r/mongolia

I might get crucified for this take but i think it's worth a conversation i am a big fan our history i think it is rich and fascinating and i think the complex nature of it gets lost on an unhealthy amount of nationalism. Like any empire the Mongol empire was built on the corpse and domination of other people, it deserved to crumble and fall apart like any other empire im not saying we should be ashamed of our history more just see it for what it is. I see a lot of rhetoric where it's like we were just defending ourselves so we defended ourselves across asia and europe that's not how it works it's just greed and that's fine it was 800 years ago, im not saying it was all bad im sure many people will point the positive upsides of the empire pax mongolica, silk road and such doesn't really balance out the human suffering tho and i see a lot of people and some influencers trying to pander probably talking abt how we could do no wrong and the enemies of the mongol empire was evil and got it coming, again i can't preface this enough im not saying be ashamed of your history but we should try to see it from an objective lense not the glorification and bias of it, we talk abt how the manjiin darlal was like the worst thing to happen to anybody and it's horrible but we did that to a lot of people too.

Mine would probably be either Abo candy or Khaan chips (OG one).

Seriously, when do you get to live if you are working for 9 hours and commuting for 3 hours a day?

What would you do during the couple hours of free time you get?

Patriarchy sucks.

The worst part is that it’s so deeply rooted in our lives that we often don’t even notice it. Ima tell you story. My cousin has been staying at our house for a few days. One day, my mom and I came home from work, and he had washed the dishes and done his own laundry. My mom immediately praised him for “doing so much around the house.” Ironically almost every single day when my mom comes home from work I cook, I clean, I do the chores. Basically, I f-in do almost everything around the house. Yet I’ve never been praised the way he was. Why? Because when a man does a little house work and does his OWN laundry it seems like helping. But when a woman does the exact same things even more than that, it’s just expected. It’s considered her responsibility. It made us believe that we’re supposed to be in the kitchen, supposed to clean, supposed to take care of everyone else. But I don’t. I belong where I want to be. My whole life I’ve tried to become the perfect daughter, the good friend, the good student, the “good girl.” But the older I get, the more I realize that being a “good girl” often just means making yourself smaller so everyone else can be comfortable. We’re constantly told how to be a good wife, a good mother, a good daughter. But no one asks if we’re happy. It’s always about serving others. I wasn’t born just to serve other people. I was born to live my own life and to be happy on my own terms. The more I learn, the more I realize about how real world works and how it sucks. So that is why I am choosing to be a loud, angry feminist from now on.

I need to get this off my chest because it's been bothering me for years, and the recent Jaadugar anime pushed me over the edge.

I watched the newly released 2 episodes just yesterday and kinda got hooked because it IS historically accurate on the surface. So i decided to check out the manga (spoilers ahead) and it was the most ahistorical nonsense ever. This series is getting praised for doing it's research on Mongol and Persian cultures and representing them accurately but it's literally the same "We extensively researched your history so we could paint you as the villian more accurately" just like the other mainstream depictions of Mongols.

The Pattern:

Every time a Mongol queen appears in foreign media, she's either:

1. A tragic victim forced into marriage

2. A secret saboteur who hates the empire

3. A scheming villainess

4. Or, the most insulting one, someone who secretly wants to bring down the empire from within

Let's look at the examples:

· Empress Ki (2014 K-drama): A Korean concubine who supposedly becomes a Mongol queen and... what? She's framed as sympathetic only when she's opposing the Mongol court. The actual Empress Ki (Öljei Khutugh) was a real Mongol queen, not some Korean national hero secretly undermining the empire. But apparently, we can't have a Mongol queen who's just... a Mongol queen.

· Jaadugar: A Witch in Mongolia (recent anime): This one is even worse. They literally take Töregene Khatun, who RULED THE EMPIRE FOR FIVE YEARS as regent then turns her into a secret saboteur who needs a Persian slave's help to "bring in the storm." The storm. What storm? She was the storm. She was a queen regent who deposed ministers, executed rivals, and controlled the succession. She didn't need a slave's wisdom, she was one of the most powerful women in Eurasia of that time period.

What These Stories Get Wrong CONSISTENTLY:

1. Mongol Queens Weren't Victims

· Töregene ruled for 5 years as regent

· Sorghaghtani Beki managed territories so well she became incredibly wealthy and respected

· Mandukhai Khatun literally fought battles while pregnant to reunify the nation

· Khulan was Genghis Khan's second most important wife, head of her own court

These women didn't need to be "saved." They didn't need to be "empowered." They already had power.

2. Mongol Marriages Were Political, Not Just Random "Snatching"

· Khans married for alliances, resources, and legitimacy. NOT because they "snatched" pretty women

· Royal marriages were strategic, not personal

· The "you killed my people and made me your queen" plot is historically nonsensical

Why would a khan elevate a mortal enemy to queen? He wouldn't. It's politically suicidal.

