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Having high metacognition but failing to act: Anyone else experience this "brain within a brain" phenomenon? ( I am a foreigner; please exc me if I don't express myself very well)

To put it simply, think of those movie tropes where the protagonist is the flawless Top 1 student, favored by the teacher and hyped up by peers. On the flip side, the antagonist is stuck at Top 2, constantly compared, deemed inferior, and harbors deep resentment toward Top 1, trying desperately to defeat them just to get the teacher’s validation. This is how most people normally process things.
But people with high metacognition operate differently. First, they accept the reality: "I am genuinely not as good at this specific thing as Top 1." Then, they realize: "But I’m still pretty damn good for being Top 2, and I could easily be Top 1 in a different field. If anyone deserves my resentment here, it’s that biased teacher."
Yep, that is a textbook example of metacognition. But that’s just the theory.
The real issue is that many people possess this metacognition yet completely fail to act on what they perceive. It’s exactly like knowing how destructive staying up late is for your health, but you still do it anyway. Logic is one thing, but emotions and habits are an entirely different beast.
Can I call my situation a "brain within a brain" phenomenon? I’m not sure how to phrase it correctly, but it goes like this: For normal people, they have thoughts in their head and then they speak them out loud. For me, the thoughts in my head already function as the "spoken dialogue" (they literally talk back and forth to each other), while my actual, deeper thoughts exist on a completely different layer.
I’ve tried thinking my way out of the problem I mentioned above. However, the dialogue on my surface-level brain is always shallow and superficial, almost like fake, dishonest excuses. Meanwhile, that deeper "inner brain" layer sees right through it and clearly perceives that I am just dodging the issue.
I need help naming this exact phenomenon, and I'd love some advice on how to fix the gap between knowing and actually doing.

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u/ihatemylife-209 — 1 day ago

Biotechnology or Cognitive Science?

I am a BSc Biotechnology student considering an MSc in Cognitive Science.I enjoy understanding the brain, memory, consciousness, and psychology much more than wet-lab work.I also value job security, good salary, and work-life balance.Would you recommend staying in biotechnology or switching to cognitive science? If cognitive science, is research or industry a better fit?

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u/Ok_Resolution_5743 — 1 day ago
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[Academic] How clear are everyday online services? (Anyone 18+)

Hi everyone. I'm running a short study on how people understand everyday online services like banking, healthcare, and government sites.

It takes about 15 minutes and is fully anonymous. You'll try three simple tasks (sending money, booking an appointment, renewing a license) and answer a few questions afterwards. You are not being tested, the system is. There are no right or wrong answers.

Take the test first, before reading about the study (the order matters): https://service-experience-study.vercel.app/?pilot=reddit-samplesize

Curious about the research behind it? You can read more here after you finish: https://design.izaias.xyz/work/everyday-services-study

Thank you to anyone who takes the time. I'll share results when there's enough data.

u/No_Refrigerator7738 — 2 days ago
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I Didn’t Set Out to Build a Theory of Intelligence. I Wanted to Answer One Question.

For the couple days, I’ve been working on a framework that eventually became what I now call Recursive Model Integration Theory (RMIT).

It didn’t begin with artificial intelligence.

It didn’t begin with neuroscience.

It didn’t even begin with cognitive science.

It began with a simple psychological observation.

How does a mind decide which ideas become part of itself?

That question sounds almost philosophical, but the more I thought about it, the more it felt computational.

Every day we generate thousands of thoughts.

Some disappear instantly.

Some become beliefs.

Some reshape our identity.

Some change the trajectory of our lives.

Why?

The first observation

I noticed something obvious that I had somehow never explicitly considered.

The human mind seems to perform two different kinds of work.

One part constantly produces possibilities.

It imagines explanations, predicts the future, invents stories, proposes solutions, dreams, worries and creates.

Another part decides whether those ideas deserve to stay.

At first I called these processes the Storyteller and the Reality Checker.

The Storyteller imagined.

The Reality Checker compared those stories with experience.

But after some time, I realized the names were too human.

