r/cloti

Just to be clear, I am a full supporter of Cloti so this is not for arguing against the fact that I believe Cloti to be the only romance that makes sense for the overall story and character writing.

BUT I just don't understand or can't come up with a good explanation as to why he asks that question about Aerith to Tifa during their date, and it does annoy me.

Why did the devs put that there? I understand why it exists in the Aerith date but why is it there for his date with Tifa?

I mean this in the sense that both are so fundamentally inseparable that these stories would be impossible without them being in love. To explain what i mean, casca is the only person that wards off the darkest part of his personality that manifest in the beast of darkness, if we were to hypothetically say that she died during the eclipse than there would be absolutely nothing stopping guts from completely succumbing to his jungian shadow. While yes, he did go after revenge post eclipse he eventually was reminded of how selfish he is by godo for not being there for her and rickert in the most difficult of times, he changed his ways, from that point onward he decided to do anything that would even resemble a chance of restoring her mind. On the other hand, Tifa is inseparable from cloud (and quite obviously in a romantic manner, this shouldn't be up to discussion but alas) because she is the only remaining part of his life before his mind was wiped. ONLY Tifa can know who the real Cloud is, that is why she is the only one capable of repairing his mind in the lifestream, because the entire reason that Cloud was on the journey to become a SOLDIER is precisely to impress Tifa and because of the promise he made to her, quite literally, Tifa is what makes him whole in the end brings out his truest self, we see this not only with her saving him in the already mentioned lifestream sequence but during the entirety of both the OG games and the remakes too, you can tell that he feels more comfortable with being himself around her compared to everyone else (we see this in the high affection hug sequence in the first part of the remake, where his true self is there just for a moment when he comforts her). So while yes, Aerith dying did install crippling depression and A LOT of guilt into cloud, Tifa dying in her stead hypothetically would absolutely break him, because, in a way, Tifa is A PART of Cloud.

Anyway, thank you for listening to my TED talk i just had this on my mind

- Spoilers Ahead for OG FF7-

I don't know if I am looking at this in a very biased way since for me Cloud & Tifa and Zack & Aerith made sense right away as the main couples of the story (I played FF7R before the OG FF7 & Crisis Core).

But I have been thinking, just to understand the other side of the discussion, what it would mean for the characters if the story went the Cloud & Aerith route and in my opinion it would ruin Cloud entirely as a character because of several things but mainly this point:

- Cloud is a loyal guy, who cares about people he loves so much that he gets traumatized when something happens to them, and he is extrenely guilt ridden when he is involved in anything tragic happening to people he loves. We know that Cloud will figure out what happened with Zack's death, and remember everything about Zack dating Aerith and being "head over heels" for Aerith before his death, and how he basically died to save Cloud and left him his legacy and all that. And then let's suppose he decides to be with Aerith despite of all these , let's imagine that somehow Aerith returns : this would go against everything Cloud is, values, believes in. It would be against everything his character represents. He would be backstabbing his best friend that sacrificed his life to save him, and steal the girl he was in love with. How does anyone who play this game think this is a good logical option for the story and the characters beats me. Yes, love can be illogical but love does not change people's personalities entirely unless they were like this to begin with. And we know from the snippets of Cloud's past, that he is not a character that would do something like this.

And even for the whole story, it would be such an ugly conclusion.

Am I just too biased in my view? Or do others see what I mean?

I keep reading speculation that Zack & Aerith are going to show up in the >!Lifestream Sequence Scene!<

How likely do you think that will be?

Personally I’d be very pissed off if that happened, fhey already ruined >!Aerith’s death scene!<

The LSS segment with Cloud & Tifa is one of my favorite scenes in the OG FF7, and I’m really hoping they do it justice.

Thoughts?

Cloud left Nibelheim because of the promise he made to Tifa which resulted in him meeting Zack and later resulted in his memories being scrambled which led to the beginning of the game. I don’t know how someone ignores all that just so they can ship him with a girl he just met or someone else.

Was just having a good time reading through this subreddit and I decided to go have a peek at how the CAs are doing over on their subreddit and one of the running theories is that in revelation instead of tifa being the one to help cloud piece his mind back together, it will be aerith and zack, and i just cant believe that they are still so obsessed with pushing the idea that the plan for revelation is to have aerith take over tifas role like what...

what are your thoughts on the theory?

I recently finished the game and im not trying cause war or anything i went with tifa for romances and i was kinda convinced that she was canon but then the last date and all that aerith dying stuff, i started have some doubt on how aerith might be more canon, however i think this is probably bc more of her screentime and stuff so idk, is there anything we can hope for in the next part that tifa and cloud might have some more developments?