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Nick is the only character who becomes MORE EVIL as seasons go by
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Nick is the only character who becomes MORE EVIL as seasons go by

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For all of the people who think that NIck chose Gilead because he no longer had June and he had no other choice....The rebellion would have been the perfect time to get Rose and their son and take them out of Gilead. If he had stayed at the hospital with Rose when the plane blew up, Nick could have made a deal with the Americans: immunity in exchange for working with Mayday. Rose would have had to agree because she didn't have anyone else with her dad dead. He could have gotten them all out and been free. But, then he would have just been a regular guy with a family struggling to survive. He chose comfort and power over freedom and morality. Now, Rose and their baby are in the hands of the Americans anyway and they have no one.

He was involved in overthrow of the US Government. This was made clear in an earlier season. He was an eye and then a commander. He never turned in Commander Waterford for his perverted ways and instead asked for a transfer to the front. He killed a 19 year old brain damaged guardian, he had earlier shot, in cause he recovered enough to identify him. He had numerous opportunities to leave Gilead, but as we heard him tell June, he would have been an Uber driver or delivery person if not for Gilead. Choosing Gilead was his way of elevating himself in life. He made a series of choices that led to his final choice. He made his final choice joining the other commanders going to DC to discuss what actions Gilead would take after the rebellion in Boston. Somethings Nick did we liked, like helping June and providing info on Hannah, but less we forget, he even originally hid his marriage from June. The first choice he made to support Gilead in the overthrow on the US Government, he never said he regretted. June and Hannah and so many others were casualties of that choice.

u/Enough-Reading4143 — 2 days ago

Commander that was mentioned start of E9

At the start of ep 9, Aunt Lydia was looking at a file and referred to the Commander who hasn’t made a match this year. Who was this Commander and had we seen him previously? Was this the old man who got Becca drunk? >! Will she be made to marry him now perhaps? Since she chose Garth and he’s now off the table , that might be part of her punishment ? !<

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u/alannacoke — 2 days ago

The Testaments S1 E09 "Marat Sade" Episode Discussion

The Testaments S1 E09 "Marat Sade"

As Daisy steps into a new role, she considers what she's willing to lose to help her friends.

Airdate: May 20th, 2026

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u/Melairia — 2 days ago

Knowing what we know now. .

So we now know when Agnes confronts Garth and asks where “she” is and “I could hear her screaming” in the season sneak peek that she was referring to Becka.

I have a couple of theories for the rest of the season:

- Aunts took Becka, not Eyes, peep the dresses. I think Mackenzie did Becka a favor and either Paula doesn’t know it wasn’t Eyes or she does and she’s pissed about how this could screw up her standing in Gilead, aka the “what did you do?” Moment in the season sneak peek. That doesn’t mean that this is Aunt training, though. This could still be punishment by the Aunts. Becka could say she has a divine calling due to her comments after murdering her father, maybe she is being put through some things by the Aunts as a test to see if she stands by what she says before officially becoming an Aunt in training.

- Whether or not she becomes an Aunt yet is unclear, which makes me wonder if Becka could become the Mackenzie’s handmaid as the true breaking point for Agnes.

- I’m also starting to become suspicious of Paula and her motivations. It would not surprise me if the show takes a turn and she murders Mackenzie and blames the Marthas, which would be another thing that breaks Agnes down, as she has such a loving relationship with them. If Becka as a handmaid is what makes Agnes rebel and she is no longer eligible to be wed on top of her father’s murder, maybe Paula takes her place, or she ends up with Maddox. I lean towards Weston though, it felt like there was some tension between them that could be sexual. Maybe she intended to kill Mackenzie down the line and he Agnes so that they could end up together, but Agnes being ineligible speeds up the process, thus putting a twist on her story in the book.

- Definitely feels like Daisy and Garth are going to be matched now and Garth is going to have a hard time reeling in Daisy’s anger and vengeful streak, much like June and Nick.

- Which, given Daisy’s antics, I’m really thinking Daisy is still Nichole, idc. Who’s to say Nichole didn’t end up with the caregivers she did because Holly was too old to care for her or she died?

EDIT: scratch my Daisy ➡️ Nichole mention. I am constantly forgetting her TV show age vs the book.