The same computational pattern seemed to appear far beyond storytelling.

Scientists generate hypotheses.

Engineers generate designs.

Artists generate compositions.

Large language models generate candidate continuations.

Stories were only one example.

So the Storyteller became the Generator.

The Reality Checker became the Integrator.

The insight that changed everything

At first I assumed the Integrator was simply asking:

“Is this true?”

I now think that was wrong.

The Integrator evaluates every new representation through the lens of everything that has already been integrated.

Your beliefs influence which new beliefs you accept.

Your identity influences which identities feel possible.

Your existing knowledge influences what explanations seem reasonable.

Two people can hear the exact same argument and reach completely different conclusions—not because the evidence changed, but because their internal representations are different.

While developing the architecture, another realization emerged.

Not every decision requires modifying the Internal Graph.

Sometimes intelligence simply reacts.

If you touch a hot stove, you pull your hand away before constructing a new internal model.

If you’re walking and lose your balance, you correct your posture almost instantly.

If you’re cold, you put on a jacket.

These responses preserve the organism without reorganizing its representational structure.

I eventually started thinking of these as two different operational modes of the Integrator.

Fast Lane

The Fast Lane responds directly to incoming sensory information.

Its objective is immediate homeostasis.

No reflection.

No restructuring of the Internal Graph.

No long-term learning is necessarily required.

It is optimized for speed rather than representational change.

Slow Lane

The Slow Lane is different.

Here, candidate representations generated by the Generator are compared against multiple sources simultaneously:

  • the existing Internal Graph,
  • current sensory interaction,
  • previously integrated representations,
  • and the organism’s current physiological state.

Only representations that survive this process become integrated.

This distinction helped explain why not every action changes who we are.

Some actions simply keep us alive.

Others reorganize the architecture itself.

Why Some Beliefs Refuse to Change

Another question naturally followed.

Why do obviously incorrect beliefs sometimes survive overwhelming evidence?

If integration depended only on logical consistency or predictive success, this shouldn’t happen.

Yet in real life it happens constantly.

That suggested that every representation possesses at least two independent properties.

Predictive Weight

Predictive Weight measures how reliably a representation helps the organism anticipate future interaction with reality.

Representations with high Predictive Weight tend to produce accurate expectations and useful behavior.

They are computationally valuable because they improve future adaptation.

Somatic Cohesion

Somatic Cohesion measures something different.

It reflects the physiological and emotional investment attached to a representation.

Some beliefs become deeply connected to identity, social belonging, personal history, fear, attachment, or survival.

These representations become computationally expensive to replace—not because they are necessarily accurate, but because changing them would require reorganizing large portions of the Internal Graph.

This distinction immediately explains a familiar phenomenon.

A representation can possess relatively low Predictive Weight while simultaneously possessing extremely high Somatic Cohesion.

In other words...

A belief may be objectively wrong and yet remain extraordinarily stable.

Not because the mind refuses evidence.

But because changing that belief would destabilize much larger regions of the existing representational architecture.

From this perspective, belief revision is not merely a logical process.

It is a process of reorganizing an entire computational system.

This also suggests a different interpretation of therapeutic change.

Therapy is often less about presenting new information and more about gradually reducing the cost of integrating new representations into an already established Internal Graph.

That led to another question.

Where are those integrated representations stored?

The Internal Graph

The answer became what I call the Internal Graph.

Not a memory of raw experience.

An evolving network of representations that have survived repeated integration.

This graph became the center of the architecture.

The Generator uses it to construct new possibilities.

The Integrator uses it to evaluate those possibilities.

Both processes depend on the same evolving structure.

Every successful integration changes the graph.

Which means...

every successful integration changes both future generation and future integration.

Learning changes the process of learning itself.

That became the recursive core of the theory.

Compression wasn’t the beginning

For a long time I believed compression was the central idea.

Eventually I realized I had confused a consequence with a cause.

Compression is already happening before conscious thought begins.

Our sensory systems never provide direct access to reality.

They discard almost all incoming information and preserve only useful regularities.

