r/justiceforzeal

Any ambitions she has of fame, of being a vtuber, or having her own fandom? That’s long since sailed and burnt down. People know the truth, there’s tons of documents out there, there’s two interviews, there’s Gianni’s actions, and there’s the unhinged posts of her cult. Ren can try to make a comeback, but any plans for fame? She’ll never reach them, and if she tries vtubing? Well guess what:She’ll probably get A LOT of backlash and comments reminding her of what she did. In addition, I’m pretty sure other Vtubers don’t want her around?

As the title says, don’t act like Zeal has done anything wrong here. Yeah, at the end of it all, Zeal was innocent, but at some point his behavior had to be called out, even if it was through her interpretation of the events. Hell, even Zeal apologized about how he treated the situation. He apologized for his poor communication, blurring the boundaries, raising his voice at her, not being empathetic enough, and not handling the situation perfectly.

To quote what he said: “I recognize that I have not handled every part of this situation perfectly. I raised my voice at Ren... I could have communicated more clearly... I allowed boundaries to blur... For that, I am terribly sorry.”

Was the aftermath handled well? No. Everyone else just decided to leave him, including Gianni.

I get it, everyone else has different reactions to certain situations, and Zeal needed to take accountability at one point or another.

This doesn’t mean I can not be angry at Ren. Yes, she ruined her ex’s life, but here’s the thing that I can mention time and time again

She didn’t want Zeal to die. She just wanted him to take accountability. And Zeal did take accountability. He admitted that he was sorry for not handling the situation properly. But Ren altered the events in what she believed happened to her that it was basically damaging Zeal’s image. This does make both of them look bad, and it makes Ren look worse than Zeal, but regardless, I think Zeal needed this regardless of what people think. Because now he’s a better person and has grown to evolve.

Same with Ren. Ren has realized that being on the internet isn’t worth it anymore and has decided to leave social media. Of course, she comes back once in a blue moon, but then people would just constantly remind her of what she did

Which…seriously, guys? The damage has already been done, both of them have moved on, it’s time to let this go. Seriously.

Just because Zeal apologized doesn’t mean that everyone else has to apologize.

Wanna know why?

Because they all did what they thought was right at the time. Ren felt that she made the document because she wanted people to be aware of Zeal’s behavior. Gianni abandoned ship and sided with Ren because that’s what he felt was right at the time.

And yet, some of the community are acting like they’re pressuring them to change their minds.

You can be disappointed all you want, but you’re never going to change their minds, even after the situation has been cleared up.

That’s just the truth and the reality of the situation. When people think what they did was right, it’s pretty hard to convince them that they were in the wrong. Who knows? Maybe both Ren and Gianni did regret what they did, but that doesn’t mean that they’re going to change like that. You can’t expect change to happen immediately. Gianni might have been wrong and admitted it, but it won’t change his mind. And you can’t force him to change his mind.

You can be disappointed in him, but don’t act surprised when other people still keep him around in VA roles such as Gabriel from Ultrakill or Breadhead from Gaslight District

Because that implies that the community thinks that Gianni did something royally fucked up. Which in all reality, he didn’t.

He’s not going to get fired simply because of this. You may try, but it just isn’t going to work.

Can we agree that the regretevator mods/devs are absolute cowards and control freak/power trippers?

They will literally kick or ban you for something they dislike, something that happened YEARS ago, or ban you for no reason other than their poor egos get a tiny bruise. In addition, I doubt any of them have read the documents or listened to any of the interviews showing Zeal is innocent. Even so much as MENTIONING pressure gets you a warning or a ban!

I have been keeping some dumb feelings in for a bit and I think now is about time to let them out

I feel like we have completely lost the plot. It's like there is this very confusing inability for some people to grasp the genuine seriousness of everything that happened recently. The current consensus is that the situation has concluded and everyone can wrap their things up and move on like nothing happened.

But the thing is that something did happen.

I keep coming across familiar names, and it is very, very difficult to hear these names without remembering everything. Gianni especially comes to mind, although he is not the only one.

Just a couple of months ago, which would only be about 4 months ago, I saw horrible shit being said about a guy, without people having even bothered to wait to hear his side of the story yet. I saw what felt like performativity, and I saw anger being prematurely hurled at a guy whom already had a label slapped on him before the full context of the situation had been realized. All to the detriment of real victims, prioritizing doing "the right thing" as soon as possible - to which I wonder, what really is "the right thing" now?

I had read the document and stared at the pages of animal pictures being recontextualized as something evil, and I had felt a deep confusion. I don't know what other people saw then and there, that made them feel like they didn't need to wait for more context to this story before lashing out.

I saw the shit that Gianni decided to do, the reactionary statement and the ones that followed. I pointed out the website he put up, and had people distrust me when I tried to provide evidence of its existence when it still existed. I saw someone, who people relied on for their interpretation of this very convoluted situation, believe in and perpetuate a very deeply flawed story. I saw him share it with so many, before waiting for anything. He was the one who messaged the other voice actors on the team if I recall correctly. He listened to a man crying for hours, and still did the things that he did.

I can't just forget it, but now people act like that's what we're supposed to do. Forget it and move on, it's over. I can't forget it, this situation struck me so hard because what happened was truly awful.

I'm being very unstructured, but I have come to realize that I do not even want to hear apologies, I do not want attempts at accountability. I had that interaction with SharkyLeo on Twitter where he got mad at me for my documentation of his behavior. I had missed his apology, but after that I no longer care of it. These people are better off removing themselves from websites such as Twitter.

Everything that people said and did, I feel like would've been better off never having been done in the first place. No amount of apologies can take back what they have caused a man and his family, the scale of the damage which they created without a care in the world. I cannot assess the authenticity of any apology, but I can observe the response that I received at my reasonable anger.

I received not an ounce of understanding, but deflection, and the attention redirected once more to somebody's career or livelihood. What about Gianni's career. What about this developer teams reputation. What about this persons subscribers. Nothing about a guys life.

I feel like I'm going insane, and I think I might be done with it.

Let’s be honest, none of her family even know this drama even happened because she lied about everything. And in addition, where is her “white knight” of a brother coming to her defense like how he told Zeal he should’ve died? Other than that post, he hasn’t appeared since. So, does she even HAVE a brother, does he even exist? Or that whole time it was some fanatic claiming to be him? Does her family know or are they all kept in the dark because she didn’t want to admit she lied?

Don’t get me wrong, I love his work and all, but re-uploading a suicide video, telling Zeal’s mom to go fuck herself for asking him to take it down, MAKING FUN OF SAID SUICIDE VIDEO ON LIVE STREAM, calling Zeal out WHILE he was already in a bad place, and now he’s acting like he did nothing wrong? He’s starting to make Arty(Painter’s former VA who threw a childish tantrum while zeal was hospitalized) look preferable.