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u/dynamitecait — 2 days ago

“Sketch us!” in The Testaments 1x09

When Shu said to Jehosheba, “Sketch us, it’ll last longer!” lolllll she is so funny. I love her.

But for real. It’s intriguing to imagine colloquialisms becoming watered down and morphed to fit Gileadian society and what is allowed depending on position. We know photographs are allowed for special occasions but that sketching is accessible to the girls as a “hobby” - although photography would never be. À la, Jehosheba couldn’t take a picture, even thought they do have them. But she could sketch them!

Funny. Great acting from the girls this week! This episode had my eyes wide and my back off my chair the whole time.

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u/emiibry — 2 days ago
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Rita dressed as a wife in Serena's wedding!

I think she was going out of her way to fit in, to try to her get family out

I think it's an in-between shade between the Marthas and Wives, and also she was sitting right in between them

u/Enough-Reading4143 — 3 days ago

My updated unhinged predictions after that absolute mind fuck of an episode!!! 😭

Again these are just theories/predictions for FUN before anyone gets triggered. Some are more plausible than others. Some are me coping. Some are me being unhinged. Let me LIVE… and if you only have snark, just continue scrolling. Otherwise, lemme know what you think!!!

  1. Agnes

I’m even MORE convinced now that Agnes is not going to immediately become some flawless rebel heroine who suddenly rejects Gilead overnight. McKenzie just threw the Eyes onto her BECKA. Whatever lingering fantasy she (and any of you all) had about “good” powerful men protecting people is cracking. 😭
What does she actually have to survive Gilead besides proximity to power? Weston. Status. Marriage. Whatever little influence she can get by attaching herself to a powerful WESTON.

So yes, I absolutely think we’re entering Agnes’s powerful wife era before her eventual awakening. Not evil forever. Not Serena 2.0 permanently. But a traumatised, indoctrinated girl learning how power works and potentially using it to survive, protect herself, maybe even protect others aka her BECKA. Which is WAY more interesting and believable than instant MayDay heiress.

  1. Daisy
    I love you Daisy but GIRL YOU ARE NOT A GOOD SPY 😭 I mean, I can’t even blame you. You were thrown into Gilead w no military training whatsoever let alone a developed frontal cortex.

She’s brave, loyal… but she acts first and thinks later. I totally understand why she did what she did for her friends and I’m not judging her morally at all, but resistance in Gilead requires calculation too. I think episode 10 and season two is going to humble her hard and teach her that impulsiveness can get MayDay destroyed waaaaaay before the bringing down of Gilead and the bastards.

  1. Garth
    Okay I no longer think Garth is some mastermind resistance operative playing 4D chess 😭 BUT I do think he knows more than he lets on.

I think he genuinely cares about Becka platonically. Like he sees how vulnerable and emotionally fragile she is. At the same time, he’s still a boy raised in Gilead, so I can absolutely see him viewing marriage as a way to advance socially and gain more freedom/power within the system. Which honestly, if he’s really that deep into MayDay, it’d be a good thing for MayDay too.

I still think my husband’s theory is still plausible that maybe he poisoned his own father as some kind of MayDay loyalty test or because his father discovered compromising info.

In any case I hope he’s a finally one of the good ones even with flaws… I’m tired of the every man is either evil or incompetent trope of THT universe.

  1. Becka
    I say this with love my Shayla… that is not love. That is obsession, emotional starvation and attachment issues produced by growing up in fascism 😭 you do not “love” Agnes, you’re obsessed with the idealisation you have of Agnes.

Gilead gives these girls ZERO identity, sexuality, emotional regulation or autonomy. So of course Becka clings desperately to fantasy and emotional escape wherever she can find it. No girl, Agnes will not run away with you to “idk anywhere”.

I honestly think the Aunt path might become her best survival option. But I’m scared she could also panic and betray someone out of fear/self-preservation before eventually regretting it horribly.

Please don’t send my girl to the Wall. My Shayla nooooo 😭😭😭😭

  1. Judd
    Oh he is ABSOLUTELY getting paired with one of the main girls eventually. The show is slow-cooking him so hard. Just praying by His mercy that season 2 will be more action and less world building!!