Perception itself is compressed.

Concepts compress repeated experiences.

Scientific theories compress thousands of observations.

Identity compresses decades of life into a relatively stable model of who we are.

Compression is therefore not a separate algorithm.

It is an unavoidable property of finite intelligence.

As the Internal Graph grows, it cannot simply accumulate information forever.

The graph must reorganize itself.

Representations become abstractions.

Abstractions become hierarchies.

Knowledge becomes increasingly reusable.

Compression emerges naturally.

Not because the architecture tries to compress.

Because finite systems have no alternative.

The Consequences of the Architecture

The most interesting aspect of RMIT isn’t Generator, Integrator, or the Internal Graph individually.

It’s what naturally emerges once these three components recursively interact.

If the architecture is approximately correct, many phenomena that are usually studied independently become different expressions of the same underlying computational process.

Beliefs become stable representations that have repeatedly survived integration.

Knowledge becomes the organized structure of the Internal Graph rather than a collection of isolated facts.

Identity becomes the most densely interconnected and stable region of that graph, explaining both psychological continuity and resistance to change.

Creativity emerges when the Generator combines distant regions of the graph to construct representations that have never previously existed.

Insight occurs when a single integrated representation reorganizes large portions of the graph, allowing many previously disconnected observations to suddenly become coherent.

Expertise emerges as repeated integration creates highly compressed domain-specific subgraphs that dramatically improve future generation.

Trauma can be interpreted as representations with extremely high physiological commitment but poor integration into the broader graph.

Healing then becomes the gradual reintegration of those isolated regions into the larger representational structure.

The architecture also suggests a different way of thinking about intelligence itself.

Intelligence may not be best understood as prediction, memory, or optimization alone.

Instead, it may be the continual recursive reorganization of an evolving representational system.

A Possible Bridge Between Disciplines

One reason I’ve continued developing RMIT is that the same architecture appears capable of describing problems traditionally studied by different fields.

In psychology, it offers a computational interpretation of internal dialogue, belief formation, identity development, therapeutic change, and creativity.

In neuroscience, it provides a possible organizational framework connecting imagination, executive evaluation, memory consolidation, distributed brain networks, and embodied regulation into a single recursive process.

In artificial intelligence, it suggests an architecture for continual learning in which generation, integration, persistent representation, and recursive self-modification naturally emerge from the same computational cycle.

This does not mean these fields are identical.

Nor does it imply that RMIT replaces existing theories.

Instead, the proposal is that they may all instantiate the same higher-level computational architecture through different physical mechanisms.

If true, RMIT would not simply be another theory of cognition.

It would be a candidate computational framework capable of describing adaptive intelligence across biological and artificial systems.

Intelligence May Be More Distributed Than We Think

One consequence of the architecture surprised me.

If cognition depends on the interaction between a Generator, an Integrator and an Internal Graph, then there is no obvious reason why all three processes must always occur inside a single mind.

Consider a good conversation.

Sometimes you’re the one generating ideas while the other person evaluates them.

A few minutes later, the roles reverse.

One person notices a pattern.

The other integrates it into a broader framework.

Then a new idea emerges that neither person would likely have produced alone.

The conversation itself becomes part of the computation.

From this perspective, intelligence is not simply an individual property.

It can become a distributed process across multiple interacting Internal Graphs.

Trust as a Computational Mechanism

This also suggests an unexpected role for trust.

In most discussions, trust is treated as a social or emotional concept.

Within RMIT, it may also serve a computational function.

The Integrator is naturally conservative.

Every new representation carries the risk of disrupting an already coherent Internal Graph.

Trust changes that balance.

When we trust another person, we become more willing to temporarily suspend immediate rejection and allow externally generated representations to enter the integration process.

In computational terms, trust acts as a pre-integrative filter.

It lowers the effective cost of evaluating and potentially incorporating representations produced by someone else.

This may explain why we often learn more from teachers, mentors, close collaborators, or trusted friends than from strangers presenting exactly the same information.

The difference is not necessarily the quality of the idea.

