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Why I like the William loving his kids idea so much

Why I like the William loving his kids idea so much

WEEWOO WEEWOO PERSONAL OPINION ALERTTTT!!!

Now, apart from just my own preference, there is actual evidence he liked his kids genuinely guysssssss, but I'll talk about my own thoughts on narratives here. And don't bother bringing up novel and movie William, I know of them, this is a personal idea I have.

What I find boring:

I find the lack of love or understanding of true love boring lmao. At least from many fictional media I've gotten the pleasure of consuming, the villains tend to lack love or lack understanding it, or do anything to have it.

What I want instead:

I want William's arc to not be about his failure of understanding love, or wanting love, or regaining love, but mainly co-existing with whatever he has going on, that impure, warped love of his just being a part of him.

For William, I believe he'd be able to love as much as a narcissist can. They can be loving btw, but ultimately self-centred, even if they value others.

The trope (and subversion):

Of course, there's the constant trope of reviving a loved one in fiction, and while I dislike recurring tropes, there's very specific scenarios that can make this trope good.

So the general gist is that I want a William Afton who has love and follows the "reviving loved ones" trope but have it executed in such a way that it's clear it becomes something selfish, instead of noble. And he knows. It's something evidently pathetic, and shows that even if love is the drive, it can turn into something disturbing, even for the people the villain loves. Anti-romanticism of such an ideal lol.

Not just revival too — William could go "I want my kid back, but if possession helps with living forever... sign me up lmao," and that ends up becoming his major motivation.

Why this works (morally):

I've already mentioned how I like it so that he has the capability to love, because that makes him more unforgiveable as someone who chooses to not love. Even better when he believes he's acting out of love, when really, it's his own selfishness.

The main point is how that love was a part of him in his past, and instead of being a normal dude, he threw that entire thing away and decided to just go wild. This gives William a new level of "autonomy" and accountability, where he has the ability to be human, but also an equal likelihood of being a monster, and he repeatedly chooses the monster in many aspects, until even his family life has that monster in there. I like him being aware because it makes him more guilty.

He can do horrible things for his kid, but the point is, he has done horrible things, and he was capable of such things. Love only sped up this corruption.

The weaponization of love:

Additionally, the villain understands love brilliantly — like the idea of William killing children because he wants the parents in particular to suffer, because he can understand the pain coming from grief. He experienced a human feeling, and decided to make it his weapon. I find it horrific.

Final thought:

In stories love is seen as the ultimate cure, but what if in this story whenever hints of it are seen, it only harms? Not just outsiders, but the people actually loved?

also, agree with this framework? feel free to check out r/WillFlawedCare lol

u/girl_OOFED — 15 hours ago
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Luis(Vanessa's admirer) as a follower

That one guy from FNAF AR emails.

I've been intrigued in the "Cult of Afton" idea and wanted to imagine other followers. His suit is base on White Rabbit from FNAF World, he's trying to match with Vannyđź’”

It's also for a friend's reimagine of FNAF AR that we're just having a field day with.

u/Otherwise_Loquat7511 — 18 hours ago

Been pondering this for a while now… why does Baby have to lure you into the Scooping Room instead of just knocking you out?

This is kind of a question I really need to be answered to help with a project I’m working on, but I’ve also been wondering about it for the longest time. In night 5 of Sister Location, why doesn’t Circus Baby just knock us out instead of going through the whole effort to earn our trust and lure us into the Scooping Room? Like I get the animatronics didn’t use the technicians’ bodies because they specifically wanted revenge on someone they thought is William and they needed a way to fool Hand Unit, but why didn’t they just knock Michael out and then drag him to the scooper themselves? Did Baby just not want to take a risk in damaging him before he could get there? Or am I missing something? Or more importantly, was Scott missing something, lol

Please tell me you’re thoughts because I don’t know dude

u/Star_Mistress473 — 21 hours ago

What if FNaF was a 10-episode Netflix series instead of a movie franchise? How would you handle each episode?

With the way FNaF tells its story through short, piecemeal games that reveal a grander narrative with each entry, I’ve always felt it would be better suited to a serialized batch of 50 minute episodes in a single season miniseries, something closer to Chernobyl or other Netflix/HBO dramas, rather than trying to fit the full story into three movies and forcing major adaptation differences.

I think the pieces are there for a great thriller series focused on drama, corruption of the mind, generational trauma, and the expectations between parents and their children.

If I were to piece together a 10 episode show to tell the full story, while allowing for some lore leniency, I’d do the following.

Episode 1 - Meet the Murrays

We meet a young Edwin struggling with his admiration for his own father and his desire to be exactly like him. We see his meeting with Fiona at work, and how their relationship is strengthened by the sudden and unexpected death of Edwin’s father. Fiona comforts him through that grief, and the two eventually start a family.