3. Mongol Women Had MORE Rights Than "Civilized" Societies

· Could own property

· Could initiate divorce

· Could ride horseback and fight

· Could serve as regents and political decision-makers

· Could lead armies

Meanwhile, the so called "civilized" societies:

· Chinese women: foot-binding, no property rights

· Korean women: no inheritance, no remarriage

· Japanese women: legal minors, no political power

So why are we the ones being portrayed as barbaric oppressors?

4. Sons Were a Queen's Lifeline

· Töregene's son Güyük became Great Khan BECAUSE of her political maneuvering

· Her power depended on the empire's stability

· Why would she destroy the system that guaranteed her children's future?

The manga literally can't mention her son without contradicting its entire premise.

Why Does This Keep Happening?

1. It's the "Otherness"

The Mongols are foreign enough that creators can project whatever they want onto us. We're the convenient "barbarian" backdrop for their "empowering" revenge fantasies.

2. It's Projection

Japanese and Korean creators use our history to safely critique their own patriarchal systems without offending their cultural ancestors. They can't write about their own "women fighting the system," so they use ours as a punching bag.

3. It's Lazy Writing

It's easier to write "victim queen secretly hates empire" than "powerful queen masterfully navigates complex political system."

4. It's Western Orientalism Recycled

The "Mongols are savage barbarians" stereotype is a Western invention and East Asian creators are happily recycling it.

5. It's Double Standards

· Western arranged marriages = "Diplomacy, statecraft, duty"

· Mongol arranged marriages = "Barbaric snatching, the wives are victims"

The series that claim to "empower" women:

1. Take the most powerful women in Mongol history

2. Strip them of their agency

3. Turn them into victims or saboteurs

4. Make them sidekicks in their own stories

5. Erase their actual legacy

It's funny because the manga's depiction of Töregene is essentially: "I need a Persian slave to give me strength so we can 'bring in the storm and destroy the evil empire'

It's genuinely insulting.

What Can We Do?

1. Don't Review Bomb

It backfires. Instead, write thoughtful, historically informed reviews that explain why these portrayals are wrong.

2. Share the Real History

The more people know about actual Mongol queens, the harder it is to erase them.

3. Call Out the Double Standard

When you see a European or East Asian queen portrayed as a powerful ruler, and a Mongol queen portrayed as a victim or schemer, point it out.

4. Support Mongolian Creators

We need to tell our own stories. No one else will do it justice.

5. Engage with Critical Reviews

When you see a good critique of these series, upvote it, share it, engage with it. Build the conversation.

Thoughts:

I'm tired of seeing our history turned into a backdrop for other people's fantasies.

These women didn't need to be "saved." They didn't need to be "empowered." They already had power. They already ruled. They already built.

Stop erasing our history. Stop projecting your own struggles onto us. Stop using us as your convenient "barbarian" backdrop.

Is drugs uncommon in mongolia? If its uncommon then how do some people living in mongolia get it ? This has been in my mind for 2 months goddamit!

Hi redditors, I was wondering if there are any peptide users in mongolia. If so where do u usually buy them that’s reliable. Also is there a mongolian community where people discuss peptides, share their experiences and help each other out?

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Hello, I've went through 5 CUs/GS25 to buy U money card. But they refused to top it up. I tried HiPay app, added my U money card but it doesn't accept my Kazakh Mastercard. How does one top up this transport card as a tourist to ride the buses in the city?

Hey everyone,

I’m currently in Ulaanbaatar and have run into a frustrating issue: my Wise Visa card isn't working at any of the ATMs I've tried. I did some research before leaving, and everything suggested it should be widely accepted, but I’ve had zero luck so far.

For context, the card has worked perfectly in every other country I’ve visited, so I’m a bit caught off guard.

Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a specific bank or ATM network in UB that is more reliable for foreign cards, or is there a trick to getting them to accept a Wise card?

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I literally live next to the ASA circus. Ever since the FIFA started, I couldn't sleep due to the noise coming from the camp which broadcasts the matches. Whole neighborhood collected signature to boycott the camp but nothing has changed. Who the fuck gives them the right to build that shit?

I understand the people having fun but can ya all stfu. Whenever there is a goal, a fuckin baby wakes up and it goes ape shit.

https://preview.redd.it/oyfak43fnjbh1.png?width=2560&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b793fdd87d2678b051c9d957ebe5dbc4d988799

Beautifully animated, great soundtrack,

altho, i had a small problem with how they were speaking Mongolian, but i'm not enough of a historical buff to know that's how they spoke in 13th century.

EyesCool and Lil Thug E are the ones that come to mind (in their music videos I see people comment RIP). I think I have come across a few but I can't remember their names. These artists were pretty young so it is definitely not from old age.