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How important are "catchy" tunes?

Been listneing to a lot of musical demos from new composers and one thing I've seemed to notice is that the songs seem to lack an "ear worm" componenet.

They are nice, and melodic, but the songs don't seem to go anywhere or have a discreet beginning, middle and end or a hook that sticks in my head. They all seem very patter-like.

Which gets me wonderign if mine are too "song like" in their structure, being self-contained with hooks to stick in your head. Makes me worry I really wrote a concept album not a musical.

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u/jomamma2 — 1 day ago
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IN DEVELOPMENT: Spongebob Squarepants the Musical: In Roblox!

Hello Reddit SpongeBob Musical Fans!

I’m interested in making a production of The SpongeBob Musical: In Roblox!

The idea is still very new, and the project is currently in development. Nothing has been officially confirmed yet, and I’m mainly making this post to see how much interest there is from SpongeBob and musical theatre fans.

If there’s enough interest, I’d love to eventually bring the musical to life in Roblox with a cast, sets, scenes, and performances inspired by the actual production.

So, would you be interested?

I’d especially like to hear from people who are fans of The SpongeBob Musical and/or theatre and would actually want to participate in or watch a Roblox production.

At the moment, I’m just gauging interest before moving further with the project.

If this is something you’d want to see, let me know what you think!

GOOGLE DOCUMENT FOR DETAILED INFORMATION AND CASTING PROCESS:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19HM_fqjQJNsXGR5zPp_Gj0gIat0Ht5g6UtI4yhoCu_0/edit?tab=t.itut40ngtlt1

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My one big 'What If' of what an ideal 'Here We Are' would have looked like.

I normally find endless speculation on hypotheticals that will never occurr quite tiering and useless, and this is in some form no different, but I still can't stop thinking about it.

Disclamer: I am taking the interview with David Ives and Joe Mantello as a base-line. While there is the possibility of them both portraying themselves in the best light, I do think that they were trying to recount the history of the show's development as accurately as possible and I am inclined to believe them in most if not all that they have said in that interview.

I do think the show works the way it is now, but it was not the ideal show the creators had envisioned for the longest time during its development and it is my believe that the show would have been much stronger with songs on the qualitative level of the first act. Songs could have given the core characters the emotional depth of their personal revalations that Ives' script was not able to fully realise in my opinion. The pivot to the version we have now was a last-ditch effort to save a show motivated by Joe Mentello and was basically the best version to ever realistically be finished and put on the stage.

The big things that seemed to have led to Sondheim slowing down and getting stuck at the moment of the character's entrapment are (in no particular order as I cannot in good conscious weigh the importance of these factors against each other):

Reasons for the general slowness of his progress:
-his age (of course) and the natural health complications,
-his famous procrastination,
-his perfectionism and fears of living to up the expectations of the sondheim legend,
-his collaborator David Ives not being able to set meaningful deadlines for him,

Reasons for the complete standstill of progress, stopping after Mariannes bear encounter:
-his need for a change in the feel and style of the score from that critical and pivotal narrative point on,
-COVID, which made the very dark situation of the trapped characters in a room all to real for the quaranteened composer, turning him off of working on the show as a whole and focusing his attention back to All Together Now for almost a year before being presented with Joe's idea in May of '21.

Now let's imagine an ideal scenario with sondheim 10 or 20 years younger, with more strength, without COVID, with Ives being a bit more willing to push Sondheim when needed like for example Hal or Lapine was able to, how do you think the part of the show that is now song-less should/could have been musicalised?
During all the time of them working on the show and Davids script basically done until the rewrites of '21, there must have been thrown around and thought about many song ideas for the second act (like in any production history of a musical). Where do you think would songs have been placed and what would they have focused on, how would sondheim have approached the last scenes musically, what form would the content have dictated?

The reason why this does not feel like another meaningless hypothetical to me is because I am someone very interested in how musicals are written (specifically by sondheim) and I am a musician/composer myself that is next to my main field of study/work (Jazz) at least intellectually interested in writing musicals. Unfinished works are endlessly fascinating and even seductive in such a situation. You have everything set already. It's like one of the puzzles that sondheim loved so much. It is daunting trying to start writing or conceptualising a whole new musical, but continuing an unfinished project is something else entirely. This post may fit equally well into r/musicalwriting for that reason.

