I remember GunZ being a blast as a kid. Now it was literally just sword + shotgun tech from every player. The default SMG didn't even do enough damage to kill anyone. I guess only hardcore people even bothered to play the game?
Would love to go back and play the OG gunz just to quest if anyone has a link
i know the launch has been rough, and i’m not trying to pretend otherwise.
there are real problems with the game right now. servers, connection issues, performance, some gameplay changes, translations, bugs, ui decisions, ai assets and other things people have already been talking about.
people should complain about those things. i’m not saying everyone should just shut up and accept whatever they give us.
but i also think we need to be a little smarter about how we react to this launch.
gunz has been basically surviving through private servers and small communities for years. a lot of us have been playing this game for 10, 15 or even close to 20 years, and we all know how many times gunz has disappeared, changed publisher, lost servers or ended up fragmented between different private servers.
now for the first time in a very long time we actually have an official gunz release on steam that anyone can download.
that is a big opportunity, even if the launch itself wasn't good.
this could potentially become the version of gunz that actually stays online for years, gets updates, fixes, maybe new content, better matchmaking, better servers, better anti cheat, quest updates, clan war improvements, new maps and who knows what else in the future.
and i think there is another thing that a lot of people here probably dreamed about at some point.
seeing gunz actually become competitive again.
maybe even something close to an esport.
proper ranked matchmaking, clan wars that actually matter, tournaments, teams, spectators, competitive seasons, prize pools someday, streamers playing tournaments and new players discovering gunz because they watched someone doing k-style at a level they didn't even know was possible.
gunz has always had the mechanics for competitive play.
the skill ceiling is ridiculous. there is movement, aim, timing, positioning, mechanical execution and years of techniques that players developed themselves.
there are games with much simpler mechanics that became massive competitive games.
gunz just never really had the infrastructure, stability, population and long term official support required to get there.
this steam release is probably the closest opportunity we are going to have to actually change that.
is it going to become an esport tomorrow? obviously not.
maybe it never happens.
but if there is ever going to be a chance for gunz to grow into something bigger again, it starts with having one official version, on a major platform, with an active playerbase and developers continuing to work on it.
and none of that happens if the game is dead a few weeks after launch.
masangsoft still has to prove that they are willing to maintain the game and listen to the community.
but we are literally only a few days into the release.
if there is a bug, report it.
if something feels wrong compared to old gunz, explain exactly what changed.
if slash range feels different, show it.
if hit registration is broken, record it.
if there are connection problems, report the region and ping.
if something about k-style feels wrong, explain why.
use the discord, post clips, make comparisons and give the developers information they can actually work with.
that helps.
what i don't really understand is the mentality of immediately trying to bury the game with "dead game", "uninstall", "private servers are better", "don't play this" and negative reviews without even giving them time to fix anything.
if three or six months from now nothing has improved, the developers ignore everyone and the game is still full of the same problems, then fair enough. criticize them as much as you want.
but doing everything possible to destroy the steam rating in the first week doesn't really help anyone.
especially because gunz is a multiplayer game.
population matters more than almost anything.
if new players open steam and see horrible reviews, they don't install.
if people don't install, rooms become emptier.
if rooms become emptier, even more players leave.
then eventually the game becomes financially irrelevant and the publisher stops caring about it.
and then we are back exactly where we started.
another dead official gunz and everyone going back to different private servers asking why nobody ever gives gunz another chance.
we finally have that chance right now.
also, i think veteran players sometimes forget how insane this game looks to someone who has never played it.
imagine downloading gunz for the first time today.
you join a room and someone who has been playing since 2007 starts butterfly, reload shot, half stepping and flying around the map.
you die 15 times without understanding what is happening.
then you go to steam discussions or reddit and everyone is telling you the game is garbage and dead.
of course that player is going to uninstall.
we need new players if we want gunz to grow again.
make beginner rooms.
teach people butterfly.
teach slash shot.
teach reload shot.
make guides.
make clips.
stream the game.
show people why this weird old game still has a community after almost 20 years.
and if some of us really want to see gunz competitive again someday, then this matters even more.
an esport doesn't start with tournaments.
it starts with players.
then a stable game.
then matchmaking.
then ranked.
then teams and competition.
then maybe something bigger.
we are at the very beginning of that possibility right now.
supporting the game doesn't mean pretending everything is fine.
you can like gunz and still tell masangsoft that the launch wasn't good.
you can want the game to succeed and still complain about servers, balance, ai content, bugs or missing features.
the difference is whether you're complaining because you want the game fixed or because you want to watch it fail.
personally i would rather spend the next few weeks reporting problems and seeing what they actually fix.
let them patch things week by week.
see if september gunz is better than august gunz.
see if they listen.
see if the servers improve.
see if gameplay improves.
and if they don't, then the criticism will be completely deserved.
but at least give the project the opportunity to get there.
gunz is one of those games that somehow survived way longer than it probably should have.
there is still nothing that really feels like it.
the movement, k-style, the skill ceiling, melee and guns together, all the weird mechanics players discovered over the years.
people are still playing it almost two decades later for a reason.
i just don't want us to finally get an official gunz on steam and then help kill it ourselves during the first week.
this might genuinely be the best chance gunz gets.
maybe the dream for a lot of us is to eventually see thousands of players online again, competitive clan wars, tournaments and maybe one day something that actually resembles an esports scene.
if we want even a small chance of getting there, the game first needs to survive.
so report the problems.
keep pressure on the developers.
leave useful feedback.
change your review later if they actually fix what you complained about.
help new players.
keep the rooms alive.
invite old friends back.
and let's see what this game looks like after a few weeks of updates before deciding it's already over.
we've waited years for gunz to get another real chance.
i think right now is the moment to be a little more positive and actually try to make this work.
come on guys, we can do this.
I see way too many people coming to Discord disappointed and surprised or on this Reddit posting threads about issues, so I thought I'd compile a list so that people know what they're getting into.
First of all the cheats:
You are also guaranteed to:
Depending on your setup/location/provider:
Communication:
Content & visuals:
Although nowadays you can make AI art that looks realistic, this is more something that they put together 1-3 years ago when it looked more uncanny.
The cash shop:
There are also many other minor bugs like achievements and animations being broken but the post is already long enough and they're not that critical for the gameplay itself.
A revival that was mega hyped and has a massive and loyal fan base who play the game even through it's worst has eventuated with Steam Gunz having already below 800 players online right now - down from 2.2K peak (stopped climbing cause servers crashed) and 1.0K yesterday (Monday) at the same time.
While I was typing this post, I got disconnected from the server while taking pics of the AI shop.
In my opinion the game's fate is already decided, purely from the fact that the developers don't care about the game at all, as they've already done similar revive>milk>ignore>die before with Microvolts on Steam. Additionally, about half of the Steam reviews that are positive are people hoping that the positive ratings will motivate the developers or give the game a chance.
Hi guys. I know the games release has been cheeks but im trying to gather info on all of the combinations of Quest items needed, and their drops.
I know goblin skull + goblin doll = FGK
FGK drops = torn page IV ... and??
Goblin king = necklace(changed the name... probably a translation error but what's the new name?) + goblin skull
Thunder goblin king = ??
Dwarf goblin king = ??
Bosses used to drop 2 equips each, still the case?
Trying to make a youtube guide is why im hunting this info so any help is appreciated.
EDIT:
I've decompiled the game files and found the following info that could be helpful, keep in mind it seems they've moved quest data to be server side at some point in the development process, and Palmpow definitely isn't accurate, and any changes they've made since that move could also be inaccurate. Decent starting point though:
Fake Goblin King:
Sacrifice Items:
Goblin Skull
Goblin Doll
HP: 6500
AP: 6400
Drops:
Fake Grimsk's Necklace (46.51%)
Torn Page IV (46.51%)
Goblin Wizard Gloves (M) (2.33%) - Level: 4 - Cosmetic
Goblin Wizard Gloves (F) (2.33%) - Level: 4 - Cosmetic
Goblin Commander's Club (2.33%) - Weight: 10 Delay: 379 Damage:36 Range: 220
--
Goblin King:
Sacrifice Items:
Grimsk's Necklace
Goblin Skull
HP: 9100
AP: 8960
Drops:
Goblin King's Skull (60.61%)
Torn Page IV (30.30%)
Goblin Mask (F) (3.03%) - Level: 16
Goblin Mask (M) (3.03%) - Level: 16
Goblin Launcher (3.03%) - Level: 10 Weight: 45 Delay: 1600 Damage: 130 Magazine: 2
--
Thunder Goblin King:
Sacrifice Items:
Goblin King's Skull
Grimsk's Necklace
HP: 11700
AP: 11520
Drops:
Torn Page IV (60.61%)
Goblin King's Hammer (30.30%)
Golden Goblin Mask (M) (3.03%) - Level: 16 - Cosmetic
Golden Goblin Mask (F) (3.03%) - Level: 16 - Cosmetic
Golden Goblin Launcher (3.03%) - Level: 10 Weight: 45 Delay: 1600 Damage: 130 Magazine: 2
--
Dwarf Goblin King:
Sacrifice Items:
Goblin King's Skull
Goblin Doll
HP: 6500
AP: 6400
Drops:
Torn Page IV (60.61%)
Goblin King's Hammer (30.30%)
Golden Goblin Wizard Gloves (M) (3.03%) -
Golden Goblin Wizard Gloves (F) (3.03%) -
Goblin Commander's Golden Club (3.03%) -
--
Palmpow spawn rate: ?
Palmpow Doll Drop Rate: 30.30%
Captain Pampow:
Sacrifice Items:
Palmpow Doll
Goblin Doll
HP: ?
AP: ?
Drops:
Captain Pampow Doll
Just like we did with Gunz 2. It's a lost cause. No need to list why.
Move on to a server that actually cares and leave the steam release in the dust.
The game has been alive since the start, and this sh*tshow of a steam release shouldn't influence you to give up on Gunz as a whole just because one group messed up badly
It hurts seeing new and old players just give up on the game as a whole because of masangsoft
So whats the build on this steam release? Seems like you have to go with 2 lower damage ones? Cant even do 1 high damage + low dmg because of the Weight
Attempting to reignite a passion project... We've been itching to cover the Gunz 1 (as well as 2) OST, but the available media to work with is limited. If anyone may have access to a transcriber, we are more than happy to credit you for your contributions. While we are amateur and still entering, we hope this example of our quality will be enough motivation to relay that we are in fact dead serious about this project.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g9oVNTTMRDY
We'll spare our comments regarding the state of the Steam release, but this screen shot of my warning afk message during a recent stream should relay the situation well enough.
I use the default gun Renard which can shoot 32 bullets straight power of 16.
All the pros use shotguns, they told me use the ones with 6 bullets straight , no matter which.
As far as I see by details only, it seems like it can do 6 shots before reload and it says power hit is 13.
So by those details, I don't understand how it's better, can you please explain me how it possible ?
the power of hit is per one shot or for all 6 / 32. I'm confused a little bit.
Thanks in advance.
The boss items only last 7 day, and ontop of that there is a daily Bounty limit?
Could have at least changed some things for the better....
I’ve loved coming back - albeit with issues - to play GunZ on steam but my setup feels clunky and glitchy, what used to be a smooth game back on Ijji and DarkGunZ now feels like it’s stuttering - nevermind the connection lags etc.
I’m running a relatively new system, capped fps at 250, played around with optimise and also the video settings to no avail.
Closed all windows besides GunZ
Win11 user
It just plays a bit ass, sometimes it’s fine but mostly I’m stumbling over slashes and shots and wall banging and see the screen get choppy.
Not to mention random mouse and keyboard input freezes.
Any remediation is welcome
2003, birth of Gunz in Korea, the games buzz exploded because the games core pvp mechanics were so unique, that even the developers had no idea how meta it would become. Keep in mind, there was no questing or pvm in this version.
2007, GunZ gets an international release, under publishment of Ijji. This was the peak of GunZ 2007-2011. Pvm modes and clanwars were added, along with new maps including highhaven and castle. Most of the good players back then were also active on Gunzfactor forums, there was a whole community with screenshots, 1v1 fights,trashtalks...
2010, this is where things start to get wrong. The game is starting to become more toxic because if you didn't follow the meta playstyle, then you would lose most of the fights in clanwars.
The clanwar, pvp feature, or any of the maps never saw an update. A competitive game can't have longevity if the bad stuff doesn't get updated.
So players start playing ratty to win, hugging every corner and potshotting walls, and straight out camping/backpeddling. Buying overpriced items , that were freshly released like fenrir set and hp/ap rings n meds.
2012, a new phenomenon appears, underclocking and OC. some of the pro players start hitting way harder because of exploits like altering the game speed so every shot is easier to hit. This was the Fatal blow, the community got very toxic, most of the active playerbase realized there was no hope left and thereby the community slowly faded away.
2013, aeria games had bought the game around this time and then closed the official server a few months later.
Fast forward to now, Masangsoft "remasters" and releases GunZ. All they did was change the lobby, menu, room UI and some graphics changes.
My take: this game was never about questing or pvm, it's the core pvp mechanic that got players hooked. One example is the swordflip mechanic, like it's just so genius in a shooter game.
But the real issue IMO is: the game was fundamentally flawed from the start, and very expensive to fix/update. So that means no big investors/publishers. There were countless of times when random developers announced they were creating their own gunz, but none prevailed sadly.
Probably because it's not possible to fix it, sometimes things just go extinct.
With the right investments and care, this game could've been one of the best competitive shooter game.
Yeah it's not perfect, but finally an official Gunz server that will be improved over time.
Gunz needed an official server where everyone can play again without worrying about p server viruses and malware
Give them time once clanwar is back ( which is soon,) Gunz will be popping off
what is the ZC currency even used for? And is anyone not able to buy any credits at all? Anytime I click on buying a currency nothing happens