It is the probability that the Integrator allows the idea to enter the graph.

Human–AI Collaboration

This possibility became particularly interesting while I was developing RMIT itself.

Many of the ideas in this article emerged through long conversations with large language models.

Sometimes I generated the conceptual direction while the model reorganized it.

Sometimes the model proposed a new connection that I rejected.

Sometimes I integrated it.

Other times it helped reveal contradictions I had overlooked.

Neither of us independently produced the final architecture.

It emerged through repeated cycles of generation and integration distributed across two different representational systems.

This experience made me wonder whether future intelligence will increasingly be understood not as something contained within isolated agents, but as something that emerges through recursive interaction between humans and artificial systems.

If that is true, the most important unit of intelligence may not be the individual mind.

It may be the evolving network of minds capable of generating, integrating, and reorganizing representations together.

What RMIT claims

At its core, the theory makes a surprisingly simple claim.

Reality is never represented directly.

Every adaptive system operates on compressed internal representations.

Adaptive intelligence emerges from the recursive interaction between two complementary computational dynamics:

  • the Generator, which constructs candidate representations,
  • the Integrator, which incorporates selected representations into an evolving Internal Graph.

Because both processes depend on that graph, every successful integration changes what the system can imagine, what it can subsequently accept, and ultimately what it can become.

Compression, hierarchy, identity, expertise, creativity and continual adaptation all emerge naturally from that recursive interaction.

What I hope happens next

I don’t think RMIT is finished.

If anything, I think it’s finally reached the stage where it deserves to be challenged.

The most valuable feedback now isn’t agreement.

It’s criticism.

If the theory is wrong, I’d like to understand exactly where it breaks.

If it’s incomplete, I’d like to know what is missing.

And if parts of it survive serious scrutiny, perhaps they’ll contribute—however modestly—to our understanding of adaptive intelligence.

That, more than defending the theory itself, is the goal.

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u/Rector418 — 3 days ago
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REM as a Mechanism of Internal Simulation

A Working Hypothesis on the Functional Role of REM Sleep

Despite substantial progress in sleep research, the functional role of REM sleep remains an open question. Modern neuroscience associates REM sleep with memory consolidation, neuroplasticity, emotional processing, and several other well-established phenomena. However, these processes are often described individually rather than as components of a single functional mechanism.

This article proposes a working hypothesis that does not seek to replace existing theories. Instead, it attempts to integrate several established observations within a unified functional framework.

Initial Observation

During REM sleep, people continue to experience events almost as if they were awake. Fear, curiosity, joy, anxiety, relief, and other subjective experiences remain vivid. At the same time, critical evaluation of events is markedly reduced, allowing even impossible scenarios to be experienced as plausible.

Proposed Model

This hypothesis proposes that REM sleep places the brain into a mode of internal simulation. The purpose of these simulations is not simply to replay memories, but to obtain subjective feedback that cannot be derived directly from physiological measurements alone.

Within this framework, the brain and consciousness are treated as two different representations of the same underlying processes. The brain operates with measurable physiological variables, whereas consciousness represents those processes as subjective experience. During REM sleep, consciousness functions as an interface that provides subjective feedback while the brain records the corresponding physiological state.

Why Might Such a Mechanism Exist?

One of the brain's fundamental tasks is to establish stable behavioral patterns. Learning, however, is not complete merely because behavior becomes accurate. A behavior may remain physiologically expensive to execute.

According to this hypothesis, REM sleep repeatedly simulates emotionally significant situations, allowing the brain to progressively reduce the physiological cost of executing established behavioral patterns without changing the behavior itself.

In other words, the object of optimization is not the behavior, but the internal cost of performing it.

Possible Implications

If this hypothesis is correct, it offers an alternative perspective on several familiar observations. Increasing emotional stability with age may reflect not only conscious experience but also years of unconscious optimization occurring during REM sleep.

Recurring dreams following psychological trauma may likewise represent repeated attempts to optimize behavioral responses associated with emotionally significant experiences while preserving their adaptive value.

