babhan — 4 days ago

Brahman♠️Sarojini Naidu Scored Highest Marks in Class 12th when Fake Feminist Ambedkar was born. So called women rights activist

Ambedkar used his castes and other SCs for his personal gains

u/Biritsh-Agent-Bhim — 5 days ago

The Relationship between Pandit Nehru and British Swine (Nehru Published these cartoons)

These Cartoons were published in Nehru's rule

u/Biritsh-Agent-Bhim — 4 days ago

Model Milind Soman (Chitpawan) joins Pushkar Mishra in his fight to save 500 years old Tulsi Das Akhada from Bhim Lover Neela Nath Authorities in Varanasi UP

Milind Soman is a prominent Indian supermodel, actor, film producer, and endurance athlete widely celebrated as India’s first male supermodel. He rose to iconic status in 1995 after starring in Alisha Chinai's breakout pop music video, Made in India. Today, at 60 years old, Soman is globally recognised for redefining disciplined aging, advocate-driven wellness, and extraordinary physical endurance. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

🏃‍♂️ Major Career Milestones

  • Modeling Pioneer: Dominating the Indian fashion industry in the early 1990s, he effectively established the concept of commercial male modeling in the country.
  • Television & Film Acting: He made his acting debut in India's first English-language TV series A Mouthful of Sky (1995) and gained mass popularity in the sci-fi hit Captain Vyom. His prominent film roles include Bajirao Mastani (2015) and the international historical epic Arn: The Knight Templar (2007).
  • Author: Soman chronicled his evolution from an agile national-level swimmer to an elite endurance athlete in his co-authored memoir, Made in India: A Memoir. [1, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9]

🏊‍♂️ Legendary Fitness & Athletic Feats

Soman has shifted away from mainstream entertainment to champion a movement focused on functional fitness and minimalist running. [3, 4]

  • Ironman & Ultraman Titles: He completed the grueling Ironman Triathlon at age 50 and went on to conquer the extreme three-day Ultraman challenge.
  • Strait of Gibraltar Swim (May 2026): Soman completed a 15-kilometre open-water swim across the perilous Strait of Gibraltar, crossing from Tarifa, Spain, to the coast of Morocco in freezing temperatures.
  • Social Fitness Initiatives: He is the founder of the Pinkathon, which stands as India's largest running event dedicated entirely to women's health and breast cancer awareness. [4, 10, 11, 12, 13]

🥗 Lifestyle & Health Philosophy

Soman’s approach to health focuses heavily on intuitive movement and simple, unprocessed living rather than standard gym culture. [11, 14]

  • No Conventional Gyms: Soman exercises for just 10 to 15 minutes daily at home, prioritizing natural physical activities like trail hiking, swimming, and barefoot running.
  • Clean & Heavy Fruit Diet: He avoids ultra-processed foods, carbonated soft drinks, artificial supplements, and cold water. He kicks off his mornings with large quantities of seasonal, whole fruits.
  • Consistent Routine: He advocates for a relaxed but non-negotiable sleep schedule, avoiding late-night commitments to preserve systemic recovery. [3, 11, 14]

👥 Personal Life

Soman was born in Scotland and spent his early childhood in England before his family relocated to India. He is married to fitness enthusiast Ankita Konwar, whom he wed in April 2018. The couple frequently inspires fans across social media platforms like the Milind Soman Instagram Page by participating in marathons, ultra-walks, and high-altitude climbs together. [3, 6, 8, 15, 16]

If you would like to know more about Milind Soman, tell me if you are looking for:

  • Specific details on his diet plan or daily exercise routine
  • A breakdown of his best movies and television shows
  • Information on how to participate in his upcoming Pinkathon running events

Sources:

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org

[2] https://desiyup.com

[3] https://www.instagram.com

[4] https://www.instagram.com

[5] https://indianexpress.com

[6] https://www.imdb.com

[7] https://in.bookmyshow.com

[8] https://www.imdb.com

[9] https://books.google.com

[10] https://books.google.com

[11] https://food.ndtv.com

[12] https://x.com

[13] https://www.gettyimages.com

[14] https://www.youtube.com

[15] https://www.instagram.com

[16] https://www.facebook.com

u/Biritsh-Agent-Bhim — 5 days ago

The Sound of Brahmans Chanting Mantras 🗣️ I'm Blessed to be part of this.... I'm blessed to be An ACE ♠️

This is BrahmanClub & I am A Brahman♠️

Brahmans have historically been viewed as the custodians of Sanatana Dharma, protecting it through a lifestyle of self-sacrifice, rigorous discipline, and the preservation of Vedic knowledge, rather than through military power. Their "blood and sweat" often refers to the intense mental and physical austerity (tapas) required to keep traditions alive. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Here is how Brahmans protected dharma through sacrifice:

  1. The "Sweat": Preservation of Knowledge and Rituals
  • Oral Tradition Preservation: For thousands of years, Brahmans memorized the Vedas with precise intonation, maintaining knowledge without relying on written records. This required lifelong, rigorous study and mental discipline, often while living in poverty.
  • Adherence to Vows (Tapas): Traditionally, Brahmans followed strict ethical and lifestyle codes—eschewing excessive wealth, eating only what was necessary, and performing daily prayers (Sandhyas) to keep the "roots" of Vedic tradition alive.
  • Ritual Maintenance: Brahmans served as priests in temples and at home, performing daily and occasional rituals (yagnas) to ensure the social and cosmic order was maintained.
  • Educational Leadership: They maintained the Guru-Shishya Parampara (teacher-disciple tradition), passing knowledge to the next generation without charging fees, which was seen as a service to society rather than a profession. [2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10]
  1. The "Blood": Sacrifice and Protection Against Adversity
  • Cultural Resistance: During centuries of foreign rule and ideological shifts (such as the rise of Buddhism and later, the influence of Islam and Christianity), Brahmins played a key role in preserving the Hindu way of life. They maintained the Vedic tradition and temple worship against pressures to convert or abandon their faith.
  • Sacrificing Life for Others: Scriptural texts mention that a Brahman was considered purified if they sacrificed their life while protecting a cow or another Brahman from danger.
  • Sacrifice of Ego: The "Brahman" is often described as one who has expanded their mind and, therefore, must work to eliminate their own ego to serve the community, as described by Devdutt Pattanaik, Mumbai Mirror.
  • The Symbolism of Sacrifice: The Purushamedha (human sacrifice ritual) described in the Yajur Veda is believed by many scholars to be a symbolic sacrifice of a person's attachments and desires rather than a literal killing, according to Wikipedia. [6, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15]
  1. Guiding Rulers and Protecting Society
  • Political Advising (Rajpurohit): Brahmins acted as advisors to kings, ensuring that the state was governed according to Dharma. Examples include Chanakya guiding Chandragupta Maurya and Samartha Ramdas Swami guiding Chhatrapati Shivaji, notes the Sanatan Sanstha.
  • Establishing Monastic Order: Adi Shankaracharya established four Mathas in the four corners of India to protect the cultural and religious unity of the nation, as highlighted by Sanatan Sanstha.

Sources:

[1] https://www.sanatan.org/en/a/108028.html

[2] https://www.facebook.com/groups/Periyavaa/posts/24786168401024955/

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUSUNHWOWos

[4] https://www.facebook.com/Jagadeesh.Varma.P/posts/respect-the-people-who-protected-knowledge-for-generationsmany-brahmin-families-/3411793215658471/

[5] https://learn.antaryogfoundation.in/p/donate-brahmans-sanyasis

[6] https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-role-of-Brahmins-in-protecting-Hinduism-during-the-rule-of-Buddhists-Muslims-and-Christians-in-India

[7] https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUQrjYQDHXs/

[8] https://www.facebook.com/groups/3150291678605051/posts/3746695872297959/

[9] https://www.facebook.com/groups/VEDICS/posts/3883870715197787/

[10] https://shakdwipi.com/education-and-scholarship-how-brahmins-shaped-indias-learning-culture/

[11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purushamedha

[12] https://www.swaminarayan.faith/scriptures/en/satsangi-jeevan/prakran-5/44

[13] https://vedkabhed.com/index.php/2014/02/16/purushamedha-the-human-sacrifice/

[14] https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-role-of-the-Brahmin-community-in-preserving-our-holy-texts-during-Mughals-and-when-foreigners-attacked-India

[15] https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/opinion/columnists/devdutt-pattanaik/the-curious-case-of-brahmins/articleshow/68027808.html

[16] https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/hinduism-and-the-ethics-of-warfare-in-south-asia/religious-ethics-and-the-philosophy-of-warfare-in-vedic-and-epic-india/44B26A26975DEF0C1899A52BF2362A4E

[17] https://lubin.academic.wlu.edu/files/2023/07/Lubin-2023-Brahmin-Felon-final-accepted-version.pdf

[18] https://www.levelupias.com/vedantic-acharya/

u/Biritsh-Agent-Bhim — 5 days ago

Shudra community of Bihar aka Bhumihar ( chumi Haar) also wannna be babhan now mocking a babhan irony

In Bihar east up Jharkhand babhan = Brahman

u/Fit-52 — 8 days ago

Why are Brahmins not united as a tight-knit community

If we look around the world right now, we see the Jewish community as very tight-knit and loyal to one another. The same can be said about some other denominations.

The GoI has laid down a framework of systematic discrimination against people of our community. We have to struggle the most to get seats in colleges, government jobs and so.

Look at this absolute joke of fees in IITs

IIT fees for different categories

With so much hatred and oppression against the Brahmin community, when Lalu's slogan was literally 'bhura baal saaf karo', bhu - bhumihar, ra - rajput, ba - brahmin, l - lala, how is it that we haven't developed organized groups for self-help and intra-community bonding to rise despite the challenging situations put forth against us.

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u/femboys_for_life — 6 days ago

Very Inspiring view of a courtroom in UP under the leadership of Bhim Lover Neela Nath

Bhim Lover Neela Nath promises 500 Cr for Ambedkar statue

u/Biritsh-Agent-Bhim — 5 days ago