And I don’t even mean romantically. His interest in Agnes especially feels more like possession, fascination and obsession with purity/control. Which honestly makes him even creepier. I also think this is why Grove didn’t actually touch Daisy but he did with the others…

With Penny and the book stuff… yeah. I don’t trust that man AT ALL. I think this becomes more of a season two thing though.

  1. Shu
    I still think Shu becoming an Aunt is EXTREMELY plausible. Honestly the more Gilead reveals itself, the more becoming an Aunt probably starts looking like freedom compared to marriage. Also she’s such a savage lol there’s no way my smack talk girl would be as cool as a wife. She’s gotta be an aunt!! I absolutely think she could become resistance through the Aunt path.

Do I still lowkey think she might never get her period? Yes 😭

  1. Hulda
    Oh Hulda… my poor delusional optimistic queen 😭 my Shayla 2.0

The rose-tinted way she talks about marriage gives me the WORST gut feeling because Gilead always punishes optimists eventually. I honestly think she’s going to learn the horrifying lesson that the dentist taught everyone: no powerful man in Gilead is truly safe to trust.

At this point my biggest hope for Hulda is literally:
may she at least get her dog.

  1. Lydia
    I no longer think Lydia’s “redemption arc” is going to be some huge revolutionary girlboss freedom fighter moment. That would honestly feel too neat. And wouldn’t make me forgive what she’s done to the handmaids.

I think instead she becomes increasingly godmother-like toward the girls. Protective, manipulative, controlling, morally compromised… but genuinely trying in her own Lydia way to keep them out of the Colonies, the Wall or horrifying marriages.

  1. Vidala
    VIDALA GIRL PLEASE RELAX 😭 Judd checked her starvation for power outttt so bad after he offered her to go after Lydia lol.

No but seriously, this lady is STARVED for power and authority. Is it a spy thing? Is she genuinely wanting to get at Lydia? Is she just wanting power cause she truly believes? I DONT KNOW!! But I do know that I don’t trust her. How she tried to gaslight Daisy too!

I NEED a Vidala-centric episode because I think she represents a really interesting type of female complicity in authoritarian systems: women who gain power through enforcing patriarchy and become deeply invested in the hierarchy because it finally gives them status, clarity and authority. I mean. Look at her before? She had no power at the school. Lydia put her down for not refilling the coffee. I don’t think that was random.

But also girl… act a little more nonchalant sometimes damn.

Ok that’s me for now.
Thoughts?

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u/sasitabonita — 2 days ago
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Aunt Lydia quoting Jane Austen

Season 6, Episode 5 referenced Jane Austen with Aunt Lydia's observation: "Commander Wharton, a single man of good fortune in want of a a wife". Nice to see a popular series refer back to the writer who changed everything.

From the Guardian 2017: Pride and Prejudice “set a bad example” to the 12-year-old Margaret Atwood, she has scribbled, by exposing the young girl to “a hero who was unpleasant to the heroine, but later turned out to be not only admirable and devotedly in love with her, but royally rich … Were underage readers of this book, such as myself, doomed to a series of initially hopeful liaisons in which unpleasant men turned out to be simply unpleasant?” Atwood adds: “I especially liked the scene in which Elizabeth Bennett [sic] stands down Lady de Bourgh. I longed to do the same to my gym teacher, but occasion never offered.”

u/agirlhasnoname2026 — 3 days ago
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People saying Serena didn't shield much power or they wouldn't have cut her finger

First of all, they didn't cut Serena's finger just for reading. I'm sure if she had accidentally read an old religious stamp in a dinner party, nothing would've happened. Just like nothing happens when she smokes even if it is forbidden. Or how her and a lof of the wives have dyed hair even if hairdye is forbidden, and smuggled in like that Martha told Nick in season 1.

It's not the action itself, but the symbolism behind her action. The whole scene is very theatrical, very right-wing theatrical even. She did a lot of forbidden things. Bringing the other wives in on her scheme, interrupting the council of these "important" men with petty women's issues (notice how the first line is another commander mocking Fred for even "letting" her wife leave the house).

But even by then, the waters are still calm. Putnam says it's a radical proposal, but not an offense or anything like that. The subtext of the word proposal is, "we can take it or leave it", so they likely just ignore it. Even Fred says "we'll consider it". Up until this point, Serena was asking for something, ergo, still respecting that THEY woukd be the ones making the decision.