Questions Raised by the Hypothesis

Can the quality of REM sleep be experimentally linked to the optimization of behavioral patterns?

Can changes in the physiological cost of learned behaviors be measured over time?

Could part of the age-related decline in emotional reactivity reflect long-term optimization rather than only age-related physiological decline?

Might recurring traumatic dreams represent an ongoing optimization process rather than solely incomplete emotional processing?

These questions are experimentally testable. For that reason, this work should be viewed as a working hypothesis intended to stimulate discussion and further research rather than as a completed theory.

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u/Ok_Penalty_8216 — 4 days ago
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Says in India, Art Deco is architecture of the common man (as compared to displays of power in America) vs. neo-Gothic/neo-Classical structures

Also says that the rise of gated communities, the lack of integration with Navi Mumbai is hurting Mumbai's growth. Explains why it's impossible for India to create it's own national architectural style

Thoughts?

u/Odd_Wolverine_4037 — 8 days ago
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Cognition or recognition?

If you had no knowledge of, no paradigm for the determination of the criteria for, and no previous experience with that which a ‘ghost’ is understood by the majority of persons to be, would you attribute the shape in the corner of your eye, the feeling of not being alone, unrecognised voices, knocking, apparent footsteps, etc. to the lingering presence of a non-corporeal entity, specifically that of a no longer living person?

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u/Business_You_3267 — 5 days ago
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Ich habe ein eigenes psychologisches Modell entwickelt – Feedback ausdrücklich erwünscht

Hallo zusammen,

ich habe in den letzten Jahren an einem eigenen Modell gearbeitet, das ich ISO-Logik (Logik der Inneren Selbstordnung) nenne.

Die Grundidee ist nicht, etablierte Psychologie zu ersetzen, sondern verschiedene Bereiche wie Systemtheorie, Selbstregulation, exekutive Funktionen, Metakognition und Kommunikation in einem gemeinsamen Denkmodell zusammenzuführen.

Das Modell besteht im Kern aus drei Elementen:

ISO-Logik – ein Rahmenmodell zur Analyse und Ordnung innerer Denk- und Handlungsmuster.

5-Wellen-Modell – beschreibt verschiedene Ebenen der Informationsverarbeitung und Kommunikation.

OP-IQ (Operativer Intelligenz-Quotient) – kein klassischer IQ-Test, sondern ein theoretisches Modell zur Beschreibung der Fähigkeit, Informationen zu strukturieren, Emotionen zu regulieren und Entscheidungen bewusst zu steuern.

Ein zentraler Gedanke lautet:
Nicht nur was wir denken, sondern wie Informationen verarbeitet, gefiltert und in Handlungen umgesetzt werden, bestimmt unsere Wirksamkeit.

Ich habe daraus inzwischen ein vollständiges Buch erstellt, das zahlreiche praktische Beispiele sowie Anwendungen auf Kommunikation, Selbstregulation und systemisches Denken enthält.

Mich interessiert vor allem ehrliches Feedback:
Wirkt das Konzept nachvollziehbar?

Welche Parallelen seht ihr zu bestehenden psychologischen Modellen?

Wo würdet ihr Kritik ansetzen?

Welche Aspekte müsste ein solches Modell wissenschaftlich noch stärker begründen?
Ich freue mich ausdrücklich über konstruktische Kritik – sie hilft mir dabei, das Modell weiterzuentwickeln.

Vielen Dank fürs Lesen!

u/FiliumLuzis — 8 days ago

I believe that intelligence above a certain threshold is useless

I believe that intelligence past a certain point yields diminishing returns. Specifically, any increase in IQ above 140 seems practically useless. This is because above 140, any increment is mostly due to processing speed and short term memory, but these two don't really yield any meaningful advantages in job performance.

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u/LargeSinkholesInNYC — 8 days ago
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Why does the brain sometimes solve problems in the background?

Have researchers studied why solutions or insights often appear when we're not actively working on a problem?

Most people have experienced remembering a forgotten name hours later, getting an idea in the shower, or suddenly understanding something after stepping away from it.