Like all works of music left partially unfinished because of the death of the creator, be it Mozart's requiem or Bach's unfinished fugue; at some point people will seriously try to finish the masters work. It requires an enormous ego to think that one could concur the mountain that the Giants were not able to climb. Which may be why these attempts often reveal more of the completionists own interpretation and feelings towards the original work and creator rather than the original work.

Nevertheless I can't wait to hear what people will come up with in the future.
I cannot imagine myself ever seriously commiting to writing or composing anything related to the second act of Here We Are, but that does not stop one from dreaming of what could be/could have been. I may too, like sondheim at the end of his life, be more interested in thinking and talking about writing a musical, than actually writing it.

I am sorry it is 2 am and I need to sleep. If you think this is a stupid and unproductive thing to think about, that's fine, I just needed to write this down and share it with people and maybe discuss some ideas.

u/Silver_Lord_10 — 2 days ago

anybody heard from BMI yet?

I haven’t. This is my first year applying (I applied as a lyricist) but some googling about past years led me to believe that they often send out emails past the day that they said they would. they send out formal rejection emails right?

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u/ninjaboy7-11 — 3 days ago

Why does musical theatre always put a safety net on surrealism?

Stating the obvious first. Of course the medium of musical theater is surreal in nature. I've never burst out into song because I started crying. Yet it feels like most book musicals keep that surrealism to isolated incidents. It’s a dream ballet, an isolated hallucination, or a neat psychological metaphor that tidies itself up in time for the eleven o'clock number.

Outside of a few brilliant downtown/experimental outliers (like A Strange Loop, Mr. Burns, or Dave Malloy's work), the form rarely commits to the structural madness of Charlie Kaufman (Synecdoche, New York, Adaptation) or the Daniels (EEAAO). In those worlds, the premise isn't a gimmick (like in If/Then which I hate but that's a whole other post), the surrealism is baked into the engine of the show itself. Which ultimately gives it the feel of it breaking the narrative/structure, and the fourth wall.

I'm currently writing a musical exploring ancestral memory and severe isolation that tries to ditch the traditional safety net entirely (letting recursive loops, hallucinations, and temporal collapses genuinely dictate the world of the show rather than resolving into a tidy musical structure).

For writers and avid theatregoers:

  1. Why do you think book musicals are so resistant to unhinged, non-resolving psychological surrealism? Is it purely a commercial/development pipeline issue, or is there something about musical structure that inherently resists that kind of dread and collapse?

  2. What pieces come closest to pulling this off for you, and where do they usually draw the line?

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u/whyoudothislol — 4 days ago
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NEW ORIGINAL MUSICAL: A Soldier's Naive Heart

Hello! My name is Leonardo Campos, and along side Marcelo Cantu, we wrote, composed, and developed this idea for over 2 years. Finally, when we got the opportunity, we decided to direct, produce and finance it in only 1 month. This is the result:

We are proud to present a PROSHOT of what was performed on May 29th at our High School.

ACT 1 of A SOLDIER'S NAIVE HEART: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp4TCnsZL1g&t=2s

The show is still in development (currently mixing a CAST ALBUM and writing ACT 2), but we’re continuing build it with Broadway as the destination.

This is where the road begins. Let me know what you think!

u/leocamposv — 7 days ago
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August Masterclass - Heath Saunders

Join Heath Sauders on August 29 at 3 pm (EST) as they present on Diversity Dramaturgy - an exploration of how writing to the bodies you intend to cast affects the writing of the show, and the positives and pitfalls of writing specifically to identity markers.

Check out Heath's website for more information about their work.

https://www.thesaunderscollective.com/heath-saunders

I'm very excited for this subject, as I think it's an important one to consider as we write new works for the stage in 2026 and beyond.

If you're interested, comment or shoot me a DM, and I'll post the group link.

u/Forward_Meet7864 — 6 days ago
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LA-based composers! Join us for Composer-Librettist "Speed Dating"

Searching for your creative soulmate? They could be waiting for you at Composer-Librettist "Speed Dating" on Saturday August 22nd at 5pm! 

Join us for the 2nd Annual Composer‑Librettist "Speed Dating" Event at First Unitarian Church LA (2936 W 8th St), presented by Overtone Industries in collaboration with Synchromy Music and Rent Poet. 

This event pairs artists who want to tell bold, contemporary stories through opera—and if that's you, you'll want to snag your ticket before we run out of space. 

What to expect:

> In a series of timed conversations, you’ll explore new collaborations with like-minded composers and librettists.