The moment that changes everything: when she begins to preach. Not ever reading if you notice, she's basically reciting the scripture. The Bible is just a prop. What does this action say? I know it better than you. Pay attention at what she recite especifically:

>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness

Plus the cinematography of her being the only one in the light vs. everyone in darkness, and again, her very "right-wing preacher tone" of I Know Better. As Serena stands under the spotlight, she literally embodies "the light shining in the darkness". The Commanders, sitting in deep shadow at their desks, are framed as the "darkness" itself.

But even then, the Commanders barely react. They just look at Fred like "reprimand your woman". It's Fred who's angry beyond words.

As the other wives look on with a glimmer of hope, and the other Commanders look mildly unsettled, the camera repeatedly cuts to Fred’s face. He is entirely humiliated and terrified.

​Fred has always been deeply insecure about his own political and intellectual standing. He knows that before Gilead, Serena was the true ideological architect, the brilliant public speaker, and the cultural force behind their movement. When she steps up to that podium and commands the room with flawless authority, she shreds his fragile ego.

I'm sure the other Commanders would've been fine with a slap in the wrist. But just like Mrs. Putnam pushed to get her husband's hand cut off for having an affair with Janine, Fred pushed for punishment for Serena.

He isn't the little bit sorry when he announces it to Serena. On the contrary, he's still angry. Because she dared to touch his greatest wound: the fact that she knows better than him, and he sees she's a much stronger political speaker.

https://youtu.be/q1KtAq4Rozs?si=rKcFu8lxwm\_-TH33

u/Enough-Reading4143 — 6 days ago

That one commander said something about this years batch looking good (talking about the Plums), this makes me wonder...

....Since the commanders can have a say in who they would like to marry, what happens if no commanders want a Plum because they are ugly?

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u/harmony-rose — 7 days ago
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I found this podcast with Bruce Miller talking about the ending of Season 6.

They talk about Nick’s arc and his shocking final scene at 30:12.

I found it really interesting when Bruce said that Nick never truly chose Gilead or fully bowed down to it when he tells Lawrence : « you joined the winning side ». Bruce Miller points out that Nick didn’t say « you joined the RIGHT side » or « you joined US ». He specifically chose the term « winning side » because for Nick, winning means survival and safety. And safety is what a family man and father would choose.

What do you thing about that ?

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u/Bright_Gain837 — 7 days ago

Unhinged predictions

Yes they’re unhinged so if you don’t like that or just have snark please keep scrolling. If you do find it interesting lemme know what you think and what your predictions are!!

  1. Agnes: I honestly think, like in my past posts, that we’ll see some MOMENTARY character development where she enforces Gilead before escaping it; perhaps in her role as Weston’s fiancé or wife; she’ll see she can put Paula’s where they belong… and if she does end up marrying Weston and he’s an outright POS she might redirect rage onto others of lesser status. Again, temporarily, I’m not saying this is Agnes forever before you all get triggered. It just simply makes sense that we might not see an outright rebel who has an epiphany and goes full on mayday heiress. I’m hoping more of a slow awakening from the life time of indoctrination.

  2. Judd kills Penny: Source: honestly, going off by the book and Penny’s latest appearance. He’s seemed infatuated with Agnes, so if he does kill Penny, perhaps he could express an interest in her… But if the engagement to Weston is an absolute not go maybe the show could try to pair him with Daisy… even if it doesn’t eventually happen.

  3. Daisy: I think she will absolutely disclose her period to get that dentist appointment and snitch on him like if that was her get free out of Gilead forceful marriage card. But a womb is a womb in Gilead, and as I said before, I suspect Judd will soon be single/widowed. Would make a good intelligence target plot for MayDay ngl.

  4. Garth: okay this one is my husband’s theory and I actually think is plausible. What if Garth poisoned his own father as a MayDay mission/loyalty test? After all he said: MayDay poisoned him, and Garth is MayDay! Or maybe his father discovered compromising info and had to be silenced?