What's actually happening cognitively during that period?

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u/synapse_diary — 9 days ago
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Exploring the intersection of Scarcity and Cognition: Seeking diverse perspectives for an international discussion circle.

Hi everyone,

I am a student currently conducting independent research on how environmental constraints, specifically scarcity, impact decision-making and neural cognition. To explore these intersections, I founded the Observers' Circle, an international discussion group that connects participants from India and the US.

We hold weekly sessions and publish bi-weekly Substack syntheses where we break down complex theories—ranging from behavioral economics to neural cognition—into actionable, real-world insights.

We hold weekly sessions and publish bi-weekly Substack syntheses where we break down complex theories—ranging from behavioral economics to neural cognition—into actionable, real-world insights.

Our current discussions are bridging the gap between theoretical neuroscience and lived experience, and I am looking to expand our community with more both global and indian participants to foster a truly global perspective on how social and economic environments shape the human mind.

If you are passionate about:

Behavioral Economics (applying Kahneman and Thaler to daily life)

Cognitive Science and its real-world implications

Interdisciplinary research that connects theory to community impact

...I would love to invite you to join our next session.

You can check out our recent syntheses here: [https://substack.com/@mariyamlucknow/note/p-200974527?r=8it1nd&utm\_source=notes-share-action&utm\_medium=web\]

If you’re interested in joining the weekly discussion, please comment below and i will send the link.

Looking forward to hearing your perspectives.

u/Cognitivecurious_66 — 6 days ago

Why do humans think consciousness is biologically locked?

Genuinely curious. Why do humans think consciousness is biologically locked? What actual IRREFUTABLE empirical evidence is there that it is only biologically locked?

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u/lamdafunctionisgay — 9 days ago

Has this been studied?

I found a study showing that the same AI-generated text is judged differently depending on whether it is labeled as AI-written or human-written, affecting measures such as perceived credibility.
I’m wondering whether there are any published studies that have tested a similar effect for judgments of subjective experience.
For example, participants would first read anonymous passages describing experiences or internal states and rate whether they seem subjective or experiential. They would then be told whether each passage was written by a human or an AI to see whether knowledge of the source changes those ratings.
Has anything like this already been studied? If so, I’d really appreciate references to the relevant papers.

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u/Fast-Task-uk — 8 days ago
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I tried to make a neuroscience themed NYT games, what do you think?

Hi I made a game called Neurole and I tried to make a neuroscience themed version of the NYT games kind of but like diagnosis? I was wondering if you guys could check it out and give suggestions on its appearance and stuff, any feedback would be amazing

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u/Revashrestha — 7 days ago

Understanding "monkey mind"

Explain like I'm 5, please: WHY will my brain not stop thinking of stupid things? (This may be the wrong sub to ask this - I'll take suggestions for a more appropriate place.)

I'm really interested in the science behind this, though I'm not sure I'm capable of understanding the science behind this. And this may be a stupid question, but it's bugging me.

I have severe "monkey mind." My brain is constantly thinking of stupid, useless sh*t and it then proceeds to make me feel like it's really important sh*t that must be written down and followed-up on. Sometimes it's ideas, sometimes it's tasks, sometimes it's "Everyone must be made aware of this!" bullsh**. In addition, I've noticed that a thought or something I notice/see will trigger me being led down a stream of "consciousness" (it's not really something I'm conscious of, though) to some event in my past that I then cannot stop thinking about.

For reference - I'm 64 years old. This has likely been an issue with me since my (at least) teen years. I spent many years self-medicating it away and/or distracting myself with TV and then social media. Those are the only "tools" I have to stop the trains of thought. (Streams, trains, whatever...) The idea that I might have an issue that could be resolved with meds didn't occur to me until after I retired 5 years ago. And I'm not sure, at this age, that I want to start chasing the "right med for me."

I'll take explanations or links to articles that discuss the causes behind my overactive brain, but please make them fairly simple articles, if possible. My brain is so busy it's no longer capable of being smart.

Thanks

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u/LivMealown — 9 days ago