> You'll also have the opportunity to enjoy performances from Kion Heidari, Rae Shrum, Hsin-Hua Wang, and Ianthe Marini performing works from TIME IS THE ENEMY by Samara Rice and Brian Sonia-Wallace and HYSTERIA by Molly Pease and Divya Maus, both previous productions of Original Vision.

> Afterwards, we'll host a short reception for more mixing, mingling, snacking, and connection!

Don't miss it! Register to join a room full of opera-makers ready to build the next wave of original opera‑theater...

u/Ok-Raise-3492 — 7 days ago
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Organizing a Discord Table Read of "Five Against One"

Five Against One tells the story Catherine Burbank as she seeks escape for her family from an abusive marriage of 15 years, but escape is never the safest plan. Inspired and powered by the music of the Grunge era, this play takes an unflinching and sobering look at domestic violence and its consequences.

One reader of an earlier draft characterized it as "This would be what we'd have got if Tennessee Williams ever wrote a musical."

As you might infer from the title, there are 6 characters - 4 women and two men. While I've been working on this play for over 20 years, this year I joined a writer's cohort within the ShowLAB Theatre Writers Studio. Since late February the play has completely transformed, and while I've conducted readings of the whole work multiple times, it is overdue for a complete end to end reading (the cohort has read individual scenes within it).

There's a discord attached to this subreddit, so I figure that would be as good a place as any to host a reading, although I'm open to suggestions to other platforms.

I do NOT want to do a cold read - the play's topic is domestic violence. While I would like an audience of those interested, the readers need to have read the play through at least once so that they know what to expect and can be prepared. I don't necessarily need the readers to have rehearsed ahead of time.

The script is 133 pages so should take just over 2 hours to read. (Act I is 70 pages, Act II is 63. It is formatted identically to the Ragtime Musical script for reference, with a 2nd act a pinch longer than Ragtime's).

I'll probably cross post this in a few spots, but this is the origin thread and will be used for the actual organization of the read. I'm thinking of a weekend date since I work a 9 to 5 job.

Characters

Catherine Burbank, age 36, a housewife (alto): A woman with a troubled past of child abuse, drug addiction, and a stint in the porn industry.

Pamela Burbank, age 14, her daughter (soprano): A high functioning autistic child coming of age in one of the worst environments possible.

Jeremy Burbank, age 16, her son (tenor): A little slow but with a good heart, he's devoted to the protection of his family but lacks the means to do so effectively.

Susan Martin, age 70, her mother (contralto): A catholic zealot who uses the scripture to justify her hatreds. She abused Catherine as a child physically, and continues to do so verbally even though she's an adult.

Lisa Allen, age 15, her neighbor (coloratura soprano): Lisa's father, now deceased, was deeply in love with Catherine and wanted her to divorce Jake. Her mother died when she was two, so Catherine has been the closest thing she has to a mother for most of her life.

Jake Burbank, age 40, her husband (bass): Pillar of the community, one of the highest ranking unelected police officers in the city. His public character is unreproachable. But privately...

EDIT: BTW, Catherine, Susan, Pamela and Jeremy are of Cajun descent and all can speak this dialect of French. There are French phrases scattered throughout the play, mostly terms of endearment. Susan has the most French lines. Preparing for this is another reason I'd rather not cold read this - I don't want to put someone on the spot to muddle through a phrase in a language they don't know.

u/Positive-Ring-5172 — 8 days ago

Advice on creating a Musical

I'm working on a story that could be fit to be a musical. I have the lore, characters and story all planned, but I have one problem...I have no idea how to write musical songs. I took music composition courses on school and I've wrote a few songs before, but when I tried writing a song for an actual musical, the lyrics was just too literal. I already know how I want the songs to be like on my mind, so I would like some guidance on musical songwriting or should I probably team up with a professional or just literally any piece of advice related to the topic, please?

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u/Loud-Leadership-9648 — 8 days ago

I really want an arrangement for an audition but there's so arrangements ANYWHERE. Will someone help me??

*no arrangements lol

So I'm trying to get ready for an audition in about a month and I wanted to sing What More Is Out There from mlp: friendship games (I know what a mature choice). Well I looked and looked for arrangements online for this song but there is literally nothing, it's like lost media. The only two on the internet are on MuseScore, one is a directors cut version that isn't in the final movie, and the other is literally perfect but it's unfinished and hasn't been edited in 3 years. I messaged the person who made it on MuseScore and said I would PAY them to finish but they never got back to me. Anyway, I've decided to come here so if anyone on reddit can make like theater arrangements of songs I would pay someone to make an arrangement of that song bc it's literally perfect for the show I'm auditioning for. Maybe doing it over MuseScore would be easier but whatever works. Okay thank you talented people, I wish I could do it myself but I just started reading treble a year ago. Please someone help🙏🙏

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u/Not_Lyric — 7 days ago

Composer looking for lyricist / book writer (Atlanta area preferred, not required)

I'm in my late 40s, and it feels like now or never. Looking to collaborate with a fellow writing lyrics to the drawer lyricist / book writer, topics and themes are open ended. I have some songs that can build a foundation, but would benefit from a better storyteller.