  5. Shu: we see our girl Shu become an aunt this season. Perhaps seeing one of her friends suffer, idk Penny? Or Hulda? Would finally open her eyes that being a Prune is actually a blessing. Plus what other path is there for her? Considering how elitist Gilead is…

  6. Becka: okay you all can stfu if you judge my girl Becka. Because of course we all would’ve chosen Garth if given the chance. I think she’s idealised with the idea of a Levander marriage. Can’t blame her… but she’ll discover Garth is up to spy stuff and after all don’t you have to try and make babies at all costs? Could snitching on him be a pathway to becoming an aunt and never have to do baby making with a man?

  7. Hulda: ugh how rose tinted she is with her match gives me a real bad gut feeling. I’m sorry Hulda… but Gilead will Gilead. I think we’ll see her learning that just like the dentist… no man in Gilead is trustworthy.

  8. Lydia: I’m sorry Lydia but you’re becoming boring. Been waiting for her to have that redemption arc for most of THT… it’s just a bit yawn 🥱 but I do see her plotting to bring revenge onto some of the men… maybe the dentist to begin with.

  9. Vidala: a bit more of a wish… but I hope they give us a Vidala episode before the finale… and that her character actually has a bigger role in the whole plot.

Thoughts?

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u/sasitabonita — 7 days ago

What do you think is the significance of Moira wearing a "wife" dress?

This is when she and Luke were raising Nicole together

If your rapist wore one, would you wear something this similar without even thinking?

u/Enough-Reading4143 — 8 days ago

My theory on Garth’s dad

I’ve seen lots of fans speculate that he was poisoned at Jezebels or something alike.

I actually think this could be plausible but not necessarily because he was 100% a bad commander. He could’ve been in the wrong place and time. After all, commanders must do commander things, and if he sympathised with some sort of resistance wouldn’t it make sense that he’d have to avoid all suspicion by hanging out with other commanders in dodgy places prone to MayDay attacks like Jezebels?

I’m not outright speculating that he was a MayDay operative. But perhaps he didn’t buy the whole religious fanatic woohoo, think Commander Lawrence type. Hence why his son might’ve learnt academic works on Freud and alike. Perhaps it was okay to read and learn at home, also Garth is a boy/young man, so it’s not absolutely insane that he’ll read, and perhaps taboo works too.

As for Garth having been a kidnapped child… I mean, there are econofamilies with children. Couldn’t this just be his biological family and their survival strategy is to collaborate to survive and secure a prestigious position within the system?

Thoughts?

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u/sasitabonita — 8 days ago

I'm confused, if Garth was born (or not) and raised Gilead, how is he part of Mayday?

Pray, excuse my ignorance, I only seen clips on tiktok.

But it all make sense now how he doesn't know who June is or what tampons are.

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u/harmony-rose — 9 days ago
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[Spoilers S4E7] June describes Serena as the show plays scenes of June.

Starting 43:55 on Hulu (Scenes of Serena and Fred) "she's pathological. She's a sociopath.. she's toxic and abusive. She's a monster..." "...Hatred and rage. And underneath all of that there's nothing but pure misery..." "And she'll do anything not to feel that way. Anything to feel okay. Even just for a second."

(June continues to speak but now it's cuts to scenes of just June holding the baby outside with Luke) " She'll do anything to get what she wants. Lie to you. Hurt you. Rape you" (Camera frames Luke as she says rape. Scenes go back to June) "So if you feel yourself sucked in by her. Run." ( close up of June's face ) "Run for your life."

Offred killed June to survive Gilead. What we see now is the avenging angel of both of them. Hell, even some of the imagery shows Offred’s handmaid dress removed from her back and in the shape of red angel wings.

To steal a line from another show, “if you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention.”

Pretty awesome. They purposely showed so many scenes of June during this for a reason. June has become so broken and possibly psychopathic (sociopathic or pathologic) from Gilead. I think it also foreshadows how dangerous and the lengths June will be willing to go to, to get the justice she thinks she deserves. Thoughts?

https://youtu.be/bF1-RAVaV40?si=S5i6V7fNhNXh41Q8

u/Enough-Reading4143 — 7 days ago

The Testaments S1 E08 "Broken" Episode Discussion

The Testaments S1 E08 "Broken"

As Agnes is swept up in wedding plans, Daisy hides a life-altering secret and Hulda faces backlash after speaking out.

Airdate: May 13th, 2026

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u/Melairia — 9 days ago