When Fiona gets pregnant, a duo of entrepreneurs buy up Edwin’s go-to local diner. Edwin quickly bonds with them over their shared love of robotics, inspiring him to live up to his father’s legacy and become a great inventor. This leads to inventions like the Clean-O-Vac and Magic Coat Rack, but cracks begin forming as Edwin starts putting the idea of becoming his father above being himself for his own family.

The episode ends with the creation of the Mimic as a babysitting device for his newborn son.

Episode 2 - Fall Fest

This is where the drama truly begins. A calculated fire at Fall Fest, possibly caused by William, leads to Fiona’s death. William starts showing his ruthless businessman side and begins dropping the act, while Edwin spirals into a mental breakdown as he tries to reconnect with his lost wife through the Mimic.

Edwin loses his business, his social life, and eventually his son to this obsession. When he tries to do the same thing for his son, he breaks through the delusion and locks both versions of the Mimic away, but not before teaching M2 violence, which ends up being his end.

Episode 3 - Stage01

This episode marks a shift in character focus as well as a 10 year timeskip. We now focus on the Afton family, specifically the Crying Child and young Michael. The first dominoes fall with the Bite of ’83 and William’s discovery of the supernatural afterward.

Episode 4 - Deep Underground

William ventures into the MCM bunker and discovers the Mimic. After losing his youngest son and daughter, he finds new hope in the idea of putting his children back together, pushing him into an even darker set of morals.

Episode 5 - Give Gifts, Give Life

This episode focuses on the MCI, William’s outing from the company after his fallout with Henry, and the subsequent revenge killing of Charlie Emily and the first hauntings.

Episode 6 - Dayshift

William returns to the new and improved Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza. His first encounter with the haunted animatronics pushes him further into his obsession, leading to a new set of murders and experiments as he tries to learn more about this new gift.

Episode 7 - Like Father, Like Son

William returns to the MCI Freddy’s to learn more and ends up getting springlocked. Michael takes over as the new protagonist, and we learn about his nightmares and guilt since the Bite of ’83.

Episode 8 - Sister Location

Michael descends into the bunker and learns the truth of his father’s misdeeds, as well as his sister’s fate.

Episode 9 - Nightshift

This is when we finally reach the FNaF 1 era, making it the most “FNaF” episode of them all and the big fanservice reward near the end.

Episode 10 - Happiest Day

The finale focuses on the Afton family reunion inside Fazbear’s Fright, Mike’s reconnection with his younger brother, and his final decision to be nothing like his father. He chooses to destroy everything William built, taking everyone with him.

I feel like ending the story on the “good ending” line of FNaF 3 would be the most fitting choice for an adaptation. This does mean some possible shuffling of the Sister Location content and an earlier release of Elizabeth’s soul, but it makes for a more satisfying narrative.

The story starts with someone who wants to be the exact man his father was and ends with someone who wants to be nothing like his father. It also starts with William setting everything in motion through a fire and ends with everything being finished in one.

What do you think of this structure? Would this have worked as a satisfying drama/thriller series?

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u/JeliLiam — 12 hours ago

This is literally what the FNAF movies should have done from the start.

Yeah, this isn’t a Bendy subreddit, and this sure as hell isn’t supposed to be a rant trashing on anyone who did love the FNAF movies; but “it’s for the fans” slowly has just become nothing more than a gear to ignore every single flaw these video game movies based on popular brands have—FNAF 2 is a clear example of that.
And this is coming from someone who did genuinely enjoy the first FNAF Movie, but this aesthetic of needing to be a die hard fan just to simply enjoy a movie just isn’t cutting it out for me. I feel like making a movie that anyone (fan or not) can enjoy could bring in a lot more newcomers, and a lot more money for the studio if EVERYONE could enjoy it, and the current two FNAF movies just simply do not grasp that concept whatsoever.

#foreveryone ✊

u/No-Trash8604 — 1 day ago

I was enjoying various FNAF music box tracks and got inspired to make this

And yes, I know there are plenty more than just these but I would never have enough room to include them all

u/Tier71234 — 22 hours ago

(Day 18) Founder of Fazbear Entertainment chases intruder in his underwear and rabbit mask in freezing temperature

Day 18 of drawing FNAF for a month.

That one security footage where people think it's Matthew Lillard(hasn't been confirmed as far as I can tell).

u/Otherwise_Loquat7511 — 23 hours ago
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(Day 17)Excited to be a dad

(Repost: The spelling error in the comic bothered međź’”)

Day 17 of drawing FNAF for a month.

It's like us waiting for the first FNAF movie to come out.

u/Glumgustheexile — 1 day ago
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Don't mind me, i just wanted an excuse to draw Cassidy's 2nd design :'')))

i really missed her, here's the og post of the art and the idea, i hope you like it! did you missed this design too? lemme know :3

u/Draw45Drawing — 1 day ago