r/internationallaw

Beyond a ‘Right to Exist’: An Internationally Contingent Right to Continued Statehood

Should a state’s right to continued statehood be contingent upon avoiding egregious violations of international norms?

I believe that rather than a "right to exist," states should have an Internationally Contingent Right to Continued Statehood (ICRCS)—a status recognized in full only so long as they abide by the consensual legal framework (primarily the UN Charter and customary norms) and respect the territorial integrity, sovereign equality, and collective‑security obligations binding all members of the international community. As a state’s violations of international norms accumulate, its ICRCS should gradually erode.

Crucially, this erosion is not metaphysical; it already happens, in practice, along multiple dimensions—even if the process is often dominated, distorted, or selectively applied by powerful states that themselves may be among the worst violators of international norms. As states become chronic violators, they should not instantly “cease to exist,” but they should begin to lose specific privileges normally afforded to fully recognized, law‑abiding states: their institutional voice is downgraded (suspension or expulsion from international organizations), their access to treaty benefits and cooperation regimes is restricted, their economic and financial integration is curtailed through sanctions and exclusion from key systems, their security and non‑intervention protections are weakened via arms embargoes, peacekeeping, or even international administration, and their recognition‑related advantages—including territorial gains by force, diplomatic immunities, and uncontested representation—are progressively questioned or withdrawn.

Framed this way, ICRCS names a bundle of conditional privileges rather than an unconditional claim to “existence.” It captures the idea that sovereignty is a status sustained by ongoing compliance with core international norms, and that when those norms are persistently violated, what should follow is not an all‑or‑nothing determination of existence, but a structured, cumulative stripping away of voice, benefits, protections, and legal shields.

Any such framework has to reckon with the fact that many existing states were themselves forged through conquest, dispossession, and atrocities, and only later “legitimated” by longevity, recognition, and institutional entrenchment. The point of ICRCS is not to retroactively erase those states, but to name the normative shift whereby future claims to statehood and ongoing claims to full membership in the international community are treated as contingent on at least a minimal respect for peremptory norms, basic human rights, and the territorial integrity of others.

A longer‑term goal of fairly applying ICRCS would be to decentralize control over statehood from existing hegemons. Today, powerful states can often shape or suspend other states’ contingent right to continued statehood through their ideological, military, and institutional leverage, even while committing accumulating violations that would erode their own ICRCS if the same standards were applied. A genuinely internationalized and rule‑bound ICRCS would therefore have to constrain not only “pariah” states but also the hegemons themselves, by embedding decisions about erosion, suspension, and restoration of state privileges in procedures and institutions that reduce unilateral control and expose double standards to systematic challenge.

Absent ICRCS, any “right to exist” claim devolves into a demand for rogue sovereignty: the insistence on enjoying the fruits of the international legal order while rejecting the constraints that make that order possible.

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u/Defiant-Internal555 — 2 days ago
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Earlier this year, Trump said the International Criminal Court's actions against America and Israel were “illegitimate and baseless.” How should Americans think about the ICC’s authority over American citizens accused of crimes abroad?

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u/Silverdashmax — 4 days ago

i need advice

I have no idea if it's worth it for me to study international law. I have basically two options - stay in my country in Eastern Europe and finish civil law, get application and maybe then study and do something connected to international law (so i have a back up plan). Another option is to go to the Netherlands to study international law.

I feel more excited about international law and I dream of working at the UN and in human rights protection, but I have read so many reddit posts about international law and how hard it is to get a job after, that i dont know what to do. Moreover, I already got into international law at Groningen in the Netherlands and like 80-85% of fellow international law students have grown up in like 4 different countries, have incredibly rich parents, plenty of experience and know like 3-4 languages. I don't know what to do.

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u/IndividualName8410 — 5 days ago

What is the purpose of the European council within the context of the overall EU system ?

The treaties define it has having the power to set non binding strategic agenda of the European union as a whole as well as providing suggestions for crisis and disputes between member states.

But what is the significance of this given than the comission , parliament and the other council already have legislative powers ? Why are their work programmes almost always based on the council strategic agenda ?

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u/WeirdTheory5675 — 6 days ago

What are the realities/likelihood of working in international law?

I'm in Toronto, Canada, 36 years old. I've been caregiving for my mother for the majority of the last decade. A lot of my time that I talk with her now is spent reminiscing, as she remembers very little of the last 30 years due to dementia.

I've been considering law school for a while now, admittedly spurned on by her reminiscing on her law career working in human rights. One of my big interests since I was a teenage was human rights in Sudan, becoming politically aware during Darfur in the mid-00s. I've begun wondering about the realities of working in international law coming from a Canadian school. A lot of preliminary research I've done makes it seem exceedingly difficult, even not doing ICC/UN stuff. Almost every lawyer I've seen involved in it seems to be from an Ivy League or Oxbridge school, or done law school in the country/area itself (i.e. North Africa, Middle East).

Is it, for all intents and purposes, impossible? Have you known anyone who's done it? What would be necessary to work in the field?

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u/Minute-Opening-3303 — 10 days ago

How much would a "I was just playing a character" defense hold up against incitement to genocide indictment?

Since incitement to genocide (and charges relating to speech) requires intentionality, if a defendant in the Hague makes the argument along the lines of, "I was only acting as an edgy character. This was all for profit. I never intended for people to be killed", would this defense hold or not?

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u/Highrebublic_legend — 10 days ago

Best international law programmes to aim for in my case?

Basically the title. I’ve started doing some research but I would like to have some other opinions as well.

Some background about me: I have a bachelors in international relations, I graduated last year and have some work experience in an Embassy and UNICEF. Now I’m 23, and currently finishing my masters at a very good European university, which is also international relations related - however I would like to break into international law. I have two main concerns: the first is that I do not have any legal experience, and the second concern is that most LLMs want you to at least have a bachelors in law, which I do not have. I know that I can go for a JD without having a bachelors in law, but I’m just curious if there are any good year long programmes that can help me get my foot in the door.

What are some excellent/premier/well connected international law programmes - preferably in Europe or the US (but mostly Europe)?

Your thoughts/advice are appreciated.

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u/kayyyyxxx — 10 days ago

What is humanitarianism outside of international humanitarian law ?

Un charter article 1 talks about international cooperation in solving international "economic , social , cultural and *humanitarian* problems

But what does it mean ? Does it share it's definition with IHL which applies during wartime or is it a broader concept since disaster relief is also a humanitarian activity.

The Covenant of the League of Nations contained a specific provision on the Red Cross in Article 25.

> "The Members of the League agree to encourage and promote the establishment and co-operation of duly authorised voluntary national Red Cross organisations having as purposes the improvement of health, the prevention of disease and the mitigation of suffering throughout the world."

This seems to be the only time a broader concept of humanitarianism was included in international law. Is this concept also shared in article 1(3) of the charter ?

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u/WeirdTheory5675 — 12 days ago