Background - had some success in my 20s (had a single in a local radio, got some interest from musicians to collaborate, but mostly left in the drawer). I play the guitar, piano, drums, some experience with Dorico, can write arrangements (but will also need an orchestrator eventually)

I have some relatives that are involved in the broadway scene (from investment / production side of things) so if we produce something good I can get it at least heard, but my goal is to produce something for local theaters, indie productions, and more the experience of creating a musical where AI generated (music, videos, software) is starting to take over everything.

Favorite musicals

- Avenue q
- Sweeney Todd
- Hadestown
- Maybe Happy Ending
- Gypsy
- Funny Girl
- The Producers
- Hamilton

This is a long term project, part time, no financial or time commitment... DM me if interested...

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u/EggplantFunTime — 9 days ago

15 minute musical ideas

Hello all,

I've just finished a first draft of a 15 minute fantasy musical and i am really happy with my self for getting there. I'm leaving it a couple of weeks before going over it again but in the meanwhile i'd like to write another.

I get that i really just need one setting with a couple of characters. My first one is set on an airship being passed down father to son and i'm trying to think of some other interesting settings. maybe something Sci-fi but i wouldn't want to replace a magic airship with a spaceship.

These are for short animations in blender rather than on stage.

GIVE ME THOUGHTS

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u/OllieLearnsCode — 11 days ago

Underground - The Musical (Looking for composer)

Hey! I’m writing an original musical called Underground, set in 1967 New York. It’s a crime/comedy/romance with gamblers, lawyers, cops, the criminal underground, fast ensemble numbers, and a lot of overlapping vocals and counterpoint.

I’m writing the book and lyrics, but I am absolutely not a composer, so I’m looking for someone who might want to collaborate on the music. I was originally going to compose myself when I realized I had zero idea what I was doing.

This is unpaid/a passion project right now — I’m not getting paid either, so we can all be broke together lol. I already have a good amount written, including scenes, lyrics, characters, and the overall story. I can send some of the script and song lyrics if anyone wants to see what the show is like.

If this sounds fun and you’d be interested in composing or collaborating, DM me!

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u/TinyBoiMinecraft — 13 days ago

Any Composers Willing to Collaborate?

Hi!

I’m 16M who is obsessed with musicals and history and I was wondering if there were any composers on here who are around the same age as I who would be willing to collaborate with me on some musical ideas I have.

It won’t be all of them as we’d try and find the best out of them all, but I was just searching for a composer who is interested in the same kind of thing as me.

One of the ideas I have in mind is about Robert Liston. I’d want to make it both historically accurate, and comedic at the same time. I believe that history is best taught when there is interaction and genuine interest being provided.

The musical would take place in one location during one evening/day… the day when the infamous 300% mortality rate story occurred (if it did).

I am very creative in writing, and I do love music and have composed before, but I’d much prefer someone who has the absolute skill to compose and is confident as I am not the greatest composer.

I’m also willing to discuss all my favourite music with you and listen to yours. As a gay person myself, I’d love to work with a similar person, but I’m primarily just scouting for someone who is expressive, loves composing, and is passionate about musicals.

I also would prefer it if you were confident in English as I, unfortunately, don’t speak any other languages (I wish I could). Sorry for any inconvenience.

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u/No_Breath1387 — 11 days ago
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SONGWRITER | GHOST WRITER HERE - LET ME HELP YOU!

Hello all! I've been ghostwriting and songwriting for 20 years. Looking for more clients and collaborators. No budget is too small. Starting rates = $10 and/or royalty splits. I am willing to work on a reasonable and fair arrangement that you're comfortable with in order to help you achieve your artistic, business, and personal goals. I strive to be an efficient and effective secret weapon for anyone that I work with.

P.S. One of my biggest clients/collaborators has just received an award for the work that we have created together over the past year. Let me help you achieve the same success, if not more!

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u/GhostWriterBeatMaker — 